fecking hell, weren't you the one who posted my quote from long time back ignoring context and sarcasm? Not surprised though.
Even if you take it as serious post, he did reject the chance to play for 'boring one'
Mourinho comments about our season to L'Equipe
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Even if you take it as serious post, he did reject the chance to play for 'boring one'
Maybe I have missed this bit, but where is the evidence that it was accepted? I've heard that there was 'an offer on the table', but not seen anywhere that it was accepted and Inter were prepared to sell at that price. The Inter DoF chose his words very carefully: "we never declined any offer from Manchester United" - so are we to infer from that they would have accepted our initial low offer after all? There are lots of games that are played in a situation like this.
ha ha, the post that you're referring to was a sarcasm free zone - even people at the time were asking you whether you were serious or not.fecking hell, weren't you the one who posted my quote from long time back ignoring context and sarcasm? Not surprised though.
Even if you take it as serious post, he did reject the chance to play for 'boring one'
And yeah, it will be taken as backtracking if you state something multiple times in order to support your point and then pass it off as a 'joke' a few posts later.
Of course, topic diverted from how Perisic rejected the club to whether the post was a joke
at least you make yourself laughOf course, topic diverted from how Perisic rejected the club to whether the post was a joke
Fair enough, let's say that they didn't accept any offer. They let a player negotiate a contract and gave him the freedom to accept it and he rejected it. Also why are you mentioning a supposed low offer that only comes from the press?
As far as I remember, Perisic was itching to move. It was when we delayed upping the bid from 48 million to the 50 million Inter wanted that the deal fell through. Naturally after that Jose said maybe the player didn't want to come, he didn't know why--- after all, Jose was still employed by the club, he couldn't say openly Ed screwed him. Though he did later on talk a bit more openly when he was all but begging for the sack.
Perisic also went along the lines of "I'm happy at Inter" but that's standard talk when the deal didn't go through of course.
End of the day his 300m worth of signings failed though...he's right with some stuff but would be nice to see him take responsibility for that unless woody chose them.
Look, I understand that a lot of stuff that is written in the sports press is bullshit - most of it in fact during transfer silly season - but there was a heck of a lot of smoke that summer if there was no fire. Loads of different sources all appeared at the same time with news of the bid that we had made for Perisic - many of those sources from Italy. Yes, you can choose to disbelieve it all, but it smells fishy to me.
Well that's exactly my take on things too - but it's hard for some people to be objective about things where Mourinho is involved.
This has nothing to do with Mourinho, which kind of shows where your own objectivity is, you are just trying to put blame where the obvious conclusion would lead to a player taking a personal decision. We don't always have to blame Mourinho or the club.
It's quite difficult to discuss this issue without involving Mourinho - particularly given that this is a Mourinho thread.
It was obvious.
No, it's not. It's typically the type of transfer that shouldn't be used for or against Mourinho/the club because they both agreed on going after him, the player decided to not come which happens all the time to all clubs. We as fans may discuss whether we agree with that transfer but that's a subjective opinion and should never be used against anyone.
Good luck coming to this thread and expecting to discuss the Perisic transfer and NOT mentioning Mourinho. I mean the very post that I responded to in the first place was @roonster09 gloating about Perisic not wanting to play for Mourinho....very objective.
My point is that we shouldn't discuss the Perisic transfer.
Yeah and it had nothing to do with him rejecting the move, somehow Jose fans twisting that to "Woodward Vetoed the deal".Well OK then. Are you familiar with the phrase 'shutting the door after the horse has bolted'?!
still making yourself laugh I see
Hard not to reading few posts.still making yourself laugh I see
This makes a lot of sense!
"He's a shite manager" is obviously the conclusion drawn after looking at the facts of his tenure. Using his past trophies won is nothing but an appeal to accomplishments fallacy.
