Miscellaneous Reserve/Youth News

Yeah but the point at which a Premier League club is having to borrow kits and not wear our own colours, its a disgrace.

The kids probably aren't that bothered but its reeks of a lack of professionalism and standards at the club.
Was a home match at Carrington too. So can’t even use the excuse of just forgetting to pack the kits.



What's the source of that?

Given the re-vamp of Carrington, the academy apparently having to use portable cabins sounds very odd. Surely there'd be plenty of space.
The Athletic. The re-vamp at Carrington specifically excluded the academy and involved kicking them out of the building. There is apparently a vague plan of building them a new one that could take months or years and will be done with a very tight budget which so far can’t afford janitors, camera operators, or even washing and supplying kits.
 
What's the source of that?

Given the re-vamp of Carrington, the academy apparently having to use portable cabins sounds very odd. Surely there'd be plenty of space.

Athletic/NYT. "Cabins in the car park" seems to be stretching the truth slightly but

Now it has been decided the U21s and U18s will move to the two-storey block behind the main building, which was erected to house the women’s team last season while the men’s first team occupied their facilities during construction. The women’s building was opened in October 2023 at a cost of £10m. Marc Skinner’s team have now moved back there.

Inside the modular building the women once used are changing rooms, office space and briefing rooms, and United are planning for further development to suit academy needs. They are also positioned next to the pitches where Binnion and Fletcher’s teams train.

But the building feels temporary, with United having previously discussed removing it. It is out of keeping with the aesthetics of the complex, has rental costs, and was also one of the spaces earmarked for a padel court — a special request of the first team.

The club has decided to keep it, though, and it will be home for the U21s and U18s for the foreseeable future, because the long-term solution will take many months — possibly years — and several million pounds to complete.

The Athletic can reveal United intend to build a bespoke academy structure of matching calibre and style to the first-team facility on the same site. Details are still scant as the project is only gaining momentum now new academy director Stephen Torpey is in place. United felt it did not make sense to advance plans while his predecessor, Nick Cox, was serving his notice period before joining Everton as technical director.

Carrington is senior team only now.

For those on the cusp of breaking into senior football, however, conditions are in a state of flux.

They are, arguably, worse than before work began in summer 2024, with the under-21s and U18s set to be housed in temporary cabins in the players’ car park as no plans were made for their inclusion in the revamped complex.

In the old setup, those two age-group teams had their own ground-floor dressing room, close to the first team’s. They also had a treatment room down the corridor to the senior medics department, and would share social areas with senior players, including in the canteen. Academy staff had office space upstairs, again near the first team, facilitating conversations with the manager and executives.

Those designing the new main building decided to cut that association, the aim being to make the first-team facilities an area players must aspire to enter.

Instead, they included two dressing rooms set aside for emerging talent, holding 10 spots between them. These are intended for young players who are in the first team, or those from the academy who are training with Ruben Amorim’s squad. Generally, two players are chosen to join every session: in the past week this has included Shea Lacey, Jim Thwaites, Tyler Fletcher, Jayden Ngwashi and Daniel Armer. They eat with the first team whenever they train alongside them.
 
Athletic/NYT. "Cabins in the car park" seems to be stretching the truth slightly

Hmm. More than "slightly".

And what is the source for the u13s having to wear Everton kits?

Seems like journalists scraping the barrel, desperate to do everything in their power to shit on United again.
 
Hmm. More than "slightly".

And what is the source for the u13s having to wear Everton kits?

Seems like journalists scraping the barrel, desperate to do everything in their power to shit on United again.
The same
All those who wear club tracksuits — including academy coaches and first-team analysts, but not players, Amorim and his coaches — now have to wash their own kit, while a shortage of staff is alleged to have played a factor in an embarrassing episode involving United’s U13s when Everton came to Carrington to play a match last month.

United did not have enough socks and shorts, so asked to borrow some. It meant United players wore kit bearing Everton’s crest.

The episode was attributed to forgetfulness, but it came in the wake of several pairs of women’s players’ boots going missing in transit for their Champions League qualifier at SK Brann. Club officials had to go to a local sports shop in Bergen less than three hours before kick-off to buy 15 pairs of boots and 20 sets of shin pads.
 
What’s it stretching? Temporary modular cabins that have been placed in the car park are precisely “cabins in the car park”.

Well yeah but it's a full 2 tier welfare set up for this reason, it just reads as if they've chucked a couple of little portacabins in some empty parking spaces and said make do
 

Again, this just feels like proper barrel scraping, blown out of proportion stuff. One-off minor incidents extrapolated to full-blown crises. Trying to find the negative angle in any story.

