Initially it was a combination of his knees and suspensions, then it was the cruciate injury. I don't remember him ever really being dropped, Fergie always absolutely loved him. Well, until he didn't...
Most Common Starting XI for Every Premier League Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Best team from all of the above combined....
Van Der Sar
Neville Rio Vidic Evra
Scholes Carrick
Beckham Rooney Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy
What I'd give to see that happen... even in 2020. Whilst they can still all run.
*Just realised I made up that Beckham was in the list. But it's Beckham so he's in.
Van Der Sar
Neville Rio Vidic Evra
Scholes Carrick
Beckham Rooney Ronaldo
Van Nistelrooy
What I'd give to see that happen... even in 2020. Whilst they can still all run.
*Just realised I made up that Beckham was in the list. But it's Beckham so he's in.
I see. Noted, that's fair, no worries. Cheers for making this thread.I'm holding out on the possibility of 19/20 eventually being finished; there's still 9 league games to go plus potential Europa/FA cup games. Which could for instance, be the difference between including Bruno Fernandez or Andreas Periera
In answer to your other question, the answer is a little of both. I've used appearance records for each season, but as I said in my OP, I'm not just interested in how many appearances each individual player had, but how frequently the same players played together on the team sheet, in order to get an idea of the most common "shape" of the side each season.
Take 2010/11 as an example. Rooney and Berbatov have almost an equal amount of starts; by rights, I should keep them both and not even mention Hernandez, who has less starts but more overall appearances when you include him coming off the bench. In addition to that, there's a distinctive shift around February/March during the CL knockouts when after months of Rooney/Berba, you get Rooney/Hernandez and almost never see Berba again. Which is what is represented by the fact that I've gone with Rooney as a constant (though he admittedly also dropped out of the side for a month), and Berba/Hernandez.
In short, it's not an exact science, no.
Yeah, Bruno's appearances is still low in numbers.Thanks for the great works.12/13
I tried to carry on, but the Moyes season is such a complete shambles (pretty much a different back four every game) that I gave up. I can't even begin to imagine how hard LVG's first year would be as well. Both managers were insanely indecisive, no wonder we were shite.
Bored, decided to have a go continuing your work, following your "system".
13/14 (Moyes era)
CBs and RB are shambles.
Mata and Fellaini are interestingly not among the top 11 highest no of minutes, nor does Young.
Mata and Fellaini are interestingly not among the top 11 highest no of minutes, nor does Young.
14/15 (LVG era)
15/16
Don't ask. It's a mess.
15/16
16/17 (Mou era.. Age of Zlatan)
17/18 (Mou era)
18/19 (early half)
Earlier --> Later
17/18 (Mou era)
Earlier --> Later
18/19 (early half)
18/19 (Ole's at the wheel)
19/20
When the midfielders were out injured, it turns into Fred-McTominay. Dalot also played as RM/RW.
19/20
Mainly no. of minutes, also the one that have high appearances despite low minutes eg. Lingard and Greenwood, also made strong impression eg. Williams.
06/07 Evra is definitely more regular than Heinze. Evra is taking Heinze spot is probably the reason why he was clashing with SAF and joined Real next following season.
09/10 WTF is Evans doing in there?
10/11 is definitely wrong there. It's actually midfield of Nani/Valencia - Carrick - Giggs - Park.
11/12 I think it's more of a Kagawa/Welbeck or may be even Young.
14/15 Well. This is difficult as LVG changed his formation half of the season but isn't it the reason why Di Maria was so upset because he had to sit on the bench over Ashley Young.
I'm sorry but this is a train wreck of a post. Have you fact-checked any of this?
Heinze has more appearances than Evra in 06/07 (granted some may have come at CB).
Evans has the most appearances of any CB in 2009/10 bar Vidic (Rio had injury problems and suffered from losing his pace this year, was dropped for a while by SAF).
Valencia was injured right at the start of 10/11 only came back in the last few months (8 league starts); meanwhile Nani was our player of the season. Fletcher also started more frequently than Carrick, Giggs or Park.
2011/12 - Kagawa wasn't signed till the following season; what are you talking about??? Welbeck also almost exclusively played up front that season and also had a long period injured.
