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There will always be failures and successes. That's why it's low risk high reward. I heard good things about Maguire from Hull City.
He was at least a proven winner with Leicester and a PL player. For him to function well, he needs pace alongside. You wouldn't sign 2 Steve Bruces or 2 Vidics. CBs need to complement each other. If Salisu has pace as well as defensive nous then why not? But it's always high risk.
 

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If anything here is that you are the one who missed the point. Professional experience isn't the point, it's only part of many negative point of signing the player. The point is about signing the right player. The poster made a good point when we have similar case about Bailly last time, a foreign player who is going to move to bigger league, different country & bigger club, a centre back with only little experienced in both professional & international and rely on pace a lot. May be stick with Bailly is a better idea here than signing the player.
I name dropped Salisu as one of the low risk high reward players. Literally gave him as an example. I used Maguire in Hull as an example of low risk high reward players too. Rodon is one, Ake is one too. Whether this is his break out season or not, the point is he falls under the categories of CBs that are low risk high reward just like Maguire. I really don't know how this is difficult to understand
 

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He was at least a proven winner with Leicester and a PL player. For him to function well, he needs pace alongside. You wouldn't sign 2 Steve Bruces or 2 Vidics. CBs need to complement each other. If Salisu has pace as well as defensive nous then why not? But it's always high risk.
Maguire won nothing at Leicester, they were a midtable team during his time there.
 

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I name dropped Salisu as one of the low risk high reward players. Literally gave him as an example. I used Maguire in Hull as an example of low risk high reward players too. Rodon is one, Ake is one too. Whether this is his break out season or not, the point is he falls under the categories of CBs that are low risk high reward just like Maguire. I really don't know how this is difficult to understand
Just because a player is cheap doesn't mean we can throw money. Rodon, Ake & Maguire at Hull are not just some cheap player. It's better to let Salisu having another full one or two seasons before the club can just throw the money, a 21 years old centre back who only has 1 fully season professional football career, not convincing yet.
 

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You take every post too literally and never understand the point because of that. I'm comparing a player who showed potential and was available for cheap to another player like that. We wanted to buy a 16 year old for 20m + that has one season in the championship aand his highest international level is England U17 as his professional experience. We wanted to buy him because he is low risk high reward. Sancho went to Dortmund for 8m from City's youth academy. We got Hannibal for 9m. We did the same for Dalot. All were gotten because it was low risk high reward. But I bet you are going to come up with a reason why I should not compare a club getting Salisu for 8m to those players above
I don't know how else people are supposed to take a post when you've written it. You brought up Salisu and Maguire, others are simply commenting on the point you were implying that Maguire was a 'risky' buy.
 

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He was at least a proven winner with Leicester and a PL player. For him to function well, he needs pace alongside. You wouldn't sign 2 Steve Bruces or 2 Vidics. CBs need to complement each other. If Salisu has pace as well as defensive nous then why not? But it's always high risk.
I know it's an aside but I would sign ten Vidic's if I could.
 

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He was at least a proven winner with Leicester and a PL player. For him to function well, he needs pace alongside. You wouldn't sign 2 Steve Bruces or 2 Vidics. CBs need to complement each other. If Salisu has pace as well as defensive nous then why not? But it's always high risk.
When? They were crap whilst he was there, especially defensively
 

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Just because a player is cheap doesn't mean we can throw money. Rodon, Ake & Maguire at Hull are not just some cheap player. It's better to let Salisu having another full one or two seasons before the club can just throw the money.
You don't get the point and you likely never will. So I agree with you. Salisu for 8m is a high risk. Ake and Rodon for 20m is low risk
 

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I don't know how else people are supposed to take a post when you've written it. You brought up Salisu and Maguire, others are simply commenting on the point you were implying that Maguire was a 'risky' buy.
I'm talking about Leceister buying Maguire from Hull city is low risk high reward and a club buying Salisu for 8m is also low risk high reward
 

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You don't get the point and you likely never will. So I agree with you. Salisu for 8m is a high risk. Ake and Rodon for 20m is low risk
You are the one who doesn't get the point. Think about how many negative points you can find on Salisu and compare them to Ake & Rodon.

