Mo Salah | PFA Player's Player of the Year

Giggs was the best player on the left I’ve ever seen. But take Giggs off those united teams and they still win everything in sight. Salah is more of a striker but plays on the right so it’s a little hard to compare, but take Salah off our team and we don’t win anything. The question better asked is who was more important to their respective teams and that would be Salah.
Object to Giggs’ importance as you’re recalling the post-2000’s there more than his heyday 1990’s where he was instrumental, but outside of that, well phrased and posted. The importance of wing-forwards also shifts as we go through the years and Giggs had been moved inside by then anyway. Ironic that you move his career 15yrs up and he comes up as a RWF himself.

Would loved to have seen what Giggs in his prime years could’ve done in such a role.
 
I don't think United wins as much without Giggs. Even ignoring all the other qualities he had, we're still talking about a player with close to 500 goal involvements over a 22-year career (a goal or an assist every 150 minutes in 963 games with hardly any penalties)

I think he had more in his game than Salah, whose main advantage over him is the consistent goal-scoring.
 
Have I got this wrong, and not trying to derail the topic, but wasn't Giggs going to be sold to Inter Milan? What was the reason for that? Genuinely curious
 
I don't think United wins as much without Giggs. Even ignoring all the other qualities he had, we're still talking about a player with close to 500 goal involvements over a 22-year career (a goal or an assist every 150 minutes in 963 games with hardly any penalties)

I think he had more in his game than Salah, whose main advantage over him is the consistent goal-scoring.
They might not have won as much without Giggs, but we don’t win anything without Mo. That was the point. Other than that Salah was more prolific but Giggs was Giggs. Ever present and always there winning everything in efn sight.
 
Looks to be finally declining, age and tremendous amount of mileage on his body is showing its signs. I read a stat which said "Mo Salah has produced just 0.04(xG) across his last two games (Arsenal & Newcastle)." He also looks to be slow and not as sharp as he once was.

I always found it odd why Liverpool are looking to spunk £350m on three new attackers this summer but they are gearing for a transition. I guess signs were there in 2nd half of last season whereby he tailed off significantly. Will be interesting how this season progresses as minutes start to add up.
 
I have never seen a player with his reputation look so bad on the ball during the entire game.

If you watch him play for the first time in a game, you'd never believe that he's the best player in the league (I think VVD is way better than him anyways).

He was awful today.
 
Looks to be finally declining, age and tremendous amount of mileage on his body is showing its signs. I read a stat which said "Mo Salah has produced just 0.04(xG) across his last two games (Arsenal & Newcastle)." He also looks to be slow and not as sharp as he once was.

I always found it odd why Liverpool are looking to spunk £350m on three new attackers this summer but they are gearing for a transition. I guess signs were there in 2nd half of last season whereby he tailed off significantly. Will be interesting how this season progresses as minutes start to add up.
Whether he's declining or not, signing the three players that will likely define our attack for the next 5+ years at this point is only prudent, given his age.

I want them to be gradually filling his boots as he gradually declines.
 
Really poor today, so many Liverpool attacks broke down today because of a poor touch or indecisiveness.

Their attack isn’t fully clicking at the moment - despite the goals - and once Wirtz is full assimilated in to the side and picking up form, I suspect we may see Salah’s form pick up.
 
Looks like his age might be catching up to him.

Slot won't have the balls to drop him either. We saw him kick off with Klopp after he was dropped the season before last.

His ego could ensure that his time at Liverpool ends messily, similar to how things ended with Ronaldo at United, minus a Piers Morgan interview.

Renewing his contract on silly wages might seriously backfire on Liverpool.
 
Looks like his age might be catching up to him.

Slot won't have the balls to drop him either. We saw him kick off with Klopp after he was dropped the season before last.

His ego could ensure that his time at Liverpool ends messily, similar to how things ended with Ronaldo at United, minus a Piers Morgan interview.

Renewing his contract on silly wages might seriously backfire on Liverpool.
There was a huge gap yesterday between Bradley and him, leaving Salah isolated which Chelsea wanted.