Where does this info even come from? Who's telling these stories to journalists to put the club in a bad light?

Plus I'm sure if the journalists cared they could find or concoct similar occurrences at other big clubs, but it doesn't suit the narrative they try to create around United and their attempt to generate clicks.
 
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If they are intending to build an academy facility to match the first team one then that is a positive, clearly there are going to be issues making do until that is done just like there were with the women’s and first team facilities.

But the club was neglected for a couple of decades under the Glazers and dealing with the consequences of that is not going for be fixed overnight.
 
Well yeah but it's a full 2 tier welfare set up for this reason, it just reads as if they've chucked a couple of little portacabins in some empty parking spaces and said make do
Stacking one cabin on top of another doesn’t change the fact it is a portable cabin in a parking lot.

They’ve kicked them out of the Carrington building with no timeline or actual plan to re-house them so that is pretty much exactly what they’ve done. The “plan” for their new building could take several months or years, in other words they have no idea or actual plan yet.
 
I mean we have clearly seen the shit tier academy and U21s coverage quality since the INEOS takeover so those saying those stories are "stretch" must have not been really following things around here.

Obviously there will be plans for academy facilities to be built but the fact that it's not in the original Carrington revamp is weird at the first place. Unless they wanna do an "EDS" kinda of facilities but I doubt it.

We also have made a grand total of 1 addition to the U18s squad this summer, and that is a bloody goalkeeper.

If you strip down all the PR talks, all what people have done so far under this regime has only shown that the academy has become the afterthought for them. That despite the U21s and U18s have won all of their league games so far this season apart from one.
 
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Our lack of recruitment at academy level was baffling to me too but it was written in athletic that we’d focus more on 17-20 age group and we’ve signed quite a few players in that age group.
 
The Guardian have done a feature on James and Luca Scanlon today. Can't post link as I don't have permissions yet.
 
I mean we have clearly seen the shit tier academy and U21s coverage quality since the INEOS takeover so those saying those stories are "stretch" must have not been really following things around here.

Obviously there will be plans for academy facilities to be built but the fact that it's not in the original Carrington revamp is weird at the first place. Unless they wanna do an "EDS" kinda of facilities but I doubt it.

We also have made a grand total of 1 addition to the U18s squad this summer, and that is a bloody goalkeeper.

If you strip down all the PR talks, all what people have done so far under this regime has only shown that the academy has become the afterthought for them. That despite the U21s and U18s have won all of their league games so far this season apart from one.

Does all feel a bit like everything points to INEOS not being convinced about the merits of fully-funded acsdemy operation and preferring the idea of a load of cheap Caicedo-type deals in the hope the odd one pays off. Hope I'm wrong but the number of support staff who've left, the departures of key figures like Cox, Lawrence and now Fedorenko, the facilities stuff, the lack of interest in giving adequate media coverage - hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't good.
 
I think I read that they are focusing on quality, not quantity. Actually a smart move.
 


Ratcliffe had an interview with The Times. Academy bit starts from 43:48.

he starts unprompted on the academy bit, saying there's another thing we haven't really started on is the academy. He also says the academy is fundamentally important to football, needs to be producing talent all the time and it's also important financially plus there needs to be a certain amount of british players in the squad. He says the academy has slipped.
 
I know we're really high on a number of talents, and the youth team level is much higher than recent years, but consistency of production for the first team is down on historic standards so the criticism is valid until we see more academy players claiming squad spots.
 
I know we're really high on a number of talents, and the youth team level is much higher than recent years, but consistency of production for the first team is down on historic standards so the criticism is valid until we see more academy players claiming squad spots.
Is that the academy's fault though? It has recently produced Angel Gomes, James Garner, Elanga, Alvaro Carreras, etc...
 
Is that the academy's fault though? It has recently produced Angel Gomes, James Garner, Elanga, Alvaro Carreras, etc...
Who we've generally sold for peanuts in comparison to the values that City, Liverpool and Chelsea regularly get for their academy products. We're not maximising the academy from that point of view
 
Who we've generally sold for peanuts in comparison to the values that City, Liverpool and Chelsea regularly get for their academy products. We're not maximising the academy from that point of view
Also not the academy’s job. The academy produces players (7 in the Champions League last I checked), it doesn’t sell anyone or choose the senior squad. In other words the academy hasn’t slipped at all, the upper hierarchy (which Ratcliffe runs) and the senior setup (which Ratcliffe constantly says he is happy with) are what have slipped, massively.
 
