Moises Caicedo | Chelsea player

GoonerBear said:
Maybe showing my Arsenal bias here but I thought Partey was probably the best midfielder on the pitch on the ball, especially as the game wore on. Thought Caicedo had a very good first half and was very effective at breaking play up.
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GoonerBear said:
He is but he's just slowed down and lost that agility a touch where he can be caught out wrong side and struggle to get back. Think Palmer caught him out once or twice yesterday with it but other than that I thought he was good, on the ball he's still very good.
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Agree with this. That said, Caicedo did complete something like 6/8 long balls and 95% of his passes which is obviously elite.

Partey has added a dimension to Arsenal this year I hadn't anticipated; he basically lets you get away with not playing Zinchenko or Jorginho in deep areas to build from the back whilst not being a net negative out of possession.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
The bit at the end of the first half where he got clattered by Fofana, still got up and recovered to pinch it off Rice, then instantly play a 30 yard through ball to Jackson down the right summed him up. Ridiculous tenacity, tackling, and passing.

He's not as good at carrying the ball as peak Kante was but he's definitely a much better passer (especially from deeper areas), better at one touch play / on the half turn, and his ball recovery numbers are on the same level. Genuinely think as well that once Sanchez is replaced he'll be even better; at times he still has to sit deep to babysit because no one in the back line has faith that Sanchez won't cock it up.
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Why is Sanchez starting? I thought the main point of him was the ball playing?
 
B20 said:
Why is Sanchez starting? I thought the main point of him was the ball playing?
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Don't think that's the case; his limitations on the ball are why he lost his spot at Brighton in the first place.

He's above average on crosses and for sweeping; shot stopping is inconsistent but probably overall a net positive. The issue is he is constantly prone to brain farts.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Don't think that's the case; his limitations on the ball are why he lost his spot at Brighton in the first place.

He's above average on crosses and for sweeping; shot stopping is inconsistent but probably overall a net positive. The issue is he is constantly prone to brain farts.
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I honestly thought when you spent 20m on Jorgensen, it was to be as first choice.
 
B20 said:
I honestly thought when you spent 20m on Jorgensen, it was to be as first choice.
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I never understood why we went after him; won't pretend to be an expert on Valencia but his numbers are very mediocre. He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in the cups / conference league, though I do think he should get a chance in the PL at this point.
 
B20 said:
I honestly thought when you spent 20m on Jorgensen, it was to be as first choice.
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The club seem specialized in buying backup quality goalkeepers in bulk.

To have spent rougly £80M total on Sanchez, Jörgensen, Petrovic, Penders and Slonina only to end up with exactly zero keepers good enough to be a starter is quite an achievement for the club.

At least the likes of Penders and to some extent Slonina have time on their side, but Sanchez will be 27 next week so at this point I wouldn't be expecting any miracles to happen with his development anymore.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I never understood why we went after him; won't pretend to be an expert on Valencia but his numbers are very mediocre. He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in the cups / conference league, though I do think he should get a chance in the PL at this point.
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You mean Villarreal.
 
Somehow led all players in the match in both ball recoveries and passes into the final third while playing at RB?

Absolutely ridiculous player. As good as Palmer has been this year for me Caicedo has been better.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Somehow led all players in the match in both ball recoveries and passes into the final third while playing at RB?

Absolutely ridiculous player. As good as Palmer has been this year for me Caicedo has been better.
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Our POTY so far. Quite comfortably too for me.
 
Just one of those who needed six months to settle in. He was starting to show his Brighton form back end of last season.
 
FootballHQ said:
Just one of those who needed six months to settle in. He was starting to show his Brighton form back end of last season.
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He was never even that bad in the first place bar his debut.

When you consider the instability at the time combined with Poch's dinosaur tactics he really wasn't doing too badly all things considered.
 
Both Brighton guys have been excellent since the final third of last season. Cucu has been amazing just like Moi.

Confidence and playing in a settled team has been huge for them. Who would’ve thought?
 
I heard this before, but I didn’t believe it until I saw it first hand. How does Caicedo have so much leniency?

He pushed Mount with both hands with full force and there was no foul given.
 
DownRiver said:
I heard this before, but I didn’t believe it until I saw it first hand. How does Caicedo have so much leniency?

He pushed Mount with both hands with full force and there was no foul given.
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Colwill has done the same two or three times to Amad too, ref clearly doesn’t care.
 
Such a shame we didn't have recruitment people who understood complex ownership when he was £4.5m
 
He should be a lock for TOTS for me. Been superb all season.
 
