Rogers had 18 goal contributions in his first full season in the league (no penalties), and he's on 13 so far. Those are usually Bruno like numbers if you exclude his penalties. He has been poor recently, but it was not a purple patch. He's still only 23, so a lot of room for improvement, but obviously not worth £80m. He is also being played all across the frontline instead of his favoured position every game so I guess it affects his performances somewhat.
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But the argument about room for development is just a little part of the argument.
Man Utd hand most players a 5+1 contract. If you do that to a player aged 27 like Eze or 26 like Mbeumo his resale value is very likely basically zero with one or two years left. That is very different for the player aged 24. If the player is still important at the age of 28, you are in a strong position to extend and get a few more years. A player at 24 give you potentially 8 to 9 years. All else being equal, £80 mill is very likely much less than £70 mill for players aged 26 and 27.
Regarding your assesment of Mbeumo and Eze I just dont agree. Rogers has consistently been a key player for 2,5 years for a top six side in England. Eze and Mbeumo had been the same for, mostly, quite average teams. And I think Rogers is a player with a significantly higher ceiling than Mbeumo and probably Eze. Rogers skillset is rare and very attractive. Man Utd faced competition from Spurs and Newcastle for Mbeumo. I expect teams like Arsenal and Chelsea to give Man Utd competition for Rogers. Maybe even a few clubs from abroad.
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Historically we do not sell well, so we should not worry about resale value, getting younger players has the benefit of them staying longer (if they are good enough), for example, we got Yoro for £60M, as a 18 yo, we hope that he stays long and is gets better and better (Best case scenario is that he is still at the club until or beyond 2036, being a great defender for us), if he does not develop, his age means nothing as we will never get anything near £60M we paid for him, and the only time we will sell him with a profit is when he becomes so good that a team like Madrid breaks the bank for him and offer us 100M for example, we will profit indeed but lose a top player in the process.
We just don't need him.
Read the next two sentences then.
The only way this would would make sense of we were at the level of Arsenal with our squad and needed more strength in depth as we are expected to go deep into all the competitions. We arent anywhere near Arsenal. We dont have an established starting XI with PL winning potential that needs backups in each position.
On a side note, remember when Moussa Dembele from Fulham was converted from a striker into a CM. He was outstanding as a CM for spurs.
Wonder if Utd see the same in Rodgers, that he could become a CM. The Rodgers link has only come out after the alleged news that City would win the race for Anderson.
Maybe Utd have assessed the other no8 options and thought he could be a very good CM?
Or I'm overthinking this and they are assessing him for the left wing.
On a side note, remember when Moussa Dembele from Fulham was converted from a striker into a CM. He was outstanding as a CM for spurs.
Wonder if Utd see the same in Rodgers, that he could become a CM. The Rodgers link has only come out after the alleged news that City would win the race for Anderson.
Maybe Utd have assessed the other no8 options and thought he could be a very good CM?
Or I'm overthinking this and they are assessing him for the left wing.
I think he's great but feels like one of those players that you'd bring in to complement an already set up team to add to it rather than bringing in to a side to build it up to that level so to speak.
Totally agree like Eze signing for arsenal
I really hope Carrick has seen our midfield do well without Dorgu tucking in and will not bother with that anymore. I mean, I get why he'd want that, Ten Hag and Amorim basically lost their jobs for not fixing the midfield, but still. I cannot accept a Manchester United Manager wanting to play a fullback at the wings.
I probably sound like a grinch at the moment coming into most threads and poo-pooing the players in question for the prices quoted, but I feel it’s extremely important that the market is given zero incentive from us to go bonkers and distort even more than it has done. You quoted other players that went for too much and I actually agree with your point, but at the same time, body of work, consistency and even maturity are of great importance when fees go above a certain threshold unless you’re talking about s-tier, must-have talent that breaks the normalised standard and can even set precedence; the likes of Dowman or Gabriel in England if they continue their rate of improvement exponentially.
You mention Yoro - before he came here, he was s-tier banded and that’s why Madrid were wanting to take him directly for a sizeable fee that we top-trumped to pay even more. S-tier talent is not going to be framed as other tiers are. In the case of Rogers, he most reminds of Bale, not for the game he has, but for the prominence due to scoring a spate of world class goals, unlike Bale, it’s been a moment in time, not the standard fare - if it stands to reason that that may become his mean, it’s a [very] different story to what we have now. Other clubs who aren’t states or stupid (City, PSG and Chelsea) being in for him and entertaining massive risk would better set the market as per his valuation; for the former, it just doesn’t matter and for the latter, it’s just petrol on a fire . The calibre of other clubs willing to pay obscene amounts will say a lot.
£80m is a lottt of money and should go a very long way if used correctly on the right player. I wonder how many prodigious talents across Europe could be had for £80m.
