Not sure why, but I don't really rate Morgan Rogers. And the more I watch him, the less I rate him. His overall game is far from elite. Each time I hear he might be competing with Bellingham for a place in the England XI, I just shake my head.
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They’re fecking drunk pissing it up a wall if that’s the case. I wouldn’t be happy if I was SJR
Agreed, there have been posts in this thread calling him technically excellent and I just don't see it unless you are purely focusing on his shooting. His touch is very erratic, and just looking at the very basic stats on whoscored the numbers show that, highest number of unsuccessful touches by a huge margin, second highest number of dispossessions. His passing ain't great either, so you hanging a lot on his ball carrying rather than dribbling and his shooting if you sign him.
Posted this for @golden_blunder, unfortunately it's team talk. Yeh I know we aren't supposed to post from crap like that. But it's a one off for @golden_blunder
Oh thank feck, I was scared that there were too many Rogers links
He would be an interesting player to sign, but the problem is PL teams ask for "best in the world" money for players that are not even close to that level yet. We need to be signing the Ndiaye's before they go to a PL club now.
The money that Ndiaye would cost could quite easily become deadwood cost if he comes and matches his Everton output. Additionally, no one would buy our Ndiaye for the same price that we would get charged, we need to stop fueling this fake economy.
Fully agreed, I can't believe how swiftly people are happy to see us splash 80m on players who are not perennial team of the season level players. You would be hard pressed to see many players move this summer for 80m or above, so spending that on Morgan Rogers would be wasteful. We need to use our scouting network and listen to them because there is not a chance that Rogers is far above the countless options there are out there in the footballing world and I doubt as many would be keen on him if he didn't score twice against us.
Rogers has the same non-penalty Goals + open play Assists per 90 in the PL as Cunha and Doku this season. He had the same as Doku last season as well. Only Cherki ranks higher for output out of AMs/wingers 23 and under in the PL.
He probably is the best option not named Diomande or Barcola, neither of whom might be feasible.
Maybe El Mala is the only other one who springs to mind who could be similar, though it's basically his first season and I need to watch a bit more of him.
Rogers is the best available player on the planet to play LW for us? Are you sure about that?
Had a read through the recent pages of the Rogers thread on a Villa forum. It's safe to say he isn't exactly universally popular, nor would they be heartbroken if he was sold for big money. A lot of complaints about poor form, poor attitude and generally being overrated.
Maybe they're all idiots but still, they're not the reviews you'd want to hear from people who watch him every week.
Maybe they're all idiots but still, they're not the reviews you'd want to hear from people who watch him every week.
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At @SilentWitness and @golden_blunder - please advise me how I should proceed with the following exchange.
I posted:
and I get an excitable, slightly mocking interjection from Trigestis saying:
Now mods, how can I politely - without sounding condescending - point out to Trigestis that my comment of "the best option not named Diomande or Barcola", is clearly a different and more specific thing than what Trigestis falsely accused me of saying?
Will you also give Trigestis a warning for seemingly trying to mock me for a viewpoint which I didn't even post?
I posted:
and I get an excitable, slightly mocking interjection from Trigestis saying:
Now mods, how can I politely - without sounding condescending - point out to Trigestis that my comment of "the best option not named Diomande or Barcola", is clearly a different and more specific thing than what Trigestis falsely accused me of saying?
Will you also give Trigestis a warning for seemingly trying to mock me for a viewpoint which I didn't even post?
At some point we need to consider whether we have enough upper-mid-table attackers and whether we should go all out for a top-table one.
The names like Rogers, Mane, and Ndiaye sound more of the Mbuemo / Cunha level. Which is fine if we have 2-3 in the squad, but we will end up with a Brentford/Wolves level attack at top whack prices if we're not careful. I put Amad in that same tier of player.
The names like Rogers, Mane, and Ndiaye sound more of the Mbuemo / Cunha level. Which is fine if we have 2-3 in the squad, but we will end up with a Brentford/Wolves level attack at top whack prices if we're not careful. I put Amad in that same tier of player.
