"Move Ole into the DOF Role"

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Is it a power trip you think? Because I can't explain it otherwise.
Has to be. Control over everything. I also feel he is waiting for the moment when (if) we win a trophy so he can claim to be the person behind the success.
 

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How the hell can ole become a dof when the most important aspect "judging player ability" is severly lacking?

Boss, the new manager says he wants dybala. Nope, rashford is the way to go. No deal
What you're suggesting should be the job of different people within the club; having a scouting network, developing your own players, having the youth ranks and first team playing and developing the same football style, having a transfer policy, having a manager that makes sense. So his job should be more in the lines of coordinating all that stuff so everyone's on the same page so the club can finally have a clear direction.

I'm not saying he would do a good job but I don't find the idea completely ridicule. Anyway he's clearly not cut for a manager position and him getting sacked is a matter of time so when he finally gets sacked I doubt he's going to keep working for the club.
 

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What you're suggesting should be the job of different people within the club; having a scouting network, developing your own players, having the youth ranks and first team playing and developing the same football style, having a transfer policy, having a manager that makes sense. So his job should be more in the lines of coordinating all that stuff so everyone's on the same page so the club can finally have a clear direction.

I'm not saying he would do a good job but I don't find the idea completely ridicule. Anyway he's clearly not cut for a manager position and him getting sacked is a matter of time so when he finally gets sacked I doubt he's going to keep working for the club.
All that under dof. Ultimately dof would have to make the decision.

Unlesd they go popular vote 1 man 1 vote
 

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All that under dof. Ultimately dof would have to make the decision.

Unlesd they go popular vote 1 man 1 vote
Yup, although that also depends on what the owners want for the team and if they really plan on bringing a dof and it doesn't have to be Ole but I feel Manchester United does need to have their infrastructure sorted out before appointing the next manager.
 

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Yup, although that also depends on what the owners want for the team and if they really plan on bringing a dof and it doesn't have to be Ole but I feel Manchester United does need to have their infrastructure sorted out before appointing the next manager.
Either way. It'll all comes down to 1 person making the ultimate decision. If ole is the dof he's the one with authority to make that.

Say you have a team of 5 men, and 2v2 is differing on opinion. Ole is still the one to decide which way as he outranks everyone else bar ed.

Dof is very poweful position that directs and instruct manager where to go, judging whether they should be kept or sacked, and we think ole will do a great job on that?

We really should stop this preferential treatment to ex players and start being ruthless.
 

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If Ed or Glazer's have any real sense, they'll go and get Campos. But in the Sky interview, they seem to suggest Chelsea are after him too. Whatever Chelsea are, they are a more progressive club than us, at the moment.

Ed has a real chance to make up some lost ground with Campos.
 

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Move ole to Molde seems more appropriate. We can settle with him and Carrick managing the u13s
 

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Making money is an important part from the football business and this out of question ,but building a succesfull strong team with money is a completely different story. An example for bad business -United . BTW they are plenty. Signing players isn't only the factor for success. The next to impossible for the present staff of the club is building a competive squad and the mad word should be used only in sentence about the money spent and results achieved . United are not anymore symbol of a quality football . This is the problem .
 

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Appointing him as a DoF when he gets sacked would, not only make us look even more poorly run, but be a huge mistake too.
His credentials for the position are even weaker than his managerial CV.
He needs to leave the club along with every member of the coaching staff, physio’s and scouts.
 

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Did Sir Alex?
If your referring to his experience when he was appointed Utd manager then yes he did.

Broke the dominance of the old firm and won a European trophy with Aberdeen.as for club management Scottish and English football where not worlds apart back in the 80s.

On our current way of thinking Bobby Charlton would have been appointed in November 1986(loves Utd and gets the club etc.)
 

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Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.
 

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Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.
Is this a WUM?
 

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If your referring to his experience when he was appointed Utd manager then yes he did.

Broke the dominance of the old firm and won a European trophy with Aberdeen.as for club management Scottish and English football where not worlds apart back in the 80s.

