Mourinho's signings at United.

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  1. Sep 10, 2019

    Focusmate New Member

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    I just don't think signings are necessarily primarily the managers any more. We looked at Maguire last year, Ed decided no but changed his mind this year. Is this somehow a success for Ole?
    A lot of players like Pogba were being worked on years before being signed.
    Its 80% on Ed, the board, scouts and Judge, and maybe 20% the manager if one of their suggested priorities gets picked.
    Main problem we have is no DOF setting a clear playing style and long term vision, for which the right players are then signed.
    No idea why Mourinho has been singled out when out signings for the last 10 years have been dire..
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    Karlos PFC New Member

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    Lukaku was a bad signing that did not suit us but certainly not a bad player.
    Matic at the time I thought was a short term solution, the argument still holds though. He is a better player than MCT or whoever else in that position in the team. The downside of course is his age.

    I dont think that Mourinho fecked us more than Moyes or Van Gaal (for some, I loved the guy he was a joy, more than his football. But that's another topic) did. Mourinho had his share of course but the problem lies with Ole. The hugest mistake Ed did all these years (and made alot of terrible ones this cnut) was not going all in for Poch. Ole I hope someday be a great coach but I can't see this happening any time soon.

    Up until Christmas we'll be outside of the top 6. And once again we will be looking for a manager. And the only available is Alegri at the moment. I dont think the fans will accept him, they couldn't stand Mou. Same philosophy. I hope we'll go for Poch or else Ten Hag or Tuchel.
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    mariachi-19 Full Member

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    Bollocks. You can also hardly blame Ed if that were the case on the basis that Mourinho had brought in two previous central defenders of an age where there was scope for development. When it became obvious last year that one in particular was not up to the task, we've rightly decided to invest in Stones.
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    He was paid double Jones, Rojo or Young. Strange that you dont get that someone being paid as a superstar but only being quite good is a problem
  5. Sep 11, 2019

    Leftback99 Full Member

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    16/17 wasn't bad and the season was a reasonably success. For me it all started going wrong with Ibrahimovic's injury, suddenly we needed an £80m striker to replace a better player we lost for nothing. The money could have been better used elsewhere or instead of cheap 2nd rate targets.
  6. Sep 11, 2019

    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Mostly I'd agree. For some I don't.

    Baily - is a good CB with potential but injuries took a toll on him. Not bad price so probably can give him some leeway.
    Lukaku - also had bright moments.
    Matic - fell off a cliff, started well.
    Fred - very very shit considering the transfer sum. Don't know what we ever saw in him.

    Overall:

    Good signings: Pogba, Zlatan, Lindelof
    So/so: Lukaku, Matic
    Didn't turn well due to injuries: Baily
    Bad to incredibly shit: Mkhi, Alexis, Fred
    Jury is still out: Dalot
    Make no difference: Grant.
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    GBBQ Full Member

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    The thing about that is, Mourinho had already spent relatively big in the previous 2 summer windows bringing in 2 central defenders with potential and not moving anyone on. I think the board are entitled to ask that he actually looks to coach the players he brought in first and foremost rather than trying something new each year.

    For ole its different, he can come in, assess the squad and say these aren't going to work for my system, I need Maguire but I will get rid of x players to balance the books.
  8. Sep 11, 2019

    Tel074 New Member

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    If you think he was quite good then you should watch another sport . He has a great season with us . You cant be so idiotic to not realise what you wrote is moronic but instead of back tracking you are going to keep running with it . I will say it again to pick out Zlatan as one player who didn't deserve what he earned is beyond belief when he have a squad full of guys earning way way above what they deserve
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    fps Full Member

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    No, it's very odd that you're singling out one player who was a definite success. It doesn't matter how much he was paid, he sold more shirts and got more clicks and made far more money back for the club than those guys. Additionally, he scored 28 goals in 46 games, or whatever it was, so his contribution in that season was more than Jones has contributed, in a defensive sense, for United in the 25 years he's been at the club.
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    Joeace2020 New Member

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    A lot of stating what we already know in this thread.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    We had to get a top striker at the time. Unfortunately our options were limited to Lukaku and Morata. Either of them wouldn't work. We probably made the better choice in Lukaku as he still got some goals and most of the money back.
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    I'm mystified that some are surprised at this. Outside of what he achieved with Porto "the translator" has only ever had one transfer strategy...Keep buying. He just keeps buying players and then discarding them. It's probably why he loves buying older players as he has an inbuilt excuse if they fail...they failed to adapt, or they lost a yard etc etc

    I now feel used and dirty that he was ever involved in the club.
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    Leftback99 Full Member

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    I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to buy Lukaku at the time (I'd have done the same) but if Ibra didn't get injured we most likely wouldn't have bought a striker that summer and improved the team elsewhere.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Probably. My biggest gripe with Mourinho was(considering his record before) not being able to get our CB pairing sorted for that long. He should booted Smalling/Jones much earlier and tried at least another one before the third season.
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    So why does having a better manager help in bringing signings?