He wouldn't be a priority for me at the moment. Looks a good player, but would likely play a similar position to Cunha in our set up, and we would need a new left back to get the best out of both playing from there. Too many other priorities to fill this summer, to stump up the money needed for Rogers too, I would think.
Fairly irrational signing and not a good enough player to overlook that.
Yeah would be basically a more expensive second Cunha.
Would be better to get an out and out winger
We obviously rate him very differently. I think Morgan Rogers is a talent that is and will develop to be much more than just an «output player». Furthermore, it was not just Mbeumo and Eze that went for «top much». In fact, looking at the fee of Elanga and Gittens players like Semenyo, Mbeumo, Cunha and Eze almost felt cheap.
Yes, you could argue that Man Utd should avoid this market. We should not buy players from the PL or other CL—clubs. Buy from Eredivise, Portugal, Scandinavia, Balkan and South America. Funny thing, that is starting to become quite expensive aswell. And it comes with a certain risk aswell.
I get that you don’t like Morgan Rogers. But a fee of £80 mill for a 24 year old who is probably the highest rated attacker at a club who have been a top six PL side for three seasons in a row should really not come as a surprise. There was people in here last summer advocating for us to spend more than £100 mill on a very inconsistent and hyped 21 year old DM at an average PL side!
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I don’t like Morgan Rogers at an absurdly OTT valuation, is the fairer thing to say. And £80m, you can tempt even top clubs to sell. The going rate for alright players shouldn’t be encouraged, or exacerbated.
Rinse? I think we'd have taken 30m for Martinez last summer, his wages were the issue. Watkins would also be way less than the 40m Arsenal were attempting to pay in Jan 2025.
For me Rogers is 100m player based on the fees nowadays. Similar to Isak in that his athletic build is perfect for modern game where you need short bursts of athleticism to win tight games. Yes he lacks consistency but he's still going to hit double figures again this season and hardly ever misses a game injured.
Feels like he'll end up at Chelsea eventually given all the noise in last 12 months. I'd like to think though if we get CL he'll stay one more season and we'll just sell others to get up to the 60m target to meet the UEFA requirements.
Villa probably have to sell and make a profit to avoid sanctions from the UEFA. Looking at their squad, very few players can give them a significant profit.
Don't think we are or will be genuinely interested in him. It's paper or agent talk. Simply tagging our name to drive up interest.
Wasn't the figure around 60m for Watkins a year ago?
Rogers is your most valuable asset so I wouldn't blame you for holding out for 100m, especially if you think you can strike up a bidding war between Chelsea and Arsenal. I just don't think he's what we need right now, as I'd rather we went for a more direct LW instead of another Cunha who is prone to drifting centrally.
His age and potential come in play. There will be clubs looking at him and his purple patch and wondering, if he can start to replicate that week in, week out...
That is when a player becomes world class or elite, when they regularly perform at a 8 of out 10 or higher.
Alot of money is squandered on potential.
Plus inflation in football and PL club to club "tax" in particular also has to be taken into account. Everything even outside of football costs more. Have you seen the price of a Audi RS3? £80,000 for a hatchback car.
It could all be agent driven. Or Utd might be looking at the fact we are so reliant on Bruno that we will need to rest him for games next season and both Cunha and Rodgers could play at no10 and also at no11.
Plus it fits in with general INEOS model of buying PL proven players. The lad at Leipzig, diomande that people rave about is still a kid and will have a learning and development phase to go through.
Don't forget, Utd have a habit of speaking to multiple players for a single position. Last year we had discussions with Semenyo and Mbeumo. So its probably the same this year.
Can I ask a question, as a Villa fan do you think Rodgers could be played as a no 8 ? I haven't seen enough of him play to know if he would be successful in a deeper position in midfield.
I don't see it for £80 - 100m.
If we're spending that much on players, they need to be Centre Mids. Another attacker who's going to contribute 5 - 10 assists and the occasional long ranger banger doesn't really improve the team all that much.
If we're spending that much on players, they need to be Centre Mids. Another attacker who's going to contribute 5 - 10 assists and the occasional long ranger banger doesn't really improve the team all that much.
Yeah I don't see the Man. United link either unless Bruno is genuinely leaving but I'd say the last three months have greatly receded that option. And no guarantee Carrick will get your job full time either.
That's something Amorim would do....
Nah when he first joined two years ago we first played him on the left as Jacob Ramsey replacement and he did well there. However from 2024 season he's either been playing as AM or last January when we signed Marcos Asensio on loan we moved him to right midfield for three months but he was pretty rubbish there.
To me Rogers is the sort you continue with as AM but try to coach him out of turning over the ball so quickly as he does give it away a fair bit when it isn't needed.