Already 21 years old CB and only has 1 full season professional.
A foreign player who never play in England and the league.
Zero international game despite of no good defenders in Ghana National Team.
Nothing to suggest that this guy will be a top centre back in the future.

8m is still a big money to be just thrown away. Rather, wait another season or two to judge whether he has real potential or no. The point of signing centre back is to replace Bailly's spot and there is not enough evidence this guy can replace Bailly's spot.

8m, 20m, 30m is not the issue here. Spending 80m on Maguire is lower risk than spending 60m on Issa Diop last summer. It's better spend that extra 20m.
 

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I don't know about you but we currently have 12 clean sheets and conceded 6 in 17 games with our current back line. Asides from squad depth I personally don't see how Konate* or Upamecano can elevate us pass that level. I mean if you think a back line of Shaw Maguire Konate and AWB can win us the league then our current back line of Shaw Maguire Lindelof and AWB is also good enough to do the same
Man Utd 2 - 2 Southampton. And that's why we need a more capable defender than Lindelof.
 

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We don't have a single CB who could help us play a high line against quality opposition. Our backline is suited to playing a deep defensive line.

Feel free to disagree.
We lacked leadership on the pitch when Bruno and Pogba left the pitch today. Maguire failed to rally the troops today with his leadership and organization. Exactly, not a single CB who can help us play a high line, and when the pressing get's too much, we panic and make mistakes. The first Southampton goal was just frustrating because it was deja vu of the Fred mistake when Pereria feeds him the ball against Wolves. Why is Pogba coming all the way behind to get the ball from De Gea in the center of the pitch? We don't seem to learn from our mistakes. Also, De Gea could have foreseen the impending danger and could have held onto the ball or could have gone long. Michael Obafemi (5'7) beat Lindelof (6'2) to score the equalizer. How in the world can you justify that? Maguire at 80m was a complete ripoff no matter how you look at it. Organizing dinners off the pitch is not enough. You've got to be vocal on the pitch as well. I don't think Keane brought the team out for dinner and yet was a damn good leader on the pitch. We need better CBs. For those who whip out those 12 clean sheet stats in my face, we need to understand that our defense is average at best. And as SAF once said, attack may win you matches but defense wins you trophies. Pool fixed their defense with Van Dijk and Allison and won the league. City revamped their back 5 completely and won 2 league titles back to back. Also, City lost Kompany as well as Laporte to injury and essentially lost the title. I think the current defense only gets us top 4. Challenging for the league is a total different ball game.
 

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We lacked leadership on the pitch when Bruno and Pogba left the pitch today. Maguire failed to rally the troops today with his leadership and organization. Exactly, not a single CB who can help us play a high line, and when the pressing get's too much, we panic and make mistakes. The first Southampton goal was just frustrating because it was deja vu of the Fred mistake when Pereria feeds him the ball against Wolves. Why is Pogba coming all the way behind to get the ball from De Gea in the center of the pitch? We don't seem to learn from our mistakes. Also, De Gea could have foreseen the impending danger and could have held onto the ball or could have gone long. Michael Obafemi (5'7) beat Lindelof (6'2) to score the equalizer. How in the world can you justify that? Maguire at 80m was a complete ripoff no matter how you look at it. Organizing dinners off the pitch is not enough. You've got to be vocal on the pitch as well. I don't think Keane brought the team out for dinner and yet was a damn good leader on the pitch. We need better CBs. For those who whip out those 12 clean sheet stats in my face, we need to understand that our defense is average at best. And as SAF once said, attack may win you matches but defense wins you trophies. Pool fixed their defense with Van Dijk and Allison and won the league. City revamped their back 5 completely and won 2 league titles back to back. Also, City lost Kompany as well as Laporte to injury and essentially lost the title. I think the current defense only gets us top 4. Challenging for the league is a total different ball game.
We need to sign a CB with the correct attributes who will help us play a high defensive line and also has the ability to break the press whether that be via a pass or a surge forward. We also don't have a DM who is good enough IMO, especially against teams who are adept at pressing high.
 