Hasn't our academy been at its best recently (talent wise)?

Not sure about that.

Although the U21s and U18s have been doing well in their leagues, it seems to be more a case of them having lots of solid players, but few stand-outs who one could envision making the grade for the United senior team.

Looking through the younger age groups there also seems to be a worrying lack of England call-ups for United players.

JJ Gabriel is a clear top talent who one would hope will make it, but any beyond him seem less obvious at the moment.
 
Not sure about that.

Although the U21s and U18s have been doing well in their leagues, it seems to be more a case of them having lots of solid players, but few stand-outs who one could envision making the grade for the United senior team.

Looking through the younger age groups there also seems to be a worrying lack of England call-ups for United players.

JJ Gabriel is a clear top talent who one would hope will make it, but any beyond him seem less obvious at the moment.
That is quite true, I do worry we hardly get any call-ups either. Lots of solid pros but not a lot of cream anymore. Or big sales.
 
Not sure about that.

Although the U21s and U18s have been doing well in their leagues, it seems to be more a case of them having lots of solid players, but few stand-outs who one could envision making the grade for the United senior team.

Looking through the younger age groups there also seems to be a worrying lack of England call-ups for United players.

JJ Gabriel is a clear top talent who one would hope will make it, but any beyond him seem less obvious at the moment.
A lot of that is due to injuries. The core 4 for example was Lacey, Fletcher, Amass, and Fitzgerald when they first came up. Lacey and Fitzgerald were mainstays in the England set up, but they suffered long injuries.
 
A lot of that is due to injuries. The core 4 for example was Lacey, Fletcher, Amass, and Fitzgerald when they first came up. Lacey and Fitzgerald were mainstays in the England set up, but they suffered long injuries.

I'm talking about below them.

The current England U18s squad has only one United player, Bendito Mantato. Meanwhile Man City have 5 players:

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...d-announced-for-france-double-header-20250310

The last U17s squad seemed to have zero United players (and 4 Man City players):

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...-named-for-september-trip-to-germany-20252908

The last U16s squad seemed to have zero United players (and 3 Man City players):

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...u16s-squad-announcement-italy-august-20252208
 
I'm talking about below them.

The current England U18s squad has only one United player, Bendito Mantato. Meanwhile Man City have 5 players:

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...d-announced-for-france-double-header-20250310

The last U17s squad seemed to have zero United players (and 4 Man City players):

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...-named-for-september-trip-to-germany-20252908

The last U16s squad seemed to have zero United players (and 3 Man City players):

https://www.englandfootball.com/art...u16s-squad-announcement-italy-august-20252208

United's current U16 age group (so U17s/U16s at international level) are back-to-back National champions and back-to-back-to-back Northern champions, yet not a single member of that squad has been capped by England.

They beat City in all three of those Northern finals.
 
United's current U16 age group (so U17s/U16s at international level) are back-to-back National champions and back-to-back-to-back Northern champions, yet not a single member of that squad has been capped by England.

They beat City in all three of those Northern finals.

Which of those United players should be in England's youth squads then, but aren't? If they are apparently so good.

Why were some of City's players then getting picked, but not United's?

Can it perhaps be a case of lots of solid pros but not much "cream", as it were?

Honestly curious.
 
Which of those United players should be in England's youth squads then, but aren't? If they are apparently so good.

Why were some of City's players then getting picked, but not United's?

Can it perhaps be a case of lots of solid pros but not much "cream", as it were?

Honestly curious.

Difficult to say as you only get to watch them every so often but there are some very good players in that team. I know Jacey Carrick has been on standby a couple of times & Darlington Osuchukwu was in a squad but never made an appearance (which in itself is pretty much unheard of).

But whatever way you look at it, for a team to be that successful and not get a single cap is pretty bizarre.
 
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Think that group is in a funny situation that there are some good players in that team, but there are JJ Gabriel and the Nkoto brothers (from supposedly the group below age-wise) that just leapfrog everyone.

For England, they seem to be very selective on picking United players for their squad and had been the case last 10-20 years. Even Rashford wasn't picked at U17s/beyond and only had like 2 cap at U16s, until he made that senior breakthrough with us.

They call up every City/Chelsea youth players under the sun, on the other hands. In the last 10-15 years City and Chelsea produced a lot of solid professionals who made it at Championship and above levels, so that's quite justified I wouldn't blame them for doing it.