    Only clubs like Real, Barca, Juve who sign galacticos the managers have minimal say.

    In the prem we have seen managers have a say. Fellaini was not a Moyes signing?

    Rodri not a Pep signing?

    Managers get a say in signings, if you think otherwise i'm afraid you are getting it wrong.

    We would not have signed Dan James under Jose.

    The Maguire's, AWB's of this world are signings clubs make because
    a) the manager has a requirement of a player in that area
    b) any United manager would have taken Maguire and AWB
  16. Sep 15, 2019 at 10:55

    Keefy18 Full Member

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    Actually you would, otherwise you just come across as some smug twat thinking he has insider knowledge but in reality you haven't a clue at all. You've clearly had your head buried in idiotic, brainless anti Glazer crap being spun around twittah and buying it like its the gospel.

    Dismisses my link that has actual quotes in it, but then proceeds to put up a link from an utter s*it rag like the mirror as "evidence" to support his claims. :lol::houllier:

    Yeah, nah...that's not quite how transfers work. It isn't that black and white and straight forward as you suggest.

    Scouting and the manager / coaches will source targets and of course fire over a list and contact is made with the club to agree that they can discuss a possible transfer and in turn negotiations commence if all that is agreed.

    When it gets to the financials, the manager would of course be involved in discussions to a degree. The financials obviously have an impact on how the manager can build his team, that is just common sense. It's beyond ridiculous to suggest that a manager simply fires over a list / report and that's their part closed out. They will be privy to the numbers mentioned in terms of transfer fee and wages and how that affects their budget.

    Personally I believe Ole did want another CM this summer for example but his heart was absolutely set on getting Maguire done so that was that. Sales then had to be completed as well and thanks to LCFC being dicks about the transfer and dragging it out we missed out on a CM.

    Your saying Sanchez was solely an Ed signing, yet ignore that Jose was already previously targeting not one...but 2 ageing wide attacking players in Perisic & Willian. The board agreed to give him Sanchez, a PL proven attacking player who up to that point was one of the leagues best attackers in the previous 3 seasons at least. Arguably the best option of the 3, but no one could of predicted how utterly shambolic it'd turn out to be.

    Simple question, if a manager is demanding Sanchez and the board deliver...who's fault is it then? The manager who demanded him or the board showing support to the manager making that demand?

    Bastian was an ex LVG player, the feck you on about. LVG rated him extremely highly, utter BS to say he was a marketing signing.

    ADM was arguably one of the best wide attacking players in the world at the time. It was wrong to sign him though cause he didn't want to be here, but LVG also admitted he rated him very highly and had previously tried to sign him a number of years prior.

    Falcao was deemed good enough for Jose to sign him after we let him go, but OK.
  17. Sep 15, 2019 at 11:16

    Mike Phelan's Former Tash New Member

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    Mourinho didn't think Lukaku was good enough for Chelsea when he was their manager so why the feck did he ever think he was good enough for Manchester United!? (he wasn't btw and Ole could see that because he was good enough for United and knows what it takes).

    When we signed Miki, what was the plan for him? Same for Sanchez. We had Martial playing well at the time and he was dropped. Why? He moaned about not getting a new CB, he signed Bailly and Lindelof but still played Jones and Smalling! Why not go for Verane, Giminez, Godin or Bonnuchi - experienced quality defenders!?

    I'm just glad the mourinho reign is over. It was enevitable that he would manage United at some point, if it wasn't then it would be now.

    Ole has done well so far to repair the damage.
  18. Sep 15, 2019 at 12:06

    Aouer-United New Member

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    Are people seriously claiming that Jose wasn’t backed fully in his third summer transfer window? Not to mention the list of target he gave Woodward were awfully bad, especially he include the likes of Boateng, Toby, Willian, bale, Rebic, Pereric, Godin, etc. The board could choose to back him fully if they want but we’d be still end up with more deadwoods. He spent on 400m, he could have spent closer to 600m or so if he was backed fully in his third summer and all his supposed targets will not improve United in the future.

    The problem is, he is not trying hard to improve the squad, he is just too nice to the player we consider it as deadwood, like “if they want to leave, they can leave” rather than “I need to get rid of them, they need to be shipped off because they wasn’t enough good for us” and we didn’t get rid of many deadwoods in all summer.