I actually really like him but would surely be too early for all parties. We have Bruno in the form of his life and he doesn’t have a whole lot of experience under his belt so would be best to stay at Villa another year under Emery. He’s a saleable asset though
Rogers doesn’t even compare to Bruno. Bruno is a leader, even when he’s having an off day he drags the team through the trenches, and obviously his stats are a joke
Rogers goes missing too often. Technically class, but not a player we need, and certainly not someone who can directly replace Bruno
Rogers goes missing too often. Technically class, but not a player we need, and certainly not someone who can directly replace Bruno
If Chelsea pay 100m for Rogers, it would be absolute insanity.
I could see Palmer leaving in a year or two so think they'll be space for him. Also there's a Man. City academy link with one of their recruiters which is why the Chelsea link keeps popping up every few months.
Rogers also changed agency last month which we usually see when a player is thinking of moving on. CAA Base are massively involved with Spurs but no interest there obviously:
https://www.footballagencies.com/ne...-in-talks-as-aston-villa-star-eyes-next-step/
Looks like primarily left wing looking for, for Rogers
If you could get him Ndiaye would be a great fit for your team imo. Although he's played pretty much every game for Everton from the right this season but then you could have Mbuemo central or rotational option.
Would put Amad in a very strange position. And Mbeumo won't accept rotation, I don't think.
This season is very much a one off. I mean you're literally going weeks doing absolutely nothing but jollies in Dublin seemingly.
Next season you'll be back to probably 60 game season with CL and better cup runs so they'll be more injuries and rotation. Mbuemo won't accept rotation is pretty wild when he dosen't struck me as temperamental character. Cunha was benched for Carrick's first few games and responded in the way needed.
Probably overthinking a bit, bud, but who knows. I'd say left wing or eventually a '10'/AM, would be my bet. I just don't think you pay this type of high value for a player (a value derived almost exclusively from his current position/identity as an attacker) if your plan is to convert him to an almost untested position. That would be a huge gamble.
IMO, you'd try the Dembele experiment either with a) cheap'ish/affordable punts or b) when a player's already somewhat "failed" in his primary position and you're desperate, you experiment and shift them around a bit (Joelinton).
I say all this without checking what Spurs actually paid for Dembele as well. Was he a cheap'ish punt? Wasn't Modric also bought when he was initially thriving as a AM?
I have a feeling and it’s only a feeling that we can’t get or do not wish to ruin the Squad morale with a £300-350k per week new midfielder and that Wilcox and his cronies are looking for three, yes three, not two midfielders that are all under £65m.
I believe the club are actively now looking at this so they can make Rogers or Palmer our marquee move, simply because they are both rumoured to be a huge United fans.
The club probably has a £250m budget maximum provided they reach CL and recoup £100m in player sales. I Genuinely think we are playing the waiting game with multiple midfielders?
For example if West Ham Go down, United might think we can get Mateus Fernandes for maybe £30-35m as he has a relegation release clause in his contract, if Spurs go down we might pivot to pick up Archie Gray Cheap. Ugarte and Casemiro are both definitely going.
United are not buying Elliot Anderson for £80-110m, they are not buying Tonali for £80-100m with his wage request of £300k per week.
They might well look at Wharton if he’s available for £60-65m and £150k per week wages, they may look at Carlos Baleba if he’s available at £60m and £100k per week, they might look at Stiller for £50m and £125k per week.
I genuinely see the midfield overhaul looking more like Carlos Baleba, Mateus Fernandes and Joao Gomes or Camavinga with the total spend being more frugal like
£145-155m with combined wages being £375,000 per week rather than £500,000 per week of Casemiro and Ugarte.
If you look at the yearly accounts and providing we get £25m for Ugarte then that transfer becomes neutral as we still probably owe PSG £25m on the player.
So instead of costing United £18.5m for Ugarte with wages and transfer fees every season this becomes neutral and then when you factor in Casemiro £17.5m wages savings for next season you have a saving yearly of £36m in the midfield area.
Signing Mateus Fernandes at £35m, Stiller at £50m and Baleba £65m that’s £150m on transfer fees over 5 years which is £30m per year in transfers on the books and then an added £17.5m per year on wages, if you also factor in that Christian Eriksen was never truly replaced and his wages were £180,000 per week, then the club is finally trying to purchase a sensible midfield rebuild which actually has financial room for one more marquee Player later in the winter transfer window!
Now for Morgan Rogers, United need more physicality, a left winger, a true understudy to Bruno and England’s next talisman, the two choices are Palmer and Rogers, losing out on Anderson will be spun that he doesn’t offer enough Goals and Assists for a highly inflated value of £100m but Morgan Rogers does and he will be viewed as a direct replacement for Marcus Rashford who, providing is sold for £26m would represent 100% profit and with his huge wages of £16-17m per year off the books, this would a huge create financial opportunity.
