I told my friends a couple of years ago that he’s a better player than Bellingham.
I’ll stand by that.
I’ll stand by that.
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea player
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We missed on Caicedo strictly when we let Brighton bag him. The narrative that we allegedly "passed over him" to target Mount is just hilariously bad. He was utterly out of our price range by the start of that summer.
He most certainly isn't
Right, hence me saying caceido was never a target
As I said, were kinda saying the same thing here
He might be a better DM than Bellingham.
He's a world class DM, scored a couple of goals recently. His shot yesterday is 0.04xG, coach will tell to pass it because 99% of the time that'll be more productive... File under why modern football is more boring. Great goal obv.
We lost the xG yesterday, but won the game. Nice change for Liverpool who've been mugging teams all season.
When you spend 1.5 billion on transfers at least one has to work out.. right?
Great player though. 115m. Brighton are so much better at finding these players than everyone else.
Great player though. 115m. Brighton are so much better at finding these players than everyone else.
I’d take him over Bellingham every day of the week.
Yea
He’s finally living up to the billing but he had 2 seasons of pretty mediocre performances overall till now.
I never said that. Quite impressive how you interpreted something that wasn't there.
For clarity, my post was about two separate but related points, 1) my major issue with ETH targeting the wrong profile of midfielder and 2) my hope (at the time) that we should have gone for Caicedo instead, which I already acknowledged probably wouldn't have happened due to his price but the main point is that it should have been a proper 6 instead.
Also Caicedo ridiculous price (e.g twice and more of Mount) wasn't public knowledge or clear when we signed Mount at the beginning of summer. We didn't 'run of money', we had it as we spent big on Hojlund and Onana but decided not to spend it on a 6 due to poor recruitment strategy under ETH and the previous board. As soon as Eriksen got injured during ETH's first season, it was clear as day we lost our midfield shape and it derailed our performances, along with exposing Casemiro's already lagging legs. Hence why I said at the time 'buying Mount is a bigger red flag for me than the 7-0' and I was unfortunately proven right because ETH went for that suicidal 4-2-4 bollocks instead of reinforcing that massive gaping hole.
His first chelsea season sure,but other than that he's been top notch, especially last season.
Okay, yeah? We have a £107m player who isn't playing anywhere this level. There are plenty of high priced players who don't live up to the hype or price tag.
Can't believe we could have signed this guy for 2m and didn't take the punt.
Not even that. He had a spotty first 3 months and since then he's been outstanding. As it often is, there will always be that delay in appreciation from those who don't watch players every week.
Lavia is almost equally impressive at what he does. He just needs to keep fit.
I imagine Chelsea fans are the only people taking that game seriously, and as anything more than a glorified friendly.
Lavia is insane to me because he is literally always injured for lengthy periods but he never needs a bedding in period to get back to up speed. He just casually returns from 4 months out and is immediately sharp and in rhythm. I don't know how he does it.
The Paris players took it plenty seriously considering that Neves was so rattled he got sent off.
If Chelsea play Paris again then we'll see I suppose. I have no reason to think that Caicedo is any worse than any of their midfield given he's playing at a ridiculous level in a worse side in a tougher league and he also was the dominant midfielder head to head in a cup final, friendly as it might have been.
And this was the exact same type of mindset that led to us deciding not to/being pressured to not play the first European Cup back in the day.
Because he’s so used to playing injured.
Caicedo family are UTD supporters too, Valencia(their national hero and our ex-captain) had a chat with his family well before Brighton came into the picture and provided assurances he will be well taken care of at UTD but all fell apart as our admin guys were lazy and didnt want to go through the hassle of an additional paper work or getting him through our Belgian feeder clubs.
It pains to think we could have gotten him for so much less money as he could be our answer in the midfield instead wasted 120M on Casemiro and Mount
Agree, he’s better than Jube Bellingham.
Unfortunately the older brother is twice the player.
Different players so hard to compare but if you offered me one or the other, I'd take Caicedo.