    I think the board would back him fully if he have shown more progressive in brand of football, improving players to be better. So he didn’t do that, the board would ask themselves “do we need to back him blindly when he haven’t met our expectations on our investment we spent and the player wasn’t improved or not performing so well under Jose and the brand of football is not enough good with the massive investment we spent” whilst looking at City and Liverpool’s investment and development in player and brand of football gotten better under Pep and Klopp.

    So yeah, I’m glad the board didn’t back him in his 3rd season because I’d be afraid we’d be ending up with more deadwood that is like tot stay here for years.
  19. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:07

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    If only you could read, you would see that the mirror link was culled from The Sunday Times. I couldn't post the original link because the article is behind a paywall. So your "utter s*it rag" description of the link failed just like the rest of your codswallop.


    >81 points with Smalling/Jones in his defence
    >2nd place finish - above media darlings like Klopp, Pochettino and Wenger
    >2 trophies.

    A manager won 2 trophies, got the club to a 2nd(the highest position since SAF's retirement), beat the other 19 teams in the league but he unequivocally failed. This is hilarious.

    This is a piss-poor argument.

    Wenger, Allegri, Spalletti aren't managing - it must be because they spent their entire career running from burning dumpster fires that they have created in order to retain their reputations as top tier managers.
  20. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:09

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    He’s gone thank god, that 2nd placed finish was so overhyped as well.
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    2nd position is overhyped. Of course, it is.

    Meanwhile, finishing 6th last season was under-rated.:D
  22. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:16

    Ekeke Full Member

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    Would have had another 10 points if any of his signings had worked out at all that season.

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    Our biggest ever transfer budget (£175 million) and we came 2nd by a large distance of 19 points. Not good enough
  23. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:17

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    I remember Fergie finishing 2nd in his first full season coming from 11th the season before. He was so impressed with that he tore that team up and started again.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Was it? I mean it's not a great achievement for Man Utd but we finished with 81 points that season, that's the same number of points that won Leicester the PL, it's only 6 points off the total that won Chelsea the league before that and only 5 points off the total that won City the league before that. Our last title win we finished with 89 points.

    Again finishing 2nd is not anything for a Man Utd side to shout about but we showed some pretty good consistency that season with there being a couple of pretty obvious standout periods that you could pinpoint as where any title challenge was lost (as well as other factors of course like brining Sanchez in)

    Considering the points totals before and since (all post Fergie) it's quite obviously our best league campaign
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    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    I remember it as Liverpool (especially) and Arsenal concentrating on Europe allowing us to take 2nd after we dismally went out of Europe at the 2nd round stage leaving us with nothing else to focus on.
  26. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:33

    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Well firstly you dont remember it very well as it was Chelsea for long periods under Conte who were the biggest threat to the 2nd place position and that regardless the points total is still what it is and while yes Mourinho fecked us over in the UCL we did have the FA Cup final that season as well
  27. Sep 16, 2019 at 15:40

    fergiesarmy1 Full Member

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    Well they finished 11 points behind us and our form wasn’t fantastic closing the season with 10 points from the last 15 so they couldn’t have been that close.

    I did forget about the cup final though, thanks for reminding me :lol:
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    We did well to get 2nd but everyone who was paying attention knew that we were not making the progress we needed to, and that the early season form and the points tally/position itself flattered us. And those people called Liverpool actually looking the team headed in the correct direction.

    The football in the second half of the season. Sanchez signing and displacing Martial. Lukaku's weaknesses becoming more evident. The football being turgid and insipid as the season wore on. His transfers doing sod all. From what I recall, we were all fine with 2nd place but the feeling and progress was not great.
  29. Sep 19, 2019 at 18:33

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    Hilarious? I'll tell ya what's hilarious.

    Yeah whilst he ditched his own investments of Bailly and Lindelof for the majority.

    Will ya ever give over about the 2nd placed finish, he was feckin 19 pts from City that year! Jesus, LVG's 5th place Finish saw him only 14pts off then Champions.

    He was utterly, utterly destroyed by a far more competent manager in Pep. He's had riches the vast majority of managers can only dream of, so give over with the woe is Jose utter tripe!

    The 2 trophies were B Cups! The Europa League win arguably kept him in his job after an utterly dreadful season finishing 6th.

    This is doing the rounds today, about £450m of that £1.6B was spent specifically at United in two and a half seasons here, that's before we get into the fact he oversaw a 46% increase in our wage bill.

    The man is finished at a top level and will never manage a big club again, Why?

    He is a slow, brutal cancer to any club. He is a poison!

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