2014/15 is very complicated, but Young played most of the season at left back/wing-back, and only moved to LW over the last 10 or so games after Di Maria's form fell off a cliff.
So that makes Evra himself makes more appearances as LB than Heinze. And Evra himself had more appearances in the league.
How much difference of appearances? It's not like more than 10 appearances which shouldn't take away that Rio would have been the common choice.
Valencia out for half season. As soon as he came back from injury, both Nani & Valencia end up being rotated again, Nani was being superb in first half of the season was the main reason of his individual award. Giggs made his most appearances in CM though.
You have no consistency because in 10/11 Giggs was almost exclusively played as CM not LW. And now that Welbeck much more appearances & involved in big games more than Kagawa, you chose to take him off. Welbeck played some of his game on the left as well.
06/07
I just realize.The 14/15 season was quite a mess. We started with 3-5-2 then we changed it to 4-4-2 diamond. We hadn't been consistent with our formation until 4-1-4-1 worked for us at the later stage of the season. Nonetheless, Herrera hadn't played in the holding role for us at all before Mourinho put him there.14/15 (LVG era)
Don't ask. It's a mess.
15/16
^ Yes, it was a mess @hmchan
Did my best to set-up one most "congruent" lineup of players that mainly played the most.
Late season 14/15 Herrera did at least once or twice, when we had plenty of midfielders out injured/low fitness - he's the only choice left for holding midfield role (Blind became LB during those times). We even had to put Mata and Rooney as midfielders then. Ander did well.
Was it something like this?
Did my best to set-up one most "congruent" lineup of players that mainly played the most.
Late season 14/15 Herrera did at least once or twice, when we had plenty of midfielders out injured/low fitness - he's the only choice left for holding midfield role (Blind became LB during those times). We even had to put Mata and Rooney as midfielders then. Ander did well.
Was it something like this?
Rooney - Mata
Herrera
iircHerrera
Keane was always first choice from memory, just injuries.
That season could be divided into many periods. van Gaal started with 3-5-2 and different combinations in the midfield. I betted he wasn't sure what he was doing either so it wasn't really worth discussing.
Then came the period of 4-4-2 diamond with Blind in the holding role (and he performed poorly imo), while di Maria was on the left and Herrera was on the right. Rooney and Mata splitted the games in the CAM role.
After that there were a series of games playing 4-2-3-1 using the combination of Blind/Carrick + Herrera/Fellaini. This was followed by a month of 3-5-2 again using the combination of Carrick + Rooney + Mata.
If you think things are going to stabilize, you are wrong. We then played 4-4-2 diamond with Blind in the holding role again, with Januzaj, Rooney and di Maria ahead of him.
We had finally settled on 4-1-4-1 before the end of the season. That's when Carrick played in the holding role while Herrera and Fellaini went forward.
I have a poor memory, maybe Herrera played in the holding role once or twice but even that happened, it was sporadic. Indeed, Fletcher might have spend more time in that role than him that season.
I understand your difficulty in concluding a season of mess into a single 11. No judgment, I was just raising an idea.
That 4141 with Carrick-Fellaini-Herrera is our best lineup we had that season I feel coincided with our best run of form. Herrera was the playmaker then. But I recall it wasn't before the end season, it started midway around November 14. Then Carrick got injured and we did the rest with Herrera holding (Carrick maybe back for few games before season end). We also maybe tried Fellaini at holding but it was so bad and LVG loved his talents up top.
Fletcher I think only played three times (mainly subs late game, just one start). He left in Jan window. I think just once holding, the rest is as 2nd CM and RM/RWB(?).
No worries.
Carrick was fit and played almost all the league games from November to January. Then he got injured and missed the games in February but we played Blind in the holding role by then, the 2nd period of 4-4-2 diamond referring to my previous post.
Fletcher actually started the first 3 league games and played the full 90 mins in 2 of them. Of course he was later phased out and he left eventually.
This was, is now, and ever shall be my favorite United side ever.93/94
Also, isn't it depressing just how quickly the squad went to utter dogshite when Fergie left?