"Move Ole into the DOF Role"

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    Matt007a Full Member

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    There is no evidence to suggest OGS is even interested in such a role. He wouldn't be right for it anyway.
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    Why? Theres absolutely nothing to suggest he’d want to be, or be any use, in such a role.

    Much like with managers every sane person should want us to bring in a dof with actual experience and a proven track record doing the same work elsewhere.

    Stop brainlessly giving key roles to ex players out of dumb sentimentality thanks.
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    What has he done to suggest that he will be successful as a technical director? Absolutely nothing!!! The club should put the emotions aside and act in a professional way asap. Thank you for the good memories Ole, but sack him before it is too late and then find an experienced and proven manager and a DOF. However, sacking ED should be the priority to save the club. Nothing is going to change as long as ED is taking final decisions on footballing matters.
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    He would be much worse as a DOF. It's his transfer philosophy that put us in this mess rather than his coaching. Signing only young British players over proven internationals, keeping Pogba, a lot of things that should have been done differently. Now the team is so bad and so depleted that its hard to manage, there simply isnt enough talent there and anyone we get to manage us after Ole is going to struggle. We are a mid table team talent wise if that.

    You take most average PL teams and they have better midfield and attacking talent than us. Im sorry but that's on Ole. He had this British first class of 92 Sir Alex pt 2 fantasy. So stupid and irresponsible in this day and age. Also not selling Pogba might come back to bite us too.
    Last transfer window could have been done so differently and so much better. Daniel James for example might have been a good signing but would we have even given him a look if he wasn't British? Probably not. So stupid and narrow minded.
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    I keep seeing this but it's not like Ole has personally scouted James, he was recommended by Giggs. AWB and Maguire weren't exactly unknown and it's not like he's pulled a masterstroke of a bargain, the pair cost close to £150m.

    It's like the only thing Ole in people can point to, that so far his three signings haven't shit the bed. But they also haven't been as amazing as many would make you think. Maguire is a slightly above average CB currently, same for AWB and James remains to be seen if he can keep it up as signs suggest not.
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    I agree. But I think he knows how transfers would get done too. I dont think it's as ridiculous an idea. Better than him being manager!
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    Well of course not. No one should be really ruled out but our owners and Woody need to decide if the guy they want to put in charge has good idea on how to build a squad and give the club an identity on the pitch through the players and coaches he wants to hire. If Ole is that man with a vision and can present a valid strategy to get us to the top then give him the job.

    I agree that some of the transfers have been really good but arguably we let go of a couple too many players that weren't necessarily our worst players last season and now have a very thin squad. So I'm not really with you when you recognize good squad planning. Especially the midfield state is a big fail that Ole has at least in parts to own up to.

    In our current position I simply think bringing in someone like Ragnick would be the better option. He has repeatedly shown that he can build clear structures at his clubs and give them a philosophy and identity that I actually quite like. With Ole it's only down to Woody and the Glazers making a good judgement call on if he is the right one or not and I simply don't trust these people in any matters that are not comercial or financial.
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    If the club have bought into his idea of how the squad should be rebuilt over the next few seasons then I don't think it's a crazy idea. Given the players that were released and the ones brought in (although not enough) I think he does have a good idea of what needs done on that front but it's looking increasingly like he just isn't a good enough coach to keep us in a good position while carrying out that rebuild. 5 wins in 23 is simply not enough.

    If we sack him and bring in a new manager who starts all over again we're just perpetuating the exact kind of moves that have created the mess we're in. Moving him into a different role where he's still in charge of squad changes (whether that's a DOF or some other position with a slightly different title/role like head of recruitment or something) keeps us on the same path while acknowledging things aren't good enough and lets someone else come in to take over the coaching of the team.
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    The only role I would welcome seeing him in at the club is hotel hostess for Hotel Football Old Trafford as he's got a world class smile.
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    First I've heard of him but his track-record speaks volumes. Do you know more about him?
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    I know just as much as everyone else really. That video does a good job of showing how good he's been. I know he worked at Real with Jose too. And was a massive part of that Monaco team. No surprise as soon as he left Monaco, things started to go down for them.

    But as I said earlier, I believe he wants our job. Quite unusual for a guy like him to talk to Sky like that. He knows what he's doing and saying when doing that interview. He wants the fans talking...like we are doing now.
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    So we first give him the job at the level he never managed at before in his career. And now that he's failing, people want to give him a different, more important role that he has zero experince in. Just why are we so obsessed with hiring ex players?
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    As for ole. I don’t think Brexit FC is he successful way forward. So no thanks, remove him for good.
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    Interesting for sure. Read a bit more about him just now and he could very well be a great aquisition for us. Don't see Woodward relinquishing power though.
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    Yea, he would be a very good start. Someone with enough experience to start the set up at United for the very first time. Ultimately I want Mitchell but he has recently signed a new contract with RB, so someone like Campos would be a very good option.
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    The stupidity of some Man United fans will never amaze me. All these rubbish sentiments with the past, ex-players and United way romanticism is why Man United are not advancing as a club. Can anyone have suggested that Moyes or Jose or LVG be made DOF? Hell no. Why Ole then? Because he bought Maguire wanted by Jose earlier or James recommended by Giggs? If it were not Ole, anyone suggesting this would have been labeled a lunatic.

