When you put it that way
I am starting to warm to this signing but doubt we'll have the budget left after midfield rebuild and hopefully left back too
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When you put it that way
I am starting to warm to this signing but doubt we'll have the budget left after midfield rebuild and hopefully left back too
We don’t have the budget for this wet dream to fill a role in the squad that we already have Cunha and Dorgu for. Unless he’s a fast dribbler which he’s not, there’s no logical space
Don't doubt he'd do well where ever he goes just a bit confusing to where he ends up because all the top teams have players who are better or at the very least as good in his position.
How would he fit in at Arsenal? They're even more stacked in the areas where Rogers plays than United are.
Yet some will still claim United have potential enough match winners in attacking areas to compete on multiple fronts.
Their LW is the only glaring weakness in their starting XI, so you'd assume that's where they see him
On the left I imagine, they have Trossard & Martinelli there so he'll have no trouble displacing them
Haven`t Trossard been pretty good for them?
He'd be better than Martinelli so I could see him starting for them relatively soon after
He’s an extremely useful squad player but not really someone they’d be happy with as an automatic starter.
He's saved them with some goals this season especially but week in week out he's not really the ideal level I don't think, not getting any younger either he'll be 32 this year.
Trossard is their super sub, he’s not a starter for me
This would be a shame because I rate Rodgers a lot and kind of would have liked United to keep an eye on him for the future.
It would also make Arsenal better
It would also make Arsenal better
The point is he doesn’t offer anything different. We need a CF to compete with Sesko and ideally a winger who can go on the outside to stretch the pitch
Cunha has been United's most effective wide forward recently. Being similar to him hardly seems a negative. If it's not broke?... It means Cunha can be rested and rotated.
No one would complain if United signed a younger replica of Bruno to rotate for him, because he's "supposedly too similar". When people say that Hall is like a younger Shaw, them being similar is likewise a plus, rather than seen as a negative.
Amad stretches the pitch on the right-hand side... and his output is rubbish...
I'm also not sure that signing Rogers would truly block United's ability to sign e.g. Mateta for £20mil.
Rogers at 80m surely swallows up a big chunk of our budget, and I don’t believe he’s worth 80m.
I understand your point about signing similar players and rotating them but for me it’s more important to have a range so that we can impact games if cutting inside isn’t working. Amad has not provided enough goals or assists from his position this season so ideally I’d like a ‘traditional’ winger that is capable of playing both sides or to switch mid-game. We don’t have this ability currently.
He's definitely worth 80 million in today's market. The home game against us alone showed that.
Look don’t get me wrong lads, I think Morgan is a very good player. But, at £80m it would have to be no as we have so many positions that need filled or competition added. IF he could be bought for a similar amount to Cunha or Mbeumo then I’d be more open to it.
And I’d still want a pacey traditional winger that can play both flanks
And I’d still want a pacey traditional winger that can play both flanks
If Gordon is worth that then he 100% is. Watched him a lot last year whilst Rashford was on loan and he does have that head down, does a bit too much some times about him but when it comes off he's fantastic to watch. Definitely has that xfactor about him that does seem to be dying out in football these days and he's shown he's reliable for 50+ games a year just a shame he's available now when we need a whole new midfield rebuild.
This definitely feels like it would've been a Fergie signing
Just a shame he's seemingly moving at a time where we have other glaring needs and have just heavily invested at his position just last summer. Quality homegrown player and great age/profile
Just a shame he's seemingly moving at a time where we have other glaring needs and have just heavily invested at his position just last summer. Quality homegrown player and great age/profile
We could go 442
———-Sesko
——-Cunha
Rogers - Fernandez - Mainoo - Bruno
Dropping Amad, Mbeumo and presumably Ederson on the bench
Solid looking & a stronger bench especially if you add a striker for competition like Mateta, Richarlison or Toney
And if we did go 442 its game on for the PL
———-Sesko
——-Cunha
Rogers - Fernandez - Mainoo - Bruno
Dropping Amad, Mbeumo and presumably Ederson on the bench
Solid looking & a stronger bench especially if you add a striker for competition like Mateta, Richarlison or Toney
And if we did go 442 its game on for the PL
Yeah we definitely have more glaring needs this summer, however like you say frustrating he goes to a rivalThis definitely feels like it would've been a Fergie signing
Just a shame he's seemingly moving at a time where we have other glaring needs and have just heavily invested at his position just last summer. Quality homegrown player and great age/profile
When does it not really work?...
