In the 34th round we were 1 point off top 4 with 2 goals less GD.
That’s why I take everything he said in jest. Yes we have problems but he was given a boat load of money to fix the issues and he’s effectively wasted.
By literally getting better results, with the same squad of players. Fecking hell. Why are you doubling down here? You're making yourself look silly.
Does Shaw seems like someone who would be concerned about his status at the club?
He doesn't say that at United to be fair. I can genuinely see it being Ronaldo.
I would interpret it as saying that United currently aren’t good enough to achieve what the fans want us to. Either the players or the way the club is run. I don’t think there can be any doubt we aren’t good enough to win leagues and Champions Leagues.
Gotta take that with a grain of salt, it's always a frenzy of news most made up.
But how else can a club try to match its ambitions, other than by giving a manager lots and lots of money to spend? Which is exactly what they provided Jose. An enormous transfer budget and the best paid players in the league.
Jesus.
No. I don’t think anything. I’m stating facts. Feel free to ignore them.
Hazard said the same but acknowledged that their relationship broke down at Chelsea. Pogba will probably say the same in a few years time.
ok, so if Ole starts the next season 7 wins 5 draws 5 losses he should be booted off according to the same criteria ?
He could certainly feel a little hard done by if he was sacked because - unlike Mourinho - that opening run of results won’t happen after two full seasons in charge and £390 million invested in the squad.
But at the same time, it wouldn't be unfair due to the way the season ended. @Enigma_87, your question is highly dependent on context, what we have done this summer, how we played during that run of games and how everyone acted in and around the team.
Honestly feel like that is fair enough.
So regardless of manager credentials we should give all 300+ million and at least 2 and a half years?
Agreed. I'm really just trying to put to bed the idea that a) Mourinho didn't deserve the sack and b) Ole didn't get better results out of his squad this season.
You're welcome ! My translation isn't perfect but you can take it this way like you can take it more like "United is a great club, they want to be great like in the old days but they aren't giving themself the means to be that great while they have the capacity".
We the fans? Or we the owners?
For about 10 games, and 7 of them weren't with a convincing style (bar the first 3).
I only answered your question about sacking. But I don't think that we should back anyone to the tune of +300m, I strongly believe that managers need to show their ability to improve players before being allowed to spend massive amounts, so ideally Ole should be given the minimum needed, not the maximum affordable. If that makes sense.
Rooney.
Our unbeaten home run under Jose was impressive. I agree. Although it was undermined by our shitty away form.
The true colours that were shown was Ole's good run with the team. It showed that despite it being Mourinho's team, he did a piss poor job of getting the most out of the players.
When you put it like that, it's quite hilarious. But what would you have him say? He's been ridiculed all over for having been a dinosaur, a has-been shite manager, and then when the team shows its true colours and the scatterbrained approach of our board is exposed, is he supposed to say something different to what he's been saying all along? He still has the ambition to work at the highest level and he will fight to do so. No problem with that IMV.
Phil Jones.
His own attitude and his track record. If there was any doubt where we were heading without sacking him, you just need to look at his previous appointments.
I asked a question relating to this on a different thread but so far no-one has answered. Which of our players can we honestly say improved during 5 months of coaching/management by Ole and his staff? Pogba certainly did initially - but I don't think that anyone could argue that was anything more than him suddenly deciding to put in a bit effort to 'prove' Mourinho wrong, and by the end of the season he had well and truly reverted to type. Rashford had a brief spell where he looked better - but has been as bad as I've ever seen him over the last couple of months. Shaw won player of the year, but arguably his form was better under Mourinho in the first half of the season. Lindelof looked good under both managers. Other than that Fred looked OK, but given that he wasn't even picked by Mourinho anything was going to be an improvement on nothing. Martial looks more disinterested under Ole than he even did before, and Lukaku - who you might have expected to benefit from being managed/coached by an ex-striker looks like his confidence has gone completely. Lingard appalling, Sanchez appalling, Young worse than he's ever been. And then really that only leaves McTominay, who was the guy that Mourinho identified and plucked from the reserves himself.
Six months, in the middle of the season where there is little time for actual individual work and where the training plans have been done by someone else months prior to Ole's appointment? No it's not worrying, the worry is that Ole is an unknown quantity.
This one's not on him. He's been gone for a fair few months now and we still don't have a DOF. Woodward sold us a lie and you keep running with it.
I was saying Jose got more out of the squad than Ole ever did before he went bust. That unbeaten run is probably the max domination you could achieve with this mediocre squad (peak Lukaku could deliver the goals Ibra did if you argue it was mainly due to Ibra) and I consider that the best use of our squad since 2013.
Besides that? He's 100% right on that as well. If Pogba was playing there is no way we'd of got that result in Paris
Well each to his own - I find it worrying personally. 6 months is a long time, and a previous training plan shouldn't be a barrier to a player improving. Are we saying that it is impossible for a manager to come in halfway through a season and significantly improve the performances of his players? Or have our expectations really dropped that low?
So our best run under Mourinho was slightly better than Ole achieved in his first 5 months in charge, using Mourinho’s squad of players. Still not sure what point you’re making here?
Yeah we know we can afford it. On top of that we got rid of Zlatans wages but my thinking wasnt about what we got before our top 2 finish.