We are talking about the facts of his tenure at United, not Inter, Madrid or Chelsea. We aren't talking about "a layer of facts". We are talking about a vast amount of indisputable evidence, even person quotes, that he did not live up to expectations and was ultimately responsible poor results. Facts like him stating it was his team and he was equipped to compete for the title, but failing to challenge and then less than a year later deflecting all the blame from himself. He won 2 cups widely described as not that important and finished 6th, 2nd (miles behind City), 6th. Save for the Europa league he's been diabolical in Europe and the playing style was been widely criticized and ineffective during his tenure. Not only that but he spent £400M+ on players already considered deadwood (what's the percentage of his signings you would keep). With that said, the only way a reasonable person can conclude Mourinho wasn't shite for United is if they willfully choose to ignore the facts.
It was based on his back and forth with another poster where he willfully ignored facts, not because he had a different view. You should have took the time to actually read what I was referring to before you responded. You would have saved a bunch of keystrokes.
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dear oh dear. Just cos you class 2 trophies, a 2nd place finish, and our best spell since Fergie retired as 'shite' does not mean that it is shite...that's just your opinion!
Not at all - I don't care whether the poster in question was biased or not, it's the hypocracy of accusing someone else of bias whilst proclaiming your own objectivity, and then in the next breath saying that it is 'indisputable' that Mourinho was a shite manager for us. Do you not see the irony? How can it possibly be neutral, or objective to tell people that unless they see things your way they are wrong? The 'layer of facts' that I talked about are the results - everything else is subjective and up for debate. Innit?
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Honest question. What's the point of this back and forth if you are going to literally ignore large sections of my posts? You obviously hold Mourinho in high regard and nothing will change your mind, and that's fine. But let's not waste each others time if we are going to be willfully ignorant.
It's hypocrisy if I'm also ignoring facts to support my subjective view, which I'm clearly not. Where have I displayed bias? Drawing a conclusion based on an overwhelming amount of evidence is not bias.
I posted more facts that just the results. @JPRouve and @roonster09 provided facts about transfers. Another poster posted facts about average point totals. We have facts about the amount of money he spent on the squad. The evidence against him is more than just a "layer of facts". It's a pile.
Because you are missing the point massively - it doesn't MATTER what you pull up as evidence of his being 'shite' with United - it is still just your opinion! There is literally no evidence that you can produce that proves inconclusively that he was 'shite' - you're still just left with your opinion as others may disagree.
For what it's worth I could get on board with 'disappointing', 'underwhelming', and even 'toxic' (when it came to season 3) - but 'shite' smacks of someone that has a bloody strong opinion based upon their own take on his achievements. I said all along that it's something we all do so it's not like I'm attacking you for it, just pointing out that him being 'shite' is not fact, it's opinion.
We're seriously going around in circles here. The 'facts' that you have provided do not provide an 'overwhelming amount of evidence' toward him being 'shite' for us - it includes a European trophy, a domestic trophy and a 2nd place finish with a squad that required totally overhauling from LVGs time - other people might conclude that actually that's not too bad in the circumstances. Therefore if you take that evidence and come up with a hypothesis as extreme as 'he was shite' that doesn't come across as being particularly objective. I don't know what more I can say.
Ha, a thinly veiled 'hey, come and help me stick the boot in lads' - nice.
You are really arguing semantics. Good grief.
Even still: strong opinion != bias && drawing a conclusion != bias
And no, its not its not my "take on his achievements". They are verifiable facts about his tenure at United.
I just said that and It's due to your willful ignorance like I said before. Your responses to the Perisic transfer are pretty much on par with our "discussion" and you happen to be the common denominator. Funny that.
Simply giving posters credit for facts they posted (and their names are on the same page). Basic etiquette. With that said, your posts in the last few pages speak for themselves. No help required.
The BBC has had a look at our season too, expanding on what Jose has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48299387
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48299387
People are *****, what can you do?
Goodbye
The problem with coaches of the calibre of LVG and Mourhino being unable to work with Woodward is that it puts off not only prospective future top coaches but also top pros in other areas, including players. A series of toxic dressing rooms. The Glazer United is a poisoned chalice.
Mourinho has been spot on.
Much as some people will have you believe he is past it, he was just premier league champion only a few years ago and has been the most successful manager in the post fergie era.
The problems at United, as many have already said, are not the manager. They run deeper than that.
Much as some people will have you believe he is past it, he was just premier league champion only a few years ago and has been the most successful manager in the post fergie era.
The problems at United, as many have already said, are not the manager. They run deeper than that.