Professional football player in being competitive shocker.
It was a silly tournament at the end of a ridiculously long season, in which you got a stroll route to the final where you faced a jaded, exhausted team. Put against your squad that had been rotated throughout the year as you'd taken part in a third tier European competition. But hey, you got your pics with Trump!
You're the one who said no one apart from Chelsea supporters was taking it seriously? Sounds like the PSG players wanted to win but couldn't get to grips with the game because Caicedo was everywhere...
Also, PSG being apparently now a jaded, exhausted team is hindsight. They were deservedly massive favourites, had just crapped on Real Madrid, and had strolled through most of their league season thanks to lack of serious competition?
No one is denying that it was a silly tournament but using it as a way to disparage Caicedo relative to the PSG midfield is equally silly.
Not nearly as silly as trying to inflate Caicedo's stock on the basis of a friendly.
I wasn't? You're the one who said I was denigrating the Paris players by preferring Caicedo; my opinion of his level has more to do with what he's doing week-in week-out in the PL. Pointing out that he bossed them in a (silly) cup final is the cherry on top, not the metaphorical sundae basis for the argument.
Really do love the knee jerk reactions of football fans..
Last few seasons he's been fairly average,
cue many on here to claim he was a waste of money and a mediocre player.
Roll on to this season,
he's had a couple of decent games, nothing particularly outstanding but decent enough in a patchy Chelsea team and now he's the best in the world and definitely worth the money!
Last few seasons he's been fairly average,
cue many on here to claim he was a waste of money and a mediocre player.
Roll on to this season,
he's had a couple of decent games, nothing particularly outstanding but decent enough in a patchy Chelsea team and now he's the best in the world and definitely worth the money!
Ah yes, the exhausted team that were suddenly exhausted against us, but not against Real Madrid or Bayern Munich.
Are these 2 seasons in the room with us now?
He's been fairly poor in 23/24 season even though he was much better in the second half of it, it was mostly his extremely underwhelming start that ruined it for him. He's been arguably the best central midfielder in the league last season* and he's on fire now. His breakthrough season at Brighton (22/23) was awesome as well, hence the ridiculous fee.
*it was a fairly stacked competition with Gravenberch being especially good. But if you want concrete evidence, Caicedo was Chelsea's Player of the Year even ahead of Palmer.
He was extremely good last season
'Nothing particularly outstanding'...Have you watched him at all? If you thought his last few seasons were fairly average your standards must be through the roof.
All I see there are facts!
A poor debut has had people running a narrative for over 2 years.
And apparently our players don't get scrutinised
He has been fairly middling since arriving at Chelsea.
It's only now, after a handful of good games that people have changed their tune.
Mine was merely an observation that in modern football the fan is binary, there is no middle ground.
Caicedo being decent without excelling is being poor, whereby a handful of good games suddenly becomes world class and the best in the league.
There is no in between.
For me, he's in between, a decent player, no where near the best in his position in the league yet alone the world, but a good player nonetheless.
Mate this is nonsense. You are arguing that 2+2=5
Yeah Lavia is ace, his passing between the lines is what I miss seeing the most, dude just can’t stay fit.
He needs to take up Yoga or something because his hamstrings can’t hold up.
As some posters stated, he had a dodgy start to his chelsea career but last season he was brilliant and it showed in the CwC,one of the best in the league at reading the game, head is always on a swivel when giving the ball and 're positioning to receive the ball back( watch midfielders,you will be surprised how many don't do it,even though it's so simple,it's super important when building from the back)
Definitely top 2 in his postion.
If he's "nowhere near the best in his position", who are some of the players better than him in his position in the Prem?
Just not true. He was bad in the first half of 23/24, pretty good in the second half of the 23/24 season, brilliant last season and is continuing that form into this season, while adding some more goals on top of that (which is getting him more recognition outside of Chelsea fans).
As others pointed out he was our player of the season ahead of Palmer last year...
Last season he was the best midfielder in the prem too.