clarkydaz
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They ran the program twice mate. This is Manchester Unitedso what, we scouted every professional right back in the world?
They ran the program twice mate. This is Manchester Unitedso what, we scouted every professional right back in the world?
No wonder it takes us forever to get a deal over the line.so what, we scouted every professional right back in the world?
It was football manager wasn't it?They ran the program twice mate. This is Manchester United
How do you know he won't be sacked if he doesn't get top 4 ? Read it in the sun ?Bored of this nonsense, recruitment blah blah blah new signings.
If you give Solskjaer City's team he will fail, give him Liverpool he fails, Barcelona fails, PSG fails. It doesn't matter what contention of quality players we have at our disposal, so long as Ole is in charge the team will underachieve. He's a championship level manager. He's failed in the league repetitively, Moyes was sacked for lack of top four, Mourinho and LVG essentially the same. We have a manager so inept the new standard is now top 8, what a disgrace.
Yeah this is really worth keeping in mind when reading these articles, which are clearly puff pieces for Woodward. It should be stickied at the top ofnthe page.Just a reminder, in the last 18 months a chief scout said that the manager and woodward didn't care about their suggestions, the manager said that the scouts and Woodward didn't listen to his suggestion and Woodward said that he doesn't suggest anything. They are all deflecting blame.
1. Why did it take Woodward 4 years to establish a top of the line recruitment strategy/team? A good director of football would have brought that with him along with the ability to judge players with his eyes not just algorithms.
2. What amazing sophisticated algorithm churned out Fred's name?
3. If our new recruitment team is that amazing, why couldn't they find a no. 9 to replace Lukaku and a Right winger other than Manzdukic, Dybala and Sancho, names a 12 yr old who plays fifa can give you.
4. It's obvious to all that United desperately needs a proven DOF to oversee recruitment. Yet Woodward hasn't employed one. City would have bought a super computer instead of employing Tixki Begiristain if algorithms were sufficient to find good players. Where is the proactive approach in recruiting the best in class DOF, will that take another 4 years?
My other point is the arrogance of the club to think ours is somehow better than other clubs.Jazzed up is pushing it, probably is just FM.
It's pure Woodward-driven PR nonsense. Until we get a proper DOF, I won't buy into any of this propaganda. Ultimately, the proof is the dross that's being churned out on a weekly basis. Yes, our summer recruitment appears to be ok, but even that was flawed. It took way too long to get Maguire in, and even AWB dragged a bit. If ever there were an off-season in which we needed to: (a) clean out deadwood; (b) get a number of players in (more than 3,) (c) get them in early, it was this past summer.It's also pretty funny these kind of articles about our transfer strategy are coming out in force as if we are now an example to be give for how great we are in recruiting players and building teams.
Watch how these articles are going on and you will believe we are close to top positions in the league hence we are giving everyone an example of how to recruit to achieve success.
Then you look at the table and see us 14th with 1 point ahead of relegation zone and you just have to laugh out loud at this BS and go on with your life.
Woodward is going on so hard trying to defend his strategy and way of managing the club by spreading these things and briefing the media to show how the club has a plan when we have dogshite. We spent 150m on one of the best defenders and the hottest RB talent in the league. So much for this nonsense recruitment strategy. Woodward knows his position is in terrible state. That will be his 4th manager in 7 years and we are no where close to even top 4 never mind challenging for anything.
No? Do you think he improved 33% over that year?Don't you think a year under Maguire's belt playing in the PL would have had an effect?
Its Woodward just defending his turf, he won't come out this Ole fiasco unharmed and has gone into self preservation mode. God help us if Liverpool take us to the cleaners today, we won't hear the last of these 'long rebuild, Ole is the right guy' leaks.It's pure Woodward-driven PR nonsense. Until we get a proper DOF, I won't buy into any of this propaganda. Ultimately, the proof is the dross that's being churned out on a weekly basis. Yes, our summer recruitment appears to be ok, but even that was flawed. It took way too long to get Maguire in, and even AWB dragged a bit. If ever there were an off-season in which we needed to: (a) clean out deadwood; (b) get a number of players in (more than 3,) (c) get them in early, it was this past summer.