His most effective game this season was against Atletico and the player map from that game shows Frimpong playing very close to Salah.

He needs someone close to him to link up with otherwise he gets isolated and is fairly useless.
 
There was a huge gap yesterday between Bradley and him, leaving Salah isolated which Chelsea wanted.

His most effective game this season was against Atletico and the player map from that game shows Frimpong playing very close to Salah.

He needs someone close to him to link up with otherwise he gets isolated and is fairly useless.
He looks a pub player so far this season. That extension will haunt you. Slot doesn’t have the balls to drop him.
 
Looks like his age might be catching up to him.

Slot won't have the balls to drop him either. We saw him kick off with Klopp after he was dropped the season before last.

His ego could ensure that his time at Liverpool ends messily, similar to how things ended with Ronaldo at United, minus a Piers Morgan interview.

Renewing his contract on silly wages might seriously backfire on Liverpool.
About time something did, tbh
 
Without trying to jinx it he looks like he's lost that yard of pace from what I've seen against Chelsea. Bear in mind he still has enough experience to hurt us, and he did have one good chance that he fluffed, but Cucurella had him in his pocket for most of the match
 
Without trying to jinx it he looks like he's lost that yard of pace from what I've seen against Chelsea. Bear in mind he still has enough experience to hurt us, and he did have one good chance that he fluffed, but Cucurella had him in his pocket for most of the match
The issue is fullback/flank support has gone to pot, which means he’s isolated and having to do far too much to work for position. He hasn’t been his old fast for a while, but he modified his game to compensate for that some time ago; the difference is no Trent and his threat for the opposition to think about and go out to meet. In the past, Salah would operate in the pockets of space and opportunism it provided.

Basically, they need to get him a quality flanker otherwise he’ll “suddenly” look a lot older and as if he’s on the slide, which may well be misleading because the loss of his tried and trusted wing support is likely to be by far the bigger issue.
 
He still afforded himself a couple of okay chances against Chelsea but his finishing looked really poor. Hopefully it continues.
 
Have I got this wrong, and not trying to derail the topic, but wasn't Giggs going to be sold to Inter Milan? What was the reason for that? Genuinely curious
I don't know any reasons but one could be that Italian football in the 90s was by far the best in Europe in both standards and pay.
 
I don't watch Liverpool a lot, so can only comment on what has been said here. People are saying he is still getting chances, so I wouldn't worry too much if I were a Liverpool fan. I think finishing is one of the last things to leave a player, so if he is still getting chances he will find the goals eventually and still be effective. I would be more worried if the chances were drying up too.
 
Giggs was the best player on the left I’ve ever seen. But take Giggs off those united teams and they still win everything in sight. Salah is more of a striker but plays on the right so it’s a little hard to compare, but take Salah off our team and we don’t win anything. The question better asked is who was more important to their respective teams and that would be Salah.


If Salah is that important to Liverpool, all your saying is that your team as a whole is no where near the United sides giggs played in.

United over the majority of Giggs career could have lost any player (and Sir Alex got rid of some smashers) and been successful whether it was Hughes, Kanchelskis and Ince at the same time. Or Stam Or Beckham or Van Nistelrooy or CR7 etc.

Says alot about the standards of football dropping so badly over the last decade.
 
If Salah is that important to Liverpool, all your saying is that your team as a whole is no where near the United sides giggs played in.

United over the majority of Giggs career could have lost any player (and Sir Alex got rid of some smashers) and been successful whether it was Hughes, Kanchelskis and Ince at the same time. Or Stam Or Beckham or Van Nistelrooy or CR7 etc.

Says alot about the standards of football dropping so badly over the last decade.
I wouldn't bother. He's the type of poster who will argue that every player in the team is the best in the world, but then would say this about Salah.
 
If Salah is that important to Liverpool, all your saying is that your team as a whole is no where near the United sides giggs played in.
Messi was also that important to 2005 - 2015 Barcelona, that doesn't mean their team was nowhere near those United sides if you took him out of it.
 
