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He’s too small, inexperienced and struggling to get games for Celtic let alone United.What about the young attacker, Karomoke Dembele?
Not a Dembele in the world right now who improves our starting XI
He’s too small, inexperienced and struggling to get games for Celtic let alone United.What about the young attacker, Karomoke Dembele?
not heard of him, but given his surname I would stay clear, based on that alone!What about the young attacker, Karomoke Dembele?
Agreed, but the market seemingly has a low supply of top quality CF's i think.I'm bumping this since his name has popped up again. I'm not allowed to post media yet but the tweets are in the twitter thread. For me it just goes to show how desperately low on striker options we are if this is the level of player we are looking at.
Yes I agree with you there, the club were banking on him being the long term future for us at CF. We've pretty much got nothing there now and are starting again from scratch. I would hope that the club could come up with something better than this guy though, it's totally uninspiring. Then again, it may not be as easy as it used to be convincing the better players to join the club so beggars can't be choosers I suppose.Agreed, but the market seemingly has a low supply of top quality CF's i think.
Outside of Haaland (and Vlahovic who's now just joined Juve - Mbappe is more of a wide forward but seems Madrid bound) there's no real competition for the previous generation of strikers: Aguero, Lewa, Suarez, Benzema, Kane. You can sense the lack of quality in the market when City were desperate for Kane and Chelsea forked out over a 100m on Lukaku.
I'm sure I'm missing a few talents (Lautaro Martinez seems more of a support striker as well) as my broader footy knowledge ain't what it used to be, and I am sure some strikers will mature/establish themselves as elite as they develop - a lot changes in football in a year or 2.
It makes the fall and disgrace of Greenwood even more frustrating/infuriating.
Yeah I’m also not convinced we’ll be signing him, and even if we do, maybe it’s as a backup.Yes I agree with you there, the club were banking on him being the long term future for us at CF. We've pretty much got nothing there now and are starting again from scratch. I would hope that the club could come up with something better than this guy though, it's totally uninspiring. Then again, it may not be as easy as it used to be convincing the better players to join the club so beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
Agree, hard to name five top strikers who arent old. Haaland obviously, barely seen him but Sulemani is it at Red Bull looks like going toDortmund looks a talent. Still think Calvert Lewins a decent option bar probable price.Agreed, but the market seemingly has a low supply of top quality CF's i think.
Outside of Haaland (and Vlahovic who's now just joined Juve - Mbappe is more of a wide forward but seems Madrid bound) there's no real competition for the previous generation of strikers: Aguero, Lewa, Suarez, Benzema, Kane. You can sense the lack of quality in the market when City were desperate for Kane and Chelsea forked out over a 100m on Lukaku.
I'm sure I'm missing a few talents (Lautaro Martinez seems more of a support striker as well) as my broader footy knowledge ain't what it used to be, and I am sure some strikers will mature/establish themselves as elite as they develop - a lot changes in football in a year or 2.
It makes the fall and disgrace of Greenwood even more frustrating/infuriating.
Heard about Giouri on these boards a couple of times but I’d be lying if I said I’ve seen much, if any, of him.Agree, hard to name five top strikers who arent old. Haaland obviously, barely seen him but Sulemani is it at Red Bull looks like going toDortmund looks a talent. Still think Calvert Lewins a decent option bar probable price.
But Amine Giouri all day long for me, followed him ages and named him lots. Looked like the new Benzema at oyuth level and starting for lyon, injury...career stalls (funnily enough sure Dembele was one of the players blocking his path at Lyon when young an dback from injury_, now back to his best at Nice. Intelligent, wonderful technique, good pace and movement. Dont think he has the strength and abilty to hold the ball up and head like Benzema, so cant play the target man that is one part of many with Benzema but I still see similarities in other parts of his game. Dembele is an absolute no for me as see little more than a "decent" target man in him, doesnt sut the expected progression in system and style of our planned play from what we have seen from Ragnik at all, dont believe it at all anyway
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A source close to the Lyon player reiterated that Dembele would only be viewed as a squad player if he were to move to United this summer and that he'd likely be viewed as a replacement for the departing Edinson Cavani, rather than as a regular starter.
Firstly, I don't think he would be awful to be a backup option but I hate your thought process there, that's not to single you out but you buy to replace your first XI, not subs bench. We can't look to buy players that aren't immediately at LEAST challenging to get into the first XI in a strong way or we are continuing this slip into mediocrity.One plus about Dembele is that he would count as home grown due to his time at Fulham as a youngster. There's a good player in there but he hasn't exactly excelled bar like one good season about 3/4 years ago. As a backup ST and for £15m or so, we could do worse. He can also play reasonably well in the wide forward positions.
I actually don’t disagree with you in principle. I’m just being pragmatic. We realistically need 2 strikers this Summer with Cavani leaving, the Greenwood situation and Ronaldo at 37 looking like he doesn’t fit what we want to do and like he doesn’t want to be here. Trying to buy these strikers plus the much needed DM, not to mention any upgrades we might attempt in other positions (which will be difficult in terms of shifting players like Maguire, AWB and co) will cost a fortune.Firstly, I don't think he would be awful to be a backup option but I hate your thought process there, that's not to single you out but you buy to replace your first XI, not subs bench. We can't look to buy players that aren't immediately at LEAST challenging to get into the first XI in a strong way or we are continuing this slip into mediocrity.
I actually don’t disagree with you in principle. I’m just being pragmatic. We realistically need 2 strikers this Summer with Cavani leaving, the Greenwood situation and Ronaldo at 37 looking like he doesn’t fit what we want to do and like he doesn’t want to be here. Trying to buy these strikers plus the much needed DM, not to mention any upgrades we might attempt in other positions (which will be difficult in terms of shifting players like Maguire, AWB and co) will cost a fortune.
Something’s got to give somewhere. My choice for our backup striker is Charles De Ketelaere who has ridiculous potential and should be around 25/30m. However, if we spend 15m on Dembele who can ‘do a job’, that allows us to invest more into better talent elsewhere such as first choice ST and DM.
We have to be realistic. We will be 2/3 strikers short next season. Can’t just replace them all with expensive megastars and expecting Charlie McNeill or someone internally to be second choice ST would be a big burden to put on someone so young.
We are not in a situation where we can pick whoever we want.As a backup to a new #9 sure. As our new #9, a huge meh.
While that's absolutely the case, we're better off trying to unearth gems or going established strikers with a couple of years left at this level, if the alternative is signing average players. Personally, I'd prefer buying two young strikers and rejuvenate the whole team. If we're getting a progressive coach with ideas that are beyond most in the current squad (i.e. work hard, press, maintain possession with a high tempo) going with younger players is obviously more conducive to making things work.We are not in a situation where we can pick whoever we want.