Would love this guy in our midfield, gets through so much work. Still fuming we could’ve wrapped up a deal for him for around £5m but didn’t deem it worth the hassle and let him go to Brighton instead. Just one example in a long line of feck ups by us in the transfer market.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Would love this guy in our midfield, gets through so much work. Still fuming we could’ve wrapped up a deal for him for around £5m but didn’t deem it worth the hassle and let him go to Brighton instead. Just one example in a long line of feck ups by us in the transfer market.
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Yeah stings a lot we couldn't be bothered
 
WeePat said:
He should be a lock for TOTS for me. Been superb all season.
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No chance, several forest players are far more twatish than Caicedo. And about half the Arsenal team.

Sorry, he'll have to try harder to win that prize.
 
I remember when we were loosely linked with him when he was still in Ecuador - and I know montages can be deceiving, but his full game highlights portrayed the attributes he had in abundance.

Gutted we missed out on him.
 
Been amazing for us all season and is the best #6 in the league. If Lavia can stay fit and with Andrey Santos returning from loan where he has been outstanding, Caicedo should be even better next season.

He plays like someone who is 28-30 and in their prime when in reality he’s still just 23 and has room for improvement. Assuming Real Madrid doesn’t come sniffing around he can eventually reach Kante status here if the team starts competing for trophies again.
 
Brilliant player.

Thought the game was severely lacking in quality from both sides last night but he stood out a country mile. Best player on the pitch.

Makes missing out on him for peanuts even more painful.
 
Who knows whether he would have been able to fulfill his potential with us as he did for Brighton. I think, he didn't even really play much in his first year or so. Thats the overall issue, there are a lot of downsides for a player to come into a high pressure environment like a topclub. A player so mobile would have had the chance to get lost in our unorganized team since he would have been needed everywhere.

He played really well today. So much more on top of things than any midfielder of us this season. Capable of contributing on and off the ball.
 
NZT-One said:
Who knows whether he would have been able to fulfill his potential with us as he did for Brighton. I think, he didn't even really play much in his first year or so. Thats the overall issue, there are a lot of downsides for a player to come into a high pressure environment like a topclub. A player so mobile would have had the chance to get lost in our unorganized team since he would have been needed everywhere.

He played really well today. So much more on top of things than any midfielder of us this season. Capable of contributing on and off the ball.
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Wouldn't have mattered for such a miniscule fee
 
He stands out like a sore thumb every game now. I’m worried his head is turned if we don’t win things because he’s absolutely world class.

Also need to stop putting him at right back despite how good he is there. He needs to be in midfield.
 
He's a decent player, but he's not better than Kante, Matic, Essien or Makelele were and he cost 120m. Obviously they all play slightly different roles.

It's slim pickings for a team that used to be expected to challenge for the league and CL every season.

As the manager said yesterday, those days are gone. It's private equity football club now.
 
Mb194dc said:
He's a decent player, but he's not better than Kante, Matic, Essien or Makelele were and he cost 120m. Obviously they all play slightly different roles.

It's slim pickings for a team that used to be expected to challenge for the league and CL every season.

As the manager said yesterday, those days are gone. It's private equity football club now.
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I think he will be better than matic, he's still young.
 
Hammondo said:
I think he will be better than matic, he's still young.
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Yeah in fairness there's 2 all time great DMs and one world class CM in that list, and even Matic himself was a quality player. Wouldn't even be shameful if he just reached Matic' level, but I think he could be up there with Essien at some point if he keeps working hard.
 
MayosNoun said:
He stands out like a sore thumb every game now. I’m worried his head is turned if we don’t win things because he’s absolutely world class.

Also need to stop putting him at right back despite how good he is there. He needs to be in midfield.
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He's on a six year contract and you paid 120m for him, surely no club will even attempt a bid there?
 
croadyman said:
Wouldn't have mattered for such a miniscule fee
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Of course it would have mattered. Caicedo became the player he is because he was able to get minutes and played without the greatest pressure. That wouldn't have been the case for United at all. And a 15 unknown from Ecuador wouldn't have had the greatest stance around this fanbase I am sure you would agree. Don't get me wrong, I hoped we could bring him in back then and was disappointed when we didn't. But it isn't as if between this moment and him being a worldclass player didn't happen a lot.
 
MayosNoun said:
He stands out like a sore thumb every game now. I’m worried his head is turned if we don’t win things because he’s absolutely world class.

Also need to stop putting him at right back despite how good he is there. He needs to be in midfield.
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Y'all are a world class striker away from challenging again imo
 
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