    Ole has been managing for 10 years and you have people still casting aspersions on his credentials as a manager in the first place let alone to be the DOF of the supposed biggest club in the world with literally no experience whatsoever. Does that in any way look like a sound decision? Give me a break with this nonsense!
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    I really don't understand how the same people who thought Giggs was too inexperienced when they sacked LVG turned around and appointed Solskjær without a second thought.
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    Horrible idea because I wouldn’t put someone in a job where recruitment is at least half the job, when he’s done such a terrible job in that regard already. He figured out he wanted to play a formation that requires a #10 and he goes with Lingard and Mata when Felix, Dybala and Fernandes are available. I’m assuming we’re going to lose Pogba this summer and we’re going to replace him with Longstaff, Rice and Maddison who’ll end up like Ross Barkley.
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    I think the idea comes because some people are praising his signing and getting rid of a bunch of players. So it really depends on what the owner and himself want for the team, like if he was appointed because of his status as club legend (and thus fans will be more patinet with bad results under him) and ordered to purge the squad then it would have made more sense to put him in a directive position where he could have some input about the transfer policy.

    Personally I don't find the idea as absurd assuming he has the best interest for the club and is interested in that role. For example Zidane was first made a consultant/adviser for the directive board, then a sports director and after that he started his preparation as a manager.
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    Silly season is now upon us. What fecking credentials does Ole have for DoF, other then saying yes to Ed. This would be a shocking appointment. Happy for Ole to have a paid Ambassadorial role when he inevitably gets sacked. Club legend will still be appreciated in the Corporate boxes.
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    Bad idea. Buying Maguire and AWB (if it was OGS idea at all) are not something to be commended for when our main priority should have been midfield.
    AWB is limited on the ball with a posture when controlling the ball that is not good at all (leaning over the ball). Fullbacks needs to be able to operate as wingers and pass the ball.
    Maguire is not nearly as good as people portray him to be. His extreme lack of mobility is a big issue even when defending low as a compressed unit as we saw with Yarmolenkos goal against us.
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    Because he's been managing football teams for the last 9 years. He has loads of experience compared to Giggs.
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    But nothing at this level for goodness sake.
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    Romanticism is the main selling point of Manchester United.
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    Did Sir Alex?
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    What he says about Mbappe has just made me say wow at solving both the issue with his family being unhappy and plotting the correct course for his development


    "The day I arrived in Monaco - Kylian wasn't happy at the club. I remember meeting his family and the family saying he is not staying, he's not playing, we don't understand. So I watched him play for 10 minutes and I thought, 'He is an amazing player, he needs to stay in the clubʼ.
    "So I put him in the B team and within two months he made a difference. So he soon needed to be in the first team. In my opinion he's the next best player in the world."
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    I had never heard of him until I read the article, afterwards I searched around the internet for more information about him and much of what I read was very impressive. Seems to know what he's doing as is very much liked and respected by both colleagues and players.
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    Glad I wasn't the only one who hadn't heard of him, I haven't really looked into who would be good given we probably wont be getting one interesting to know he's well liked by multiple groups of people within the club he's quite young as well. I also liked what he said here:
    https://www.skysports.com/football/...iend-jose-mourinhos-struggles-at-old-trafford

    Makes you wonder a little what may have happened had he been here during some of Jose's transfer windows, being his close friend. Would he have been able to cool the tensions in his final transfer window, which was one of the key things that ultimately led to Jose's demise and perceived "sabotage?" And also perhaps aided his man management of the players?
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    Read that article as well, he makes a lot of sense in many interviews. I agree with you that it might have gone differently if he was employed with us during Mourinhos tenure, we'll never know. What I don't understand is why we don't employ people like him who clearly have a deeper understanding about what defines talent and how to best devolop it.
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    Idiotic transfer policy that will be proven so in time. Imo In 3-5 years when we see where Maddison, Rice, Longstaff and James etc peak we'll realise just how dumb it was to put most of our eggs in that basket. Even SAF didn't buy a British core
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    Ed sounds like trump
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    Solskjaer was the manager in charge when United went into the season with so many holes in the squad and lack of cover. Yes, let's keep him in charge of that.
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    I dont understand either. if you look at the money aspect, a DoF couple potentially save the glazers a lot of the throw away money too!
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    Is it a power trip you think? Because I can't explain it otherwise.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Getting rid of players is easy. Seriously. You dont need a rinus michel to do that. A phone call to a few agents, or a post it note that x is for sale.

    Buying their better replacement and identifying one is the issue.

    How the hell can ole become a dof when the most important aspect "judging player ability" is severly lacking?

    Boss, the new manager says he wants dybala. Nope, rashford is the way to go. No deal