No, that's just a dickhead move. Like taking off your suit jacket in the freezing, pissing rain.
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You can see Shreeves itching to ask about Kean here.
Reeks of a manager trying to put his stamp. Poor boy was shocked.It feels wrong to type it on this forum but... manager Ferguson is an idiot.
The jacket thing and that sub he made. Just a manager trying to get a moment in the spotlights.
Yeah I don’t buy that personally. His reaction didn’t portray that at all.
To be fair, it's the only thing anyone wanted to hear from Dunc!
This. I'm not sure why posters are supposing he was subbed for ignoring instructions. I think it was a time-wasting tactic with the player's dignity as collateral for a point. If that's the case then it doesn't bode well for Ferguson moving forward, the best managers value their squad they don't diminish the fringe players for the sake of results because when results inevitably go against them it won't take much for the squad to fracture and stop playing for him. Foolish.
Definitely premeditated, then. Like @Stadjer says with the whole blazer thing — I think Duncan Ferguson is playing it up for the Everton faithful.
Indeed. As others have said, doing that to a young player will have utterly destroyed his self confidence. Wouldnt be surprised if he goes out on loan in January and never plays for Everton again.
Bizarre management. He did no worse than their other players I thought.
Disgusting man management, how to destroy a young player's confidence in 10 seconds. If he wanted to waste time he could have subbed off anyone else. Ferguson is a dick
You're making excuses for that asshole of a manager. Kean was putting in an effort. Everton did nothing all second half and after he came on he was the only one that looked threatening.
If it was “nothing personal” he wouldn’t have totally blanked him. Absolutely shocking management.
I've never, ever seen a player come on and then be subbed off within 18 minutes to waste time. Also if you sub a player off to waste time, you don't normally blank the guy as he walks past.
Strange from Dunc but he is a nutcase.
If you're asked to do a job and you don't do it then it's fair in my view. Players are paid obscene amounts to play and if they ignore instructions from a manager then why should he stay on? This is a player that has already been fined and spoken to for being late to meetings and stuff under the previous manager. I'd love for him to turn it around and do think under Silva he wasn't played in the correct positions but as a player you still need to put the effort in and do what you're instructed to do by the manager. I feel for him but I can only be so empathetic.Ferguson definitely chatting bollocks there about time wasting.
"We'll take care of your son"
bet his mum's pissed they went back on their promise.
bet his mum's pissed they went back on their promise.
This. He was putting challenges in and putting himself about. He was in no way “just jogging around “.
Not making any excuses, if Ferguson took him off for time wasting reasons then he is at fault and being an arsehole but if the player ignored instructions then I don't think it is unfair to sub them off. Until the full story comes out it is all up in the air as to what the reasons were. I don't think Ferguson was wasting time but if he was then he's at fault for doing that.
He should've done a Kepa. I would love to have seen how Ferguson would've dealt with that!
Don't see what he did that was so bad to embarrass him like that.
That sort of management is what'll lose you the dressing room in the long run.
That sort of management is what'll lose you the dressing room in the long run.
I hope he relegates them
It's like that old story about Orson Welles hiring somebody only to fire them just to show everybody else he means business.
He didn’t ignore instructions, I don’t get why you keep repeating that line. He came on and did fine.
Duncan Ferguson was a bit before my time so I don't know much about him but that and his behaviour after the final whistle and that cringey interview on Sky doesn't paint him as a likeable person at all.
That said Kean seemed a bit lost when he came on and had to be given instructions by Richarlison for example.
That said Kean seemed a bit lost when he came on and had to be given instructions by Richarlison for example.
Absolutely pathetic to sub him like that
Maybe Fergie just hates Keano.
Came in here to post about Big Dunc. He’s loving the limelight at the moment.
Hugging ball boys, running down the touchline, wearing an Everton sweatband, taking off his jacket when it’s pissing down with rain. And then he substitutes a substitute and doesn’t even acknowledge the player when he comes off. That is appalling management. I can’t see Kean being at Everton for very long now.
Ferguson throwing down the gauntlet for the job there.
Look at me, I take no shit...
It’s straight out of the Tim Sherwood school of management. Long term, it doesn’t work.
Ferguson’s entire image is forced. He runs around like a man who has been asked to play the role of Duncan Ferguson.
Look at me, I take no shit...
It’s straight out of the Tim Sherwood school of management. Long term, it doesn’t work.
Ferguson’s entire image is forced. He runs around like a man who has been asked to play the role of Duncan Ferguson.
Holy shit. Where's that "Mind blown" gif?
He's always been a bit of a douche.
If the player isn't following instructions then you yell at him for not doing so, you don't immediately sub him off. You honestly think Kean got in and purposely ignored the new manager? Duncan Ferguson being an asshole is such a more likely scenario.
Supposin' it's true that Ferguson subbed him off to waste time, it's wholly unwise to sub off a recently subbed-on substitute who has very little game time already. Any shred of self-confidence has to be dented. It's not a very harmonious move.
I said if he did. Neither you or I know if he did or not. That's only something Ferguson and Kean will know together. But at the moment before jumping the gun I'm putting all possibilities on the table - time-wasting/shite management = Fergusons fault and ignoring instructions = Keans fault. It doesn't put us in a great place morale wise whichever it is and also why Ferguson is just a part time choice for me than long term but at this point we have a Ferguson interview straight after the game where he will be keen to sweep it under the carpet and then over the next few days we will know what the real story is.
He was also gassed after 10 or so minutes. That's what I'm referring to when jogging.
He's lying about the wasting time bit, surely. You just wouldn't do that to a player. A young player at that! His confident will be completely shot down now. Poor management, in my opinion.
Perfectly normal to jog for a bit after a full sprint
I honestly have no idea if he did or not but he's purposely ignored club policy in the past which is why Silva didn't play him for a bit in regards to meetings etc. There are many scenarios which are possible which is why I'm keeping my mind open and not pushing blame onto either of them yet and saying in either scenario one of them would come across poorly. I've said multiple times Ferguson is an arsehole if it was just wasting time but if it's something else to do with Kean then as I said, I have less sympathy.
Bingo.
This is Duncan Ferguson we're talking about here. The guy barely speaks a language we can barely understand. I don't think it's that deep.
The 2 things are not related, are they. Just sub another player if you really think it's necessary. That's Kean gone. Already fragile, looked totally up for it coming on, high profile match, screened around the world including Italy of course, then big Dunc humiliates him. For what?? An absolute shocker. Wrong on every level.
Ferguson giving Moyes the chance just to feck with him a bit, seems familiar.
That coach is a dick, doing it for the cheap win with his fans. Feel sorry for Kean as he did nothing wrong, needs to go to a club that knows how to nurture young talent.
That coach is a dick, doing it for the cheap win with his fans. Feel sorry for Kean as he did nothing wrong, needs to go to a club that knows how to nurture young talent.
First footballer to be jailed for an on-field assault. Also famous for tackling two burglars at his house and putting one in hospital. As you can probably guess, he was a total shithouse on the pitch, a violent target man that loved to intimidate his opponents.