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Morgan Rogers
- Thread starter Tom Van Persie
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He's not what you spend stupid money on, that much should be clear.
Thinks he's better than he is.
Weren't the whole of the Villa team crap?
Cunha can not play every minute of every game, especially with United in Europe next season. Even now he already struggles to maintain his intensity for the full 90. Both could also double-up in the 10 role if needed.
He had 8 goals 10 assists in the PL last season, and has 9 goals 5 assists in the PL so far this season - that's more G+A contributions than any United player this season bar Bruno. He has a decent record in Europe as well.
And all of this vy the age of 23. He can still kick on even further.
He's a very good player who has the 'x factor' on his day. He's in a bit of bad form at the moment, but so are all of Villa - that doesn't eradicate his still impressive record in the last couple of seasons. There's not much to separate him from the likes of Semenyo and Eze, and he's the kind of player it's very useful for a top side to have in their squad.
£80-100m...£80-100m.
No thank you.
No thank you.
And yet both went for less; reasonable rates for their overall game, which he currently sorely lacks.
He'll have to have consistency and far better overall game to be worth anything like touted. If he's not scoring screamers, he's mostly anonymous and below par. He's not one of the wunderkinds who are so outstanding they'll look like they're destined for the top with practically they're every action. In fact, if he's not scoring screamers, it's easy to wonder what Villa think they're doing pricing him out of the market.
He's far from a sure thing upon a move up for me. Perhaps his game rounds out and the spectacular goals are just an intrinsic part of his game, perhaps he doesn't and his game doesn't round out. I'd not want us to be putting down £80m+ to find out.
Profile doesnt make sense. We need a LW with a left foot who can give us another dimension. I was hoping the Amad experiment would work last week but that was a bit of a disappointment.
And three years younger (two at the time for transfer) and produced for what have been a top PL-team for most of his time there.
I agree that we should not go for Rogers over someone like Diomande. Everyone can agree on that. But he is a really talented player. Technically and physically. Also has a good attitude on the pitch. I suspect that he will look alot bett for in the next team. Villa and Emery is a weird team. I dont think any of their attackers look really good.
Not sure if he would be the correct option for Man Utd, but we will have to start thinking about finding an option for Bruno. Bruno needs to play less, and maybe even move further back in the pitch as he is approaching 32. Would probably prefer Kroupi (more risk/reward). I really like Damsgaard too, but he would be abit more like for like.
Jason Burt from Telegraph, in a article about Utd interest in M Fernandes from West Ham says the following about Morgan Rodgers
"Manchester United are also interested in Aston Villa’s Morgan Rogers, who has been earmarked as their captain’s long-term successor as a No 10 but can also play on the left, where United are looking to strengthen."
Surely there are better players to take Brunos no10 role eventually...
"Manchester United are also interested in Aston Villa’s Morgan Rogers, who has been earmarked as their captain’s long-term successor as a No 10 but can also play on the left, where United are looking to strengthen."
Surely there are better players to take Brunos no10 role eventually...
Came into this thread to say exactly this but you already did.
I think he's a good player and a good signing for the price Villa paid for him. Not for the prices being mentioned about now.
Decent player, but nowhere near the silly Villa valuations
No thanks
No thanks
Kroupi is even less of a winger than Rogers. He's not much of an AM really. He's a slightly odd player in that all he really does is finish - a bit like an even slower, even less dribbly Mbeumo. I'm not entirely convinced about his upside potential yet. Rogers has a more rounded skillset.
I don't think Damsgaard is quite elite enough to be Bruno's replacement; United should be aiming a bit higher really.
Cunha will be the 10 surely. Ideally I think we find someone more with out and out pace for LW.
I've not watched Villa a lot. What is his work rate like? I can't imagine this being a sensible option given the likely exorbitant fee and the absolute requirement to fix midfield and defense first.
If Burt is to be believed Rogers, Fernandes and Baleba would be a very good window. Roger’s can cover the 10 and out wide can also do a job deeper.
I’d rather we just moved away from the #10 role after Bruno. 433 please.
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What an incredibly boring and underwhelming signing this would be. He is a good player but very inconsistent and we already have Cunha who is a similar but better player. Spending nearly half our budget would be horrendous business. The last position we need to fill, and no, he's not a LW.
Half our budget. He’d cost £80 million, and the club is going to spend around £250 million this summer, I’d say. Hackney would be £25 million with one year left on his contract if Middlesbrough don’t go up a nice third option. Baleba would cost £65 million. Fernandes, if West Ham go down, has a release clause of £40 million, and Hall at £65 million brings us to £275 million.