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We need to sign a CB with the correct attributes who will help us play a high defensive line and also has the ability to break the press whether that be via a pass or a surge forward. We also don't have a DM who is good enough IMO, especially against teams who are adept at pressing high.
Also, De Gea's inability to pick a long pass is something Southampton would have realized. Since the restart, all of De Gea's passes have all been to Maguire or Lindelof who were probably about 12 yards away which prompted the press and which resulted in the Pogba mistake. We've got 7 CBs at the club and I'm sure we'll plan to sell them before we invest. Anyway, today's result was a wake-up call that was much needed.
 

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Man Utd 2 - 2 Southampton. And that's why we need a more capable defender than Lindelof.
Lindelof was better than Maguire in that game. I'm aware of our need for a CB but has to be a consistently good CB that is strong, fast, tall and doesn't have a mistake in them waiting to happen. I think we will be good with a faster, taller and stronger Lindelof if that makes sense
 
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I’m also a big fan of Ozan Kabak, who I think is as good as, if not better, than any young centre half about. Age wise, he sits in between Mengi and Tuanzebe though, and I’m not sure that’s the profile Ole would go for, unless he sold Axel.
On a side note, I do like the look of Ozan Kabak (from the youtube clips I've seen). He gets stuck in and seems to be pretty fast. Does anyone have an update on him? and how he would fit in with Maguire?
Ozan Kabak is a seriously solid CB!

I actually spotted him while watching a random Schalke game when they were on a good run and I had them in a parlay. He literally won me that game in the end just because of his ferocious defending to close the game out. :lol:

Then I obviously started YouTubing this guy and he’s good at pretty much everything, marking, getting stuck in, not afraid to get dirty and tackle (almost like a replica of Wan Bissaka). Last but not least, he’s mad quick! Tracks back real fast and makes sure he gets the last touch. He even reminds me of Vidic with his no f*cks given attitude when defending. He’ll probably dive head in if needed.

Also - this guy defies age. He’s already gotten 26 app for Schalke this season if I’m not wrong. He could be like a Joe Gomez who fits in with the team right away.

I’ve actually been watching out for transfer reports on this guy since the winter window because it’s only a matter of time before all the big clubs spot him or already have perhaps. I’d never want our players to play against him and I’m hoping we’ve also been lowkey watching him.

Him and Axel should be brought into the fold this summer and Jones/Rojo/Smalling and one of Bailly/Lindelof sold off as well as they’d generate a decent sum of money and we should definitely take that opportunity post-pandemic.

Edit: I forgot to answer your question about if he’d fit in with Maguire, there’s no one better!
 

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So is he really getting swapped?
 
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So is he really getting swapped?
Italian sources suggesting he could be, Spurs reporters saying N'Dombele isn't for sale. Not sure if it's a Martial situation where the ownership sees value in the player staying despite the manager's objections or if it's just Levy making it clear in the media that they won't let N'Dombele go for nothing.

RE: Skriniar, I'll copy my comment from the transfer thread.

He's one of those players that PL fans seem to rate far more than the Serie A fans who watch him every week. I assume it's due to that standout season he had a few years ago when he was being quoted for 80-100 mil. His highlight reels look great too because he loves a tackle.

Simply put though, his lack of agility is an enormous problem. It causes him issues in the much slower-paced Serie A and I can only imagine what some PL attackers would to him. He's simply not made for a 3 man backline. De Vrij is by far the standout CB on that team. That's not to say Skriniar would be terrible in the PL, I think he could be quite successful in the right system (like a Jose low block perhaps).
 

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Lindelof was better than Maguire in that game. I'm aware of our need for a CB but has to be a consistently good CB that is strong, fast, tall and doesn't have a mistake in them waiting to happen. I think we will be good with a faster, taller and stronger Lindelof if that makes sense
As long as it’s not Lindelöf
 

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Defending in a low block under Jose will suit him. He isn't good when his team play more expansive football, his weaknesses get exposed