On our current way of thinking Bobby Charlton would have been appointed in November 1986(loves Utd and gets the club etc.)
Haha well he could have been appointed as a caretaker, gone on a record breaking winning streak and been given the job on the strength of that
 

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Failing as manager, let's make a new position and sweep him in there.

Just come on!
 

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That some on here keep talking about.

Have you lost your marbles?

So he fails as a manager, but let's give him a role that basically oversees our next manager.

Why are some so enamored with romanticism at this club?
There are many fans who want to play happy families and these people are quite happy to see us in the bottom half of the table, under Ole.
There are some fans who like to win at all costs and these are generally the people who were reasonably happy with what Jose was doing.
I fall into the later category.

I shall say this. Professional sport is not about playing happy families, but about winning.
Some fans will also use the term, "The Man Utd way". I will say that the MUFC way, is winning. It is not about hiring legends and finishing in 11th place. Throughout Fergie's reign, he routinely sold players against their will, who would be considered club legends. Beckham, Keane, Van Nistlerooy, to name but a few. He did this, not to play happy families, but to to keep the winning run going.

The romanticism needs to stop.

In saying all of the above, the issue is Edward Woodward. While he is in place, no matter who the manager is, he won't be given the tools to win the league.
 

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Failing as manager, let's make a new position and sweep him in there.

Just come on!
Yep. That's pretty much what some fans are saying.
Fergie ruthlessly got rid of players who had reached their peak and he certainly wouldn't hang on to staff who were woefully below par.

...and here's an example - give Ole the job because he is calm - I mean, WTF!!!

He looks like he knows what to do but can't connect with the players. It's fair to test it out. A crazy authoritarian as the manager and a calm DOF.
 

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Let´s not, let´s get the best of the best in there not someone who managed to buy us 2 safe players and a wild card.
 

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Failing as manager, let's make a new position and sweep him in there.

Just come on!
Sentimentalism is what is killing the club. Players overstay, young players are hyped and former players are giving top coaching roles despite proving nothing at coaching level.
 

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Sentimentalism is what is killing the club. Players overstay, young players are hyped and former players are giving top coaching roles despite proving nothing at coaching level.
Exactly - Ole needs time, Ole should be DoF... he's criminally unqualified. When we finally move away from the past we can start building our future.
 

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Ole has 100% success rate with signings (so far), he's been brilliant at promoting youth and he's been equally brilliant at culling the squad members who shouldn't be here. Where's he's been poor is at game management, coaching and tactics.

Solskjaer has shown he's capable at the DoF aspects of his current role. You can talk about 'success' elsewhere, but nowhere else has the same history, traditions and fan base expectations as you'll find at Old Trafford. Only Ole and SAF have shown they can do it at this club.

DoD would be perfect for him.
Aye someone who has no prior experience of being a DoD. Sure we could try him out and see how it goes. As for the first bolded sentence , just speechless...
 

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Aye someone who has no prior experience of being a DoD. Sure we could try him out and see how it goes. As for the first bolded sentence , just speechless...
Manchester United don't have a Director of Football, or a Technical Director, or a Sporting Director.

All that we have is a Manager, whose role covers all of the above in addition to coaching, man management and game management.

In effect, Solskjaer has had almost a full year of experience of those responsibilities. He's been found wanting at coaching and game management, but his handling of personalities and squad building has been spot on.
 

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Manchester United don't have a Director of Football, or a Technical Director, or a Sporting Director.

All that we have is a Manager, whose role covers all of the above in addition to coaching, man management and game management.

In effect, Solskjaer has had almost a full year of experience of those responsibilities. He's been found wanting at coaching and game management, but his handling of personalities and squad building has been spot on.
Like having literally no midfield and attack that scores 1 goal per game?

The squad is in absolute shambles and the worst since we have till Ferguson. The game is atrocious and the handling of personalities resulted of literally every player bar McT regressing in its development.

Other than that he's doing great I suppose...
 

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If Ed or Glazer's have any real sense, they'll go and get Campos. But in the Sky interview, they seem to suggest Chelsea are after him too. Whatever Chelsea are, they are a more progressive club than us, at the moment.

Ed has a real chance to make up some lost ground with Campos.
Don't think Campos would last long under Woody.
 