He looks a pub player so far this season. That extension will haunt you. Slot doesn’t have the balls to drop him.
I don't think the extension will be an issue at all. You know Saudi will buy him for £100m+ and 400k a week is nothing to them.
Annoying.......
 
I don't watch Liverpool a lot, so can only comment on what has been said here. People are saying he is still getting chances, so I wouldn't worry too much if I were a Liverpool fan. I think finishing is one of the last things to leave a player, so if he is still getting chances he will find the goals eventually and still be effective. I would be more worried if the chances were drying up too.

His non-penalty XG per 90 over the last few seasons:

21-22 - .58
22-23 - .51
23-24 - .55
24-25 - .49
25-26 - .17

Its only seven matches but he's not getting nearly the same level of chances as in previous years. His finishing was off against Chelsea but the bigger issue in general is the lack of opportunities.
 
Luckily for Pool, Saudi will still bail them out with a £80m+ fee next summer I think.

If he wanted to go to Saudi Arabia he could have gone for free in the summer so why would he go for a fee a year later? He'll see out his contract at Liverpool.

From what I've seen of Salah this season I think he and a lot of his teammates are struggling with grief and the death of Jota.
 
If he wanted to go to Saudi Arabia he could have gone for free in the summer so why would he go for a fee a year later? He'll see out his contract at Liverpool.

From what I've seen of Salah this season I think he and a lot of his teammates are struggling with grief and the death of Jota.
I think he’ll eventually go to Saudi - I just don’t think last season was the right time. So pool renewed him on massive wages which will ensure they get a good transfer fee and when Salah has declined & his starting position is threatened and/or he doesn’t feel he’s up to task in Europe anymore, maybe he’ll then be off to Saudi. Good all be moot, of course - he might shake it off and start hitting some excellent form again. Either way, I think he will end up in Saudi at some point.
 
Wonder if there's been a dip in motivation along with age. Last season, he was still playing for his new contract and he had that falling out with Klopp at the end and seemed like one of the few who was happy to see Klopp go and prove him wrong under a different coach.

He might also have half on eye on NT for this season in trying to win a trophy at AFCON and be at his best for the WC after not qualifying in 22 and struggling with that shoulder in 18.
 
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it’s because i bothered to do fantasy football this year and put him, wirtz and van dijk in mine. you’re welcome.
 
Don't watch their games, but isn't this due to them having a target man up front this season, as opposed to last season, where they had Gakpo there?
 
Don't watch their games, but isn't this due to them having a target man up front this season, as opposed to last season, where they had Gakpo there?
We never played Gakpo in the centre last season. It was Jota, Nunez and Diaz.

Whatever the cause I think it is in large parts a team issue. We're simply not getting the ball to him in good areas the way we were last season.
 
Don't watch their games, but isn't this due to them having a target man up front this season, as opposed to last season, where they had Gakpo there?
In part yes, but mostly they're really missing TAA, Mac Allister hasn't been playing particularly well so far, and all that is forcing Salah away from the box while also reducing his options

They're also directing more of their play down the other wing, too
 
He is isolated and the set up has him touching the ball way less in the box. It’s something Slot needs to fix rather than just accept his decline. That would be a mistake.
 
In part yes, but mostly they're really missing TAA, Mac Allister hasn't been playing particularly well so far, and all that is forcing Salah away from the box while also reducing his options

They're also directing more of their play down the other wing, too

I think this is right. TAA's ability to play balls quickly in transition to Salah was one of the keys to getting him into a lot of dangerous positions. Neither Bradley nor Frimpong are good passers or build up players, which is why Slot keeps putting Szoboszlai there.

But I also suspect that another part of the explanation is that Salah is finally doing what you'd expect a 33-year-old wide forward in a very demanding league to do - decline. He's a freak of nature and takes great care of himself but father time comes for everybody and he has already defied the odds just by lasting this long at an elite level at that position in the PL.