Thought I'd seen that club name before.It's interesting because this summer we hired Meredith, an analyst from St Pauli.
dunno how De Ligt or Neves would've been seeing as both broke through aged 16!Honestly I dont see why just need FM. Players like De ligt and Neves have been stars on there long before they became more famous. Arthur as well.
So, United have data on thousands of players all across the globe and end up signing three players from clubs playing in English leagues, two of which were extremely obvious signings.
Sounds like that all that data is really being put to good use.
Yeah. Tbf we've just signed Dan James, one of the best signings we've made in years. So hopefully the new scouting network is doing its work already.Even if it is blatantly a Woodward briefing, it sounds like he is actually learning. This is how it should be done, with competent people making the calls using good data. The article makes it seem like he has changed his approach several times, so I forgive him for his past mistakes as he has clearly been learning (albeit painfully slow). In the absence of the genius that was SAF, we need a team of highly technical and highly competent people who use data to inform their decisions and support the manager.
This is how Liverpool have built the incredible team that they have. They only hired Klopp after they checked with their Director of Research, who vetted him mostly by analysing data from games (he didnt even watch most of his final season at Dortmund). That same Director of Research has a hand in all their signings. Their new focus on using data analysis in decision making at every level is what has brought them their new found success.
If Woodward keeps his thick accountant brain bean counting and making deals with our new Official Socks Sponsor or whatever, then I for one will not protest his employ for the next window or two. As long as he leaves the decision making to the pros then I'm willing to wait and see what players this new system brings in.
This just isn't true. These databases are a real thing, and they are crazy extensive. First off, what kind of data might be available obviously depends a lot from league to league, but most modern football leagues track all relevant microdata such as pass%, tackle%, a ton of passing data such as pass to area, pass%, high danger pass (gps data models player position, tracks ball movement and the dataset can give you a indication of how "safe" a player passes the ball), pass to opposition/interception, shot on/off target, pass length avg, crosses, header, etc etc etc. The dataset can be matched against opposing teams to provide a score in a series of categories to rank difficulty. For example a good pass% v real madrid means more than a great pass% v Bolton. There are literally hundreds of datacategories that are available from the respective leagues spread over all positions and situations. With the introduction of GPS tracking software, statistical analysis went from a pen and paper operation to a real gamechanger.This is exactly how PR works. What they want public to conclude is "we have understanding of 804 RBs, their potential & their strengths & weakness". In reality all they might have is their names and current Club/location.
PR Game, def Woodie briefing. I think heat is turning on him, may be due to the club buyout or being pressured to give up the role to a real DoF.
Hey friend. That is a lie. And you know it. We targeted several players last transfer window that we were unable to get done for various reasons. There is no second best option.Analyse 73,000 players world wide, then decide that only 130m on a right back and centre back will do.
He was Head of Performance Analysis at Brentford for 5 years up untill Rangers poached him in 2015. From what I know he was highly regarded at Brentford, which coming from a club who have used analytics to extremely good effect in the last few years, should bode well. However my understanding is that at Brentofrd he wasn't so much involved in the recruitment side but more in provding analysis of player performance to the management team and the individual players. He won't have access to all the excellent analytic tools and databases Matthew Benham has provided at Brentford either. I can't speak to his time since moving on from Brentford which he may have moved into the pure recruitment side.
Would you rather get a right back who is unknown just so the system can be justified? What about James, did your granny know of him too?United had data on 804 right-backs around the world. And bought the one even my granny knew about.
Νο that was Giggs.Would you rather get a right back who is unknown just so the system can be justified? What about James, did your granny know of him too?
Claiming it was because of Giggs we signed James is daft. They might scouted James based on his running stats on Wyscout. I'm sure that was Ole's recommendation when finding a player of that criteria. Ole asks a player, scouts do their research on wyscout, they go on a scouting mission, abilities ticks all the boxes, find recommendation (Giggs), check his background, sign the player.Νο that was Giggs.