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Like having literally no midfield and attack that scores 1 goal per game?

The squad is in absolute shambles and the worst since we have till Ferguson. The game is atrocious and the handling of personalities resulted of literally every player bar McT regressing in its development.

Other than that he's doing great I suppose...
He's not the negotiator. We had more targets than the ones we signed, and more besides the ones that were reported.

Ole's philosophy on squad building is exactly what we need. Out with the old mercenaries, in with the new hungry youth.

His inability to coach them effectively is why he should be sacked as manager. His ruthlessness in vision and ability to correctly identify targets is why he should move upstairs.
 

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He's not the negotiator. We had more targets than the ones we signed, and more besides the ones that were reported.

Ole's philosophy on squad building is exactly what we need. Out with the old mercenaries, in with the new hungry youth.

His inability to coach them effectively is why he should be sacked as manager. His ruthlessness in vision and ability to correctly identify targets is why he should move upstairs.
Is this a joke? The man was happy to sign off selling multiple players without knowing the likelihood of getting replacements in. In fact this view of Ole having targets is debatable. He said himself there wasn't anyone who fit the profile he wanted.

Sacking off players to the bare bones without having capable replacements is a terrible piece of planning. It's beyond daft, he should be no where near a DoF or strategy role. He's done nothing to suggest he's competent there. In fact he's done the opposite. He made a farce of his Cardiff transfers bringing random joes in from Norway, and then literally sold goals from here.

There's literally no evidence to suggest he has a strong evaluation of footballing talent. Again there is the opposite because he thinks Pereira can operate as a right winger and Rashford as a 9. He shows no knowledge or pedigree in world talent and seems to lust over the Premier league whilst looking oblivious to other leagues.
 

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As you said - a DoF role is different than the one of the manager. Ole has been managing for like 10 years straight and at top level and PL he has been a monumental failure for 2 clubs already.

Clubs hire and rehire managers from time to time, but not straight away.

What message would it send to guys like Poch or Allegri if we are to get him - you are the manager, but you have to report to the guy who looked like an absolute clown with the exact same team you are managing?
To be fair, Luis Campos was a below average manager. But has been a big success at his first job as DOF with Monaco, the roles are so different that they don't really give you any indication on what one could do if he was given the other job.
 

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Is this a joke? The man was happy to sign off selling multiple players without knowing the likelihood of getting replacements in. In fact this view of Ole having targets is debatable. He said himself there wasn't anyone who fit the profile he wanted.

Sacking off players to the bare bones without having capable replacements is a terrible piece of planning. It's beyond daft, he should be no where near a DoF or strategy role. He's done nothing to suggest he's competent there. In fact he's done the opposite. He made a farce of his Cardiff transfers bringing random joes in from Norway, and then literally sold goals from here.

There's literally no evidence to suggest he has a strong evaluation of footballing talent. Again there is the opposite because he thinks Pereira can operate as a right winger and Rashford as a 9. He shows no knowledge or pedigree in world talent and seems to lust over the Premier league whilst looking oblivious to other leagues.
Our first choice front 3 is Rashford on the left, Martial up top and James on the right.

Lukaku wanted to leave because he'd dropped to second choice CF, and Sanchez for similar reasons on the wings. There was no point keeping unmotivated players. We tried to sign Eriksen and Dybala but neither wanted to come. What else could he have done?

We could have kept them, but unhappy and unmotivated players is how Mourinho got sacked. We could have bought lower level mercenaries, but below par players is how LvG got sacked.

As everybody has been saying all Summer, the United revolution is going to painful because we're no longer going to go down the easy route of bringing in stopgaps who turn into deadwood. Beyond that, the recruitment was always going to be hampered by the reality of our fall.

Without repeating the mistakes of the previous two managers, Ole has done as well as can be expected in his non-coaching duties.
 

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How many post SAF signings we thought weren't any good after 8 games? Not many. Surely if it's apparently too early to judge Ole, it's way too early to judge signings as well. This idea about our 3 signings being brilliant and best in 6 years seems premature to say the least and giving Ole the DoF job on the back of it would be even more irresponsible than the mess we created by hiring him permanently in the first place. And people say they don't want us to repeat the mistakes from the past!
 

