PSR isnt forcing any club to sell promising academy graduates, if you end up having to do that its because you havent managed your finances properly
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PSR isnt forcing any club to sell promising academy graduates, if you end up having to do that its because you havent managed your finances properly
This is very true.
It just incentivises it though, doesn't it. Its better for your finances to sell an academy player than it is a player you've bought 24 months earlier.
Who's PSR does this deal to BlueCo have an impact on then?
Football is dead isn't it.
Kind of yes, but that was a bit more egregious because they signed him for a completely unrelated club in Troyes and loaned him to Girona, along other clubs. There's like 10 different clubs involved in City Group.
My guess is BlueCo will park this player at Strasbourg and he'll play for them. If he becomes good enough for Chelsea, they'll sell him to Chelsea. If he outgrows Strasbourg but not to the level Chelsea want, they'll sell him to some other team who can afford him.
It's mad that BlueCo have even briefed it in this manner. We all know what they're doing with Strasbourg, but surely it would have been less horrible PR for them to just straight up announce him as a Strasbourg signing and say nothing else.
Let's be honest, ever since Abramovic took over Chelsea, their entire successful historical period, from 2002 to present is mired in controversy and dubiousness.
Yeah, I don't really understand why they'd say they see him as a future Chelsea player. Can they just set their own price for whatever they want it to be since they own both clubs, or does UEFA check for "market value"? Either way it opens all kinds of doors for ways to get around PSR via trading players between clubs. Send players in both directions to balance things out, etc. Hell, just loan players to your main club, they don't even need to own them!
If a club is spending 96% of their turnover on player wages its their own fault they are forced to sell players to comply with PSR
Strasbourgs as he is joining them
UEFA will always check and confirm the market value. So they can't send him to Chelsea for £5m, to help Chelsea, if he explodes into a top player. And they can't sell him to Chelsea for £100m to help Strasbourg either.
But yes, there needs to be added scrutiny on dealings between clubs under the same ownership. It's too easy to hide some dodgy shit in plain sight if no-one's looking.
Its not even that though is it. Selling McTominay was better for PSR than selling Wan Bissaka. Even if they'd sold for the exact same fee
If he's joining Strasbourg, why are the headlines he's joing BlueCo? Just say he's joining Strasbourg and then sell him to Chelsea in 12 or 24 months.
There is another aspect to the multi club model people are kidding; one that I think you will see used in the near future … retaining the best Academy players.
How? Well, say you have that ultra promising 18, 19, 20 year old and.good, developed team… do you wait to see him develop more? Or do you use that pure profit injection of a fee to balance off PSR books or SQR for a year you need it?
Why not have both? You sell the academy player to a sister club for what is pure profit. The next year you buy him back at a very small mark up on an amortized structure. You got your large single injection of cash, and you got your player back on a structure that fits in your year to year. And .. they could appreciate more… always having the flexibility to maintain the best team possible.
Demonizing groups for building better structures, better academies and better teams just seems weird.
How? Well, say you have that ultra promising 18, 19, 20 year old and.good, developed team… do you wait to see him develop more? Or do you use that pure profit injection of a fee to balance off PSR books or SQR for a year you need it?
Why not have both? You sell the academy player to a sister club for what is pure profit. The next year you buy him back at a very small mark up on an amortized structure. You got your large single injection of cash, and you got your player back on a structure that fits in your year to year. And .. they could appreciate more… always having the flexibility to maintain the best team possible.
Demonizing groups for building better structures, better academies and better teams just seems weird.
Do you not see any problems at all with this? Are you even being serious?
I understand the need to protect your own club, we all do it. But i am 100% sure you would have a hard time argumenting like this if it was any other club than Chelsea involved.
At one point I thought this was satire, but then I saw who you supported. I don't think I have ever seen City fans justify this stuff, they are just happy they won the lottery.
fecking hell
And yeah this is a bit sickening isn’t it. Really sending the sport down the drain. Wankers americanising the sport.
It made me laugh that they inserted a buy back clause into Amougou's sale. They own both clubs so can set the fee themselves at fair market value, so there is no need for a buy back clause, unless it's an attempt to move the player back to Chelsea at less than market value if he becomes really good, which it clearly is.
I imagine their dealings go something like Charlie negotiating with himself on Clarkson's Farm.
I haven't seen it, but my grandma once started bidding against herself at an auction because she thought both her kids would want the item so was bidding for both of them. The auctioneer was kind enough to stop her
Unfortunately we‘ve seen this with the countless transfers from Salzburg to Leipzig. Feck all these clubs.
Might be in the form of old school linkups but I guess remains to be seen.
Nagoya Grampus are Toyota FC and Friedkin owns the Gulf States Toyota franchise (major Toyota distributor in America).