United will want one marquee English transfer to join, especially if they are returning to the Champions League!
Morgan Rogers might cost £100m or £20m per year in transfer fees and £10m per year in wages that transfer financials costs would be completely covered by Marcus Rashford leaving in the summer.
I would hazard a guess that Cole Palmer at £125m and £250k wages per week would also be covered by Rashford’s departure.
United are not going to act this summer in an obvious way but a far more opportunistic way.
I believe the club are actively now looking at this so they can make Rogers or Palmer our marquee move, simply because they are both rumoured to be a huge United fans.
The club probably has a £250m budget maximum provided they reach CL and recoup £100m in player sales. I Genuinely think we are playing the waiting game with multiple midfielders?
For example if West Ham Go down, United might think we can get Mateus Fernandes for maybe £30-35m as he has a relegation release clause in his contract, if Spurs go down we might pivot to pick up Archie Gray Cheap. Ugarte and Casemiro are both definitely going.
United are not buying Elliot Anderson for £80-110m, they are not buying Tonali for £80-100m with his wage request of £300k per week.
They might well look at Wharton if he’s available for £60-65m and £150k per week wages, they may look at Carlos Baleba if he’s available at £60m and £100k per week, they might look at Stiller for £50m and £125k per week.
I genuinely see the midfield overhaul looking more like Carlos Baleba, Mateus Fernandes and Joao Gomes or Camavinga with the total spend being more frugal like
£145-155m with combined wages being £375,000 per week rather than £500,000 per week of Casemiro and Ugarte.
If you look at the yearly accounts and providing we get £25m for Ugarte then that transfer becomes neutral as we still probably owe PSG £25m on the player.
So instead of costing United £18.5m for Ugarte with wages and transfer fees every season this becomes neutral and then when you factor in Casemiro £17.5m wages savings for next season you have a saving yearly of £36m in the midfield area.
Signing Mateus Fernandes at £35m, Stiller at £50m and Baleba £65m that’s £150m on transfer fees over 5 years which is £30m per year in transfers on the books and then an added £17.5m per year on wages, if you also factor in that Christian Eriksen was never truly replaced and his wages were £180,000 per week, then the club is finally trying to purchase a sensible midfield rebuild which actually has financial room for one more marquee Player later in the winter transfer window!
Now for Morgan Rogers, United need more physicality, a left winger, a true understudy to Bruno and England’s next talisman, the two choices are Palmer and Rogers, losing out on Anderson will be spun that he doesn’t offer enough Goals and Assists for a highly inflated value of £100m but Morgan Rogers does and he will be viewed as a direct replacement for Marcus Rashford who, providing is sold for £26m would represent 100% profit and with his huge wages of £16-17m per year off the books, this would a huge create financial opportunity.
United will want one marquee English transfer to join, especially if they are returning to the Champions League!
Morgan Rogers might cost £100m or £20m per year in transfer fees and £10m per year in wages that transfer financials costs would be completely covered by Marcus Rashford leaving in the summer.
I would hazard a guess that Cole Palmer at £125m and £250k wages per week would also be covered by Rashford’s departure.
United are not going to act this summer in an obvious way but a far more opportunistic way.
Are you saying you didn’t like what you saw of Dorgu on the left wing?
I liked reading this post. Can’t wait for the rumour mill to kick in this season.
Yildiz is one of my favorite players in Europe. Not sure he’s the profile we need but he’s so absurdly good that I would still take him and figure it out after. There’s 0 chance we can sign him though, absolutely none.
Good story. Based on nothing, but that’s not the point of speculation.
Let’s see where we are when the window closes.
My best is that you aren’t even close, and that’s just backside there are far too many variables and interdependencies on what happens at other clubs, both in the PL and abroad.
I just don’t believe what the media is pushing, SJR is in hurry, us not a stupid man and if he could would drive to Harry Kane in Germany, himself and offer him a kings ransom.
He’s an Anglophile and wants more English young players, Rogers or Palmer are the types of players that Carrick, Wilcox and SJR want in rebuilding United as the club that all the best British Talent should want to play for.
If the new stadium is a definite Go and might be open summer 2031 then this is a huge draw for players like Palmer/Rogers/Wharton/Anderson they would be 28-29 at that time, reaching their peak, playing football at arguably the best stadium in the World.
Add some of those players to Shea Lacey, A Ibragimov, J J Gabriel, N Ajayi, G Kukonki all have a great chance as well. I’d say we are starting to look a lot better at youth level than we have in ages.
All the media stories are based on little to nothing, the only variable is Do United make CL, if so does the player that United want wish to come to United just like last year, Mbeumo, Cunha and Sesko all wanted to come to United, I’m not so sure Anderson or Tonali really do?