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To be fair, Luis Campos was a below average manager. But has been a big success at his first job as DOF with Monaco, the roles are so different that they don't really give you any indication on what one could do if he was given the other job.
Last time Campos managed a club was around 15 years ago though... There's a gap of a decade between those roles. Some of the caftards are implying Ole should be moved straight away as a DoF.
 

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He's not the negotiator. We had more targets than the ones we signed, and more besides the ones that were reported.

Ole's philosophy on squad building is exactly what we need. Out with the old mercenaries, in with the new hungry youth.

His inability to coach them effectively is why he should be sacked as manager. His ruthlessness in vision and ability to correctly identify targets is why he should move upstairs.
Maguire was a target ever before he was considered a manager. James was recommended by Giggs.

That philosophy is the same as practically 90% of the other managers out there, the difference is that his is that those players should be British.

Some keep talking about targets we had but nothing concrete.

Longstaff for 50m is the answer to our problems?
 

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Our first choice front 3 is Rashford on the left, Martial up top and James on the right.
None of whom are established strikers, which is terrible planning going into the season. Also if one gets injured our front line is in chaos. That's not good planning whatever angle you look at it. Signing a player like say Mandzukic or Cavani doesn't suddenly mean you are only buying ageing players. There needs to be a balance between the two and Ole has gone into an extreme.

Also his idea that there were no identifiable targets is a pile of wank. Lozano is a hard worker, young, rapid and can play left right or central. Only went for 40m and is much better than any right wing option we have. Haller is a player who can play physically, interchange, selfless and hard working. Also went for 40m. Players are there - Ole is just out of his depth. Both these players didn't even have a lot of competition for them. They were open goals.

Lukaku wanted to leave because he'd dropped to second choice CF, and Sanchez for similar reasons on the wings. There was no point keeping unmotivated players.
I don't blame Lukaku. To be dislodged by Rashford as the 9 is a farce. But an unmotivated Lukaku is of better use than no one. He equalled goals and Old sold him and cited Greenwood as the guy to help us out for fecksake. As for Sanchez, his professionalism can't be questioned. He was always giving 100% in training and Ole said it himself. I have little doubt he will do better at Inter than Rashford might here, or at least he will be comparable. And yet we sold both.

We tried to sign Eriksen and Dybala but neither wanted to come. What else could he have done?
This is the problem for fecksake. It's reactionary. You think these were Ole targets or from our scouting set up? One was running down his contract and the other had a for sale sign from his own club. Ole and the club just reacted to the situation and took a punt. It was a clear panic thing, in the dying embers of the window. There are no reported targets that Ole had, and he'd been involved in transfer talk since he was a caretaker. Outside of dembele who is bang average there's no one. There is nothing to show he knows about strategy or identifying targets.
As for what he was supposed to do, here's an idea, how about doing his job and motivating players that were looking to leave? If they want to go the door should be open if we have replacements ready to recruit. If we don't, we keep them an extra year because we need them.
We could have kept them, but unhappy and unmotivated players is how Mourinho got sacked. We could have bought lower level mercenaries, but below par players is how LvG got sacked.
Mourinho got sacked massively because of his outings of transfer failures and bringing player mediocracy into the limelight. Which I think was needed and others thought was bad management. But hey, he was 9 points better off after the same number of games if I'm not mistaken, and he got sacked whilst Ole is still in charge. Go figure.

As everybody has been saying all Summer, the United revolution is going to painful because we're no longer going to go down the easy route of bringing in stopgaps who turn into deadwood. Beyond that, the recruitment was always going to be hampered by the reality of our fall.

Without repeating the mistakes of the previous two managers, Ole has done as well as can be expected in his non-coaching duties.
This is such a cop out answer. Yes there will be pain but there won't be absolute trash and below par performances versus sides that have worse squads than us. We may be down to bare bones but we have more quality than fecking Astana, Rochdale, AZ, Newcastle. I mean for fecksake no one can say "hey I told you it will hurt" to try and justify shit like that.
 