Mate.. don't really know what to say to that. Very childish behaviour.
Back to the point; you said he was the best option not named Diomande or Barcola. Assuming they are not available (which you basically pointed out yourself), you're saying he is the best target other than those two. Which brings me to my post; is Rogers the best available player to play LW for us?
Guess we'll see what he can do in 15 minutes, got the chance to turn Villa's season into a very good one with a strong performance tonight.
If you’re going to play tit for tat rather than taking mod advice on board so that you can continue to post here, then it’s not going to end well. Take the advice and move on
Totally agree with you. This is my fear too. If, as universally agreed, we're not top tier yet, then we should only be looking for upgrades. Not bench options. Especially going into champions league. Unless we publicly declare that we don't have money and are only aiming for said level of forward line.
I'm just not fancying him for £80m!
Not going to lie....I'm beginning to get worried now that we're going to get Rogered!
Not going to lie....I'm beginning to get worried now that we're going to get Rogered!
In the right environment Rogers can become a top level player. Has that Michael Ballack about him.
I’d prefer a touchline winger though.
I’d prefer a touchline winger though.
Not even normal bench/rotation options, just a decent PL player for world class money!
We need to be smarter in our strategy, rather than just emptying our pockets on PL players then watching that team replace them with ease for vastly lower fees.
He's definitely someone who is very up and down in terms of form, however there's no doubting his ability
There are serious question mark over his actual ability to be honest , good enough for Europa level team with occasional Foray in Champions League absolutely beyond that seriously doubtful .
I also did not "point out myself" that "they are not available" - that's another false representation of my comment.
I do not know what their availability status is, and my comment does not state or imply they are unavailable - in fact they are counted as potentially being an "option". I've made numerous posts on here over the last 6 months or so saying that United should do whatever they can to try and sign Diomande.
PS I also said El Mala "could be similar" to Rogers - which you completely ignored.
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This reads like you’re worried about litigation.
Had a stinker today by all accounts.
He is a very hot / cold player. Not good or consistent enough for a team wanting to challange for the league.
good player.
has gone off the boil the last few weeks though
has gone off the boil the last few weeks though
Probably cause like Baleba, he has a move to Utd linked up.
He was really poor for the 70 minutes I watched. Hope we stay well clear of him in summer, £80m minimum would be a massive mistake.
Probably
God not this horrible rumour again
Youngest ever player to get a goal and assist in a Europa League final...
And some fans still don’t want him?
In theory I understand why the club see this as a perfect opportunity.
Just need to ship out Mason Mount if we can.
Just need to ship out Mason Mount if we can.
Because we don't need him and he would be very expensive
Him and Baleba are the cafes worst takes about him. I hope we get both of them.
Where would you play him?
Who says football teams that win really solely on 11 players?
I’d play him wherever someone across the front three is not playing well, be that Mbeumo, Cunha, Sesko or Amad?
I want elite competition for every position on the field and on the bench to represent this great team!
I’m absolutely fed up of players like Ugarte, Sancho, Mallacia, Zirkzee, and many others through the last decade stealing a living as a professional footballer and not backing themselves to be good enough to play but instead happy to sit on a bench, go out on loan!
Jadon Sancho has a Runner up Champions League Medal, Winners medal for Europa League and a winners European Conference medal in the last three years while we as a club have paid most of his £36m in wages over those three years !
Well, the priority for us right now is improving the starting eleven, especially in midfield, where we need three players.
Villa have secured champions league, so Rogers is going to cost a bomb. Splashing out £80m plus for bench players is not what we should be doing right now, when the starting eleven needs work.
Not sure what you are going on about loans. In case you have not noticed, Sancho has been out on loan in the last two seasons. Malacia has been out on loan, Zirkzee was wanted on loan by Serie A clubs, but we wanted to keep him until the summer. Ugarte was wanted by Turkish clubs in January, but again, we chose to keep him due to lack of numbers in CM.
He definitely doesn't pass the buck Rogers.