As I've pointed out here on many occasions, and which no one has yet given a sensible answer to - if this was such a desirable and valuable alternative tactic, then why do none of the most successful sides in the world in recent years (Arsenal, City, Liverpool, PSG, Bayern etc.) regularly use as a plan B a left-sided winger on the left (or right-sided on the right)? It's basically never bothered with, and none of the top wingers in the world are players who play on the same side as their favoured foot.
The only players who could do that fully in the manner you describe and apparently desire are those who are so two-footed it basically makes no difference to them. The only player like that really on the market is Diomande.
It is interesting though you turn your nose up at Rogers for this as well (though he is very right footed). Rogers has actually played a not insignificant 18 times for Villa on the right flank, where he is more of a passer/crosser of the ball (as opposed to his cut-inside and finish merchanting from the left), and has racked 9 assists and 1 goal in that time (an assist or goal every 149 minutes). Not too shabby...
This would be a shame because I rate Rodgers a lot and kind of would have liked United to keep an eye on him for the future.
It would also make Arsenal better
They benefited from some real dodgy officiating at crucial points this season. They won't be so lucky next term when officials will be looking closely at their shithouse tactics on corner kicks.
They were incredibly lucky to secure the PL title.
If you continue reading you’ll see that I haven’t “turned my nose up”, I acknowledge that he’s a good player but the price is a huge sticking point for me when we need to do so much work this window
Well you "turn your nose up" to the degree that you say you'd at least prefer another style of winger - one which barely exists in this day and age.
If you read what I wrote i said that id still like to add a traditional winger. And there are still plenty out there. For example that young lad from the Balkans that I linked in the LW thread
Would give a bunch of options. Look how Ancelotti make use of Cunha as a type of center forward; would not be surprised if Carrick picked up on that in certain type of games.
Furthermore, Bruno is two years older than Salah. Three years older than KdB. When did these players decline? For how much longer can we expect Bruno at 32 to play every game?
Morgan Rogers is probably not our number one priority. But he would be very useful both short and longer term. Will probably be difficult to pull of in competition with Campos and Arteta.
Don’t think there’s any world where that balance works and I wouldn’t be dropping Mbeumo just because of his recent lack of confidence.
He’s an Arsenal type signing tbh. A guy who’s very good on his day but likely that’s his ceiling.
He also seems mainly a "cut inside" winger though, no?
He does at least seem to have a decent left foot though.
Rogers is only 23. He's the youngest ever player to get a goal+assist in a Europa League final. He's the top-scoring English player in the PL 23 and under. How can you say for sure "that's his ceiling"? He's still 2 years off his peak.
Yeah would love to have him and that tricky winger with pace capable of playing both sides but it's unrealistic
He is just too similar to Cunha for this to be a justifiable allocation of budget. It’s a shame because he is a top quality prospect, but you can’t have them all.
I do not see it with him, he blows hot and cold. He is a brilliant finisher, but his overall game is currently not at 80M pound player. He is easy to mark out of the game, if you know what i mean. Plus I strongly feel, we need a direct pacy winger like Dorku or Barcola or any of the wingers PSG and Bayern have. We need players who can beat defenders from a standing position. Barcola would be a terrific addition.
Every time I watched Rogers, he seems like a second striker. He rarely drop deep helping the fullbacks.
By watching him tbh. Just a gut instinct. He’s playing at a very good level, it’s not a knock on him. I’m not convinced he’s going to go much above where he’s at now even though he’s young. A very good player that I don’t believe will become world class. There’s loads of them and it’s never a knock on those players.
If he moves at all this summer, it’ll be to Arsenal I feel like. We don’t need him.
Would fit them like a glove.
Yeah could definitely see him going there after World Cup
Can't see the logic in this tbh. If 80 million is the come to the table figure, he'll end up costing more than that, especially if Villa are selling to a team they'll be directly competing against. In that case, we have too many holes in the squad to spend that much on a player to rotate with Cunha, and suddenly dropping Cunha to a squad player role isn't happening either. He's not playing on the right full time and obviously he's not coming here to back up Bruno and never play. The only way I can see him fitting in the rotation is if Cunha transitions to center forward and rotates with Sesko, but that's also unlikely. The other left wingers we've been linked with recently, Leao, Ezzalzouli and Fernandez-Pardo make a lot more sense from a squad building perspective.
City, Arsenal, PSG..
Have they not seen his stats?