We're likely not spending £275m. I can't remember which thread it was but it was a tweet that said our budget is around £200m.
More importantly, why would you want to sign him, especially at that price? What does he contribute that our players in his position don't?
Considering we spent 232 million pounds last summer without UCL football, and Casemiro, Rashford, Sancho, Rasmus, Heaton, Malacia and others all on our books, of which 5 of those 6 are gone before we even get into talking I highly doubt it be less then last year.
He is not better than Cunha, overrated and overhyped. I'm not sure there are any Villa players I'd take at United, maybe Kamara if he could stop getting injured.
I just don't understand the interest in him, unless Bruno is going. We've already got Cunha that plays from the left and always wants to come inside, we don't need another of the same profile.
This would strike me as an inefficient use of funds.
Worrying about Bruno successor when he's still here and playing the best he's ever played seems unnecessary.
The idea of players who "can do a job" out wide I'm not a fan of, we already have one of them in Cunha, if we want a wide option, sign an actual winger.
Even as a 10, I'm not a fan of this type of attacker in this role, I prefer a creative passer who plays the game more like a midfielder than an attacker.
Worrying about Bruno successor when he's still here and playing the best he's ever played seems unnecessary.
The idea of players who "can do a job" out wide I'm not a fan of, we already have one of them in Cunha, if we want a wide option, sign an actual winger.
Even as a 10, I'm not a fan of this type of attacker in this role, I prefer a creative passer who plays the game more like a midfielder than an attacker.
I don’t get why we’re linked to him at all. We don’t need this profile
If we lost Bruno, I'd rather Cunha play in that role and sign an out and out actual winger.
Maybe he wants a move/ new contract.
Makes no sense to me, either.
Is Cunha a better player? I really like Cunha, love his attitude actually, but Roger’s is a very good player also who can make things happen and there’s no harm having a few of those in your squad.
He’d be the type of signing City used to make to keep them ticking over as winners, big money yes, but similar to Grealish, as long as they deliver in the first season or two, and you win some big championships no one will care.
We're all obviously missing something here, cause it seems like none of us see it. It's not like with Baleba or Tonali where some do rate them as players. With Rodgers none of seem to see him as the right fit.
The only thing I can think, is that Utd don't want to rely on Bruno and Cunha exclusively next season when we have 60+ games and Rodgers covers two birds with one stone. Can fill in for Cunha and Bruno (albeit not at the same level).
Anyway if villa get CL football I can't see this happening.
Rather we spent abit extra and got the dimonde kid from germany in, who everyone is raving about.
Who are you even talking about?... His name is Rogers, not "Rodgers". It's right there in the thread title!
Once again your reading ability fails you.
PS - if you actually read this thread, you would have also seen that I rate him, and would not be against United signing him if Diomande or Barcola are not gettable.
Exactly this, spend half that on a promising kid from France.
Rogers like Cunha are very similar - quasi wide forward/CF. Neither player is a Bruno (true creative 10) in style or substance.
Not nearly creative enough to serve as Bruno’s replacement.
Not nearly creative enough to serve as Bruno’s replacement.
He's clearly being shipped out. Doesn't Villa still have some PSR issues ? They are trying to bait a big club to drop 80M when he's nowhere near worth that valuation.
Getting him out and bringing in Wilson for free from Fulham even if they're not the same profile would be good business for them.
Don’t see how a Bruno replacement that’s a poor passer works, either.
Hardly worth effort really, unless Rogers have been offered to us at a knock down price of course.
Who really can replace Bruno? Fermin Lopez?
I think we replace Bruno by switching to midfield 3.
I think we might make a big play for Bellingham next season, or whenever Bruno wants to go.
That'll be tough, despite criticism he's one of the few that fights for Madrid when things get tough.
For £80mil though? Surely there are better options out there if Utd want to start looking at someone to take Brunos role eventually (which I thought would be Cunha).Who are you even talking about?... His name is Rogers, not "Rodgers". It's right there in the thread title!
Once again your reading ability fails you.
PS - if you actually read this thread, you would have also seen that I rate him, and would not be against United signing him if Diomande or Barcola are not gettable.
The lad at Juventus Yildiz, has been mentioned on here before as a potential creative outlet who could move into a no10 role as he gets older. I'm only going by what people on here have said about him, as I've never seen him play. Though plan to at world cup.
Yeah, Mainoo-DM-#8 is how I'm guessing the midfield will shake out post-Bruno. Mainoo is the likeliest member of the midfield and he seems perfect for a 4-3-3 as the LCM, with someone sitting behind him and another #8 on the right, like Alex Scott for instance.