Oo yeah. Forgot about that. Makes more sense now why they also have the partnership with Roma. Yay for multiclub ownership.
I hope we follow the Bluelion method next.
Roma are sponsored by Toyota too, as well as Auberge Resorts (Friedkin owned), so expect these to turn up on a hoarding or training kit near you in the very near future as well.
Why are you surprised?
They are the original Man City. Chelsea fans have been living in self-delusion since 2002, and each step of the way, through their successes had to self-talk themselves into believing that they're one of the "good guys". City coming was a huge relief for them.
The whole shit with FFP rules and hyper inflated markets exists in part because of the Pandoras box that was opened by them and Abramovic.
They're as responsible as City, nay, worse, for the state of affairs today. The pioneers of it.
For delusional Chelsea fans who think Strasbourg fans are happy about the situation, their biggest ultra group (but all their groups agree anyway) released yet another statement a few days ago. I linked the reddit thread since it contains a translated version of their statement, which is pretty good.
They've started every game with a 15 min silence to protest against BlueCo and have brought anti-BlueCo banners every game.
They've started every game with a 15 min silence to protest against BlueCo and have brought anti-BlueCo banners every game.
Already mentioned and posted by other Chelsea fans.
It's probably best to address the one Chelsea fan who said most weren't unhappy rather than blanket grouping Chelsea fans as delusional.
Fair, I was mostly talking about Chelsea fans in general on socials because I've seen many try to defend the strategy but I'll say those who are on this board are objective and level-headed (except for a couple exceptions).
It maybe doesn't force you to sell academy grads, but it certainly incentivizes you financially to do so.
I can't imagine most are happy with this, and the ones that are I'm guessing are mostly fans abroad. What's the general fan sentiment been like? Have protests been organized e.g.?
The problem I think is that most fans don't like it, but they don't like it enough to stop supporting the club or do something about it. It's easily dismissed as the way to do if you want to be competitive, so it's creating a lot of cognitive dissonance for folks
Protests from Chelsea fans? No. Its hard to gauge to be honest. Because @huyn is right, on twitter, reddit and these sorts of platforms there are lots of Chelsea fans cheerleading this kind of thing. The Chelsea fans I know in real life are mostly split into two camps 1) they dislike MCO and all the bullshit that comes with it but not strong enough feelings to bother spending their time and energy protesting against it, and 2) the slightly older crowd who can't muster up the will power to care about anything other going to the Bridge to watch their team.
It's much more of a mixed bag online. In fact it's probably leaning more towards more fans who think if it gives Chelsea any kind of advantage that it's all good.
Are we still barred from signing players from Nice (if we wanted to) ?
Yes because the rules would be applied to us.
I'm pretty sure the reason you were stopped from doing one particular transfer is bcos you were in the same competition at the time? I may be misremembering now, but it was something to do with that. Don't think the rules would stop you doing it now.
We are banned from signing players from Nice until September
Okay, my bad. A quick Google search told me what I was missing. It was a ban put in place for you and Nice plus City and Girona in order to allow you all to compete in the same competition last season.
I dont blame Chelsea fans for not protesting against it. If it was my club doing it, I wouldn't be happy but I wouldn't go out of my way to protest against it.
I dont even blame Chelsea, they're using the rules (or the lack or rules) to their advantage, they're not doing anything illegal and if you look at their whole strategy it kind of makes sense, they're trying to optimize everything in terms of finance and football and probably have a bigger staff than other major clubs.
I blame FIFA, UEFA and the domestic leagues and federations for allowing it to happen. I dont have a lot of faith in Infantino or Čeferin but looking at it from my french POV, I dont see why the french authorities couldnt implement rules to stop it since it weakens our clubs.
And of course it's not only Strasbourg because at least Chelsea are doing it the worst way (or the most optimal way depending on how you look at it) and the results are good, but look at Troyes which City used for a while to develop players like Savinho but now they've completely abandoned them.
Same feeling from Nice fans since INEOS took over Man Utd, they feel neglected and it shows in their transfer activity.
This one guy can never see anything wrong in what Boehly and/or Clearlake do. The strange breed of fan who seems more a supporter of the club owners and the corporation rather than the club/team itself. The type of dude who identifies more with the club executives than he does with his fellow supporters or the larger footballing community as a whole. Very likely a guy who posts cringey shite on LinkedIn about how to be 'successful' in life.
About what you’d expect I guess. Despite all the bluster, United fans would mostly go along with it if Qatar had bought out the Glazers. I think fans are mostly concerned with the standing of the club, moreso than ethics. Despite everything that’s been said, protest would for the most part go away if we were topping the table.
Success at any cost is a sad, but very natural and human point of view