It's hardly a big deal. Don't get why you should care so much about it. There are super regular England youth internationals whose game couldn't translate to senior level at all (McEachran brothers spring to mind, both of them are currently playing at League Two). And there are players who blossom at senior level despite nowhere near a youth call-up during academy times. Elliot Anderson for example. England didn't bother to call him up during earlier years so he had a few caps for Scotland, even called up to their senior but pulled out through injury. Then England only started to call him up at U21s level after his transfer to Forest.

The one that I'm surprised they haven't called up is Thwaites but he's December born so in a quite disadvantage (his competitors would be the likes of Chris Riggs and Josh King who already played in the PL, it's a very strong group in midfield and even at United we have Jack Fletcher and Fritzegald who are also 2007 born midfielders). One of those that they will call up once he made his senior breakthrough, for us or somewhere.
 
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I think the England set up still has a bias towards physicality and athleticism.

Chelsea and Man City academy lads tend to, I think, have as much technical ability but generally better athletics and tactical training. United preferring skills and expression, though less than back in the day.
 
JJ Gabriel was called up to England u16s and turned it down.

From our u16s, Carrick, Silvester, and Osuchukwu have attended England camps. Nkotos have been called up to those too along with Dore and a few others from our u15s.

Amir Ibragimov would be certainly called up but by all means isn’t a British citizen so can’t play in official matches.

As above, Thwaites is December born which is rarely seen at youth international level.

We have loads playing for other nations too, above their age groups. Jay McEvoy and Rafe McCormack have played for England but now play for Ireland. McEvoy has played for 3 different countries. Tyler Fletcher the same with England and Scotland.

Ngwashi has Italy and England call ups. Scotland and Australia are fighting over Overy.

Youth international staff aren’t infallible anyway. Many senior players have seen little call ups in early age groups. In my own youth career, 5-6 players from my town were Canada youth internationals. Only one made it to the senior team with 4 caps. Instead one from our club team who never played youth international until u20s which came after already making the senior Canada side. He then became Canada’s leading goal scorer of all time and played in La Liga.
 
JJ Gabriel was called up to England u16s and turned it down.

From our u16s, Carrick, Silvester, and Osuchukwu have attended England camps. Nkotos have been called up to those too along with Dore and a few others from our u15s.

Amir Ibragimov would be certainly called up but by all means isn’t a British citizen so can’t play in official matches.

As above, Thwaites is December born which is rarely seen at youth international level.

We have loads playing for other nations too, above their age groups. Jay McEvoy and Rafe McCormack have played for England but now play for Ireland. McEvoy has played for 3 different countries. Tyler Fletcher the same with England and Scotland.

Ngwashi has Italy and England call ups. Scotland and Australia are fighting over Overy.

Youth international staff aren’t infallible anyway. Many senior players have seen little call ups in early age groups. In my own youth career, 5-6 players from my town were Canada youth internationals. Only one made it to the senior team with 4 caps. Instead one from our club team who never played youth international until u20s which came after already making the senior Canada side. He then became Canada’s leading goal scorer of all time and played in La Liga.

As of our U16s, Silva Mexes also eligible for England but currently playing for Thailand.

Our U18s also have Jacob Watson who had caps before but not called up recently, understandably since he's currently our second choice LB after Kukonki.
 
We did not have a lot of players in national teams for years, but recently I think we have much more than before.
We have Amass, Fletcher, Lacey from 2007, Harrison, Heaven and Wheatley from 2006, Mantato from 2008 (also Kukonki, Ngwashi had calls I think). So, it is better than before and we have a few in other teams like Lusale for Slovakia 2007, and Ibrovic for Serbia 2008.
What I don't understand is that Fitzgerald is not getting a call for 2007 (he was before part of selection, and might be because of injury) and Thwaites. Also, not sure for younger players and generations, like 2009, and below.
 
Are there any outstanding players from the younger groups U13-U14? There is a lot of good talk about Jack Waters, Benji Houghton or Eddie Wright. Is there anyone else to watch?
 


He’s been starting to get some minutes at Lausanne too. Good to see.
 
Looks like we're once again releashing a short documentary on this summer's U16 tour of Hong Kong. Premiers Friday on MUTV at 13:00.
 
U15s are at the MTU Cup later this month. They've been drawn in a group with Barcelona, Stuttgart, PSG, TSV Tettnang & VfB Friedrichshafen.

U18s also have the usual Germany trip with the REWE Junior Cup (and presumably the Mercedes-Benz Junior Cup too) in January. U13s + U12s also have indoor tournaments in Germany coming up.