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It’s not romanticism, it’s taken Ole only his first transfer window to identify not only the right players to bring in but also ones to get one. I have no doubt he will continue to remove our long overdue average players if given the chance and bring the right ones in. You might say he’s only done what we can all see but none off our previous managers managed to this so quickly.

The issue I have is his lack of coaching ability.
His own ideas seem to be young and British. thats far too basic for our DOF
 

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Yeah DOF & Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs two jobs he's not qualified for.:rolleyes:
 

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Okay so we take a guy who has proven to be not up to par as the manager so we move him into a role where he has even more power and influence over the team? Instead of getting an experienced DoF with a vast network of scouts and relationships with clubs all over like say, Luis Campos, we should give the job to a guy who was naive enough to think Rashford, Martial, and Greenwood was all we needed up front or that the depth of his scouting is watching the PL highlights show? That gutting the squad was fine? Or that only Longstaff represented an upgrade on our dire midfield? Sorry but for all the talk of his signings being instant hits (hyperbole) he made equally big mistakes in the market that has caused our season to be a write off.

I would not be surprised if this happened, our club's incompetence knows no bounds.
 

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Sack him full stop. Then bring in the entire Ajax management team with van der Saar as DOF.
 

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Maguire was a target ever before he was considered a manager. James was recommended by Giggs.

That philosophy is the same as practically 90% of the other managers out there, the difference is that his is that those players should be British.

Some keep talking about targets we had but nothing concrete.

Longstaff for 50m is the answer to our problems?
We never bid for Longstaff.
 

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None of whom are established strikers, which is terrible planning going into the season. Also if one gets injured our front line is in chaos. That's not good planning whatever angle you look at it. Signing a player like say Mandzukic or Cavani doesn't suddenly mean you are only buying ageing players. There needs to be a balance between the two and Ole has gone into an extreme.

Also his idea that there were no identifiable targets is a pile of wank. Lozano is a hard worker, young, rapid and can play left right or central. Only went for 40m and is much better than any right wing option we have. Haller is a player who can play physically, interchange, selfless and hard working. Also went for 40m. Players are there - Ole is just out of his depth. Both these players didn't even have a lot of competition for them. They were open goals.



I don't blame Lukaku. To be dislodged by Rashford as the 9 is a farce. But an unmotivated Lukaku is of better use than no one. He equalled goals and Old sold him and cited Greenwood as the guy to help us out for fecksake. As for Sanchez, his professionalism can't be questioned. He was always giving 100% in training and Ole said it himself. I have little doubt he will do better at Inter than Rashford might here, or at least he will be comparable. And yet we sold both.



This is the problem for fecksake. It's reactionary. You think these were Ole targets or from our scouting set up? One was running down his contract and the other had a for sale sign from his own club. Ole and the club just reacted to the situation and took a punt. It was a clear panic thing, in the dying embers of the window. There are no reported targets that Ole had, and he'd been involved in transfer talk since he was a caretaker. Outside of dembele who is bang average there's no one. There is nothing to show he knows about strategy or identifying targets.
As for what he was supposed to do, here's an idea, how about doing his job and motivating players that were looking to leave? If they want to go the door should be open if we have replacements ready to recruit. If we don't, we keep them an extra year because we need them.


Mourinho got sacked massively because of his outings of transfer failures and bringing player mediocracy into the limelight. Which I think was needed and others thought was bad management. But hey, he was 9 points better off after the same number of games if I'm not mistaken, and he got sacked whilst Ole is still in charge. Go figure.



This is such a cop out answer. Yes there will be pain but there won't be absolute trash and below par performances versus sides that have worse squads than us. We may be down to bare bones but we have more quality than fecking Astana, Rochdale, AZ, Newcastle. I mean for fecksake no one can say "hey I told you it will hurt" to try and justify shit like that.
Reality isn't as easy as Football Manager.
 

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No way.

Ole would be a great club ambassador, always smiling, loves the club, club icon ...but to make key football decisions at a club of this size, whether it be as manager or DOF you need to have experience and a proven track record. Sadly the gamble with him hasnt paid off but we all know he was doomed to fail with this bunch of players and the mess left by Mourinho & Ed.