At what point does personal responsibility come in then? Hardly think exam stress or uni fees would be a factor to students who probably never turn up to class or, if they do, never even try to engage with the lesson.
Murder rate in London exceeds that of NYC
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There has to be a change in society. We do all have free will and there does not to be some personal responsibility involved. However these people tend to be vulnerable members of society, they are not capable of living a life outside of the streets. The vast majority of gang members I have come across are mentally impaired in one way or another, hence solely blaming them is a little unfair IMO.
No one grows up wanting to live the street life, they feel as though due to their environment and the opportunities they have, this is not their best but their only option. This is where society and the government needs to do more.
Society as a whole including the government and the individuals need to make changes to combat this issue.
Last thing we need are knee-jerk solutions from politicians. Sure, take reasonable steps to make it harder for young people to get hold of knives but that won't necessarily stop them. Its a problem certainly but the sensationalised headlines don't tell the whole story and Britain let alone London isn't the worst in violent crimes or intentional deaths compared to NYC or America, not even against Denmark's statistics.
The causes are varied and hard to accurately identify and some have been festering away for decades.
The causes are varied and hard to accurately identify and some have been festering away for decades.
If they're struggling with work and it's a non stop bubble of stress then I can understand why some would think "feck it". Uni Fees is a big deal breaker for some, I was put off going to Uni for that very reason and in that scenario I felt that school after GCSEs was pretty much a waste of time.
Personal responsibility should not be applied to kids aged 15-16, the stress for kids starts very early at school too with exams constantly being fired at them from primary school age. It's just a sad part of modern life and people moan at how our kids grow up too fast nowadays and yet when it comes to kids that struggle people like to abandon them and point fingers.
Sesame Street simple even without the Kermit the frog voiceover. He's stating the bleeding obvious and getting in digs at the left without once suggesting how we can put his magical Gini coefficient back in the bottle. We know, and so does he, that when the politicians and alt-right mouthpieces that love to quote him come to propose solutions however they will use his "intellectual" stating of the obvious to reject calls for improved social conditions, welfare and education and instead opt for segregation and ghettoisation to keep the problems away from their neighbourhoods and will only use things like these crime statistics to force through more intrusive tactics and draconian rules like stop and search or the mail order knife ban whilst not really giving a damn whether London's burning so long as the bit on fire is only the dodgy neighbourhoods of Brixton.
Personal responsibility always comes into it until the point where it crosses the line into criminality and the responsibility of law needs to take over. We have to be able to offer something to kids in terms of education and prospects though to prevent them getting to that line. Wringing our hands and doing nothing but bemoan the sensationalised crime statistics is a surefire route to the American system with mega-jails packed with young offenders who never even got a chance to figure out their place in the world before the system told them their place was a six foot cell.
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Politicians will almost always address the symptoms in the most ineffective manner.
Gentrification is arguably the root of the problem. London is a fantastic city to be in if you're rich, or a high flying professional, but for the average working class (or even middle class) individual, prospects can be bleak.
When will a kid from a council block ever be able to buy their own property, or even make enough to comfortably pay rent in a city where prices are so extortionately inflated? It's inevitable that many will turn to crime.
When will a kid from a council block ever be able to buy their own property, or even make enough to comfortably pay rent in a city where prices are so extortionately inflated? It's inevitable that many will turn to crime.
Just an interesting point I thought I'd contribute.
I assume everyone is aware of these new private prisons? Where the government pay the private company an annual fee to look after the inmates. Not to mention the fact that whilst in prison, they can be used for cheap labour. Massive multi-national corporations making money from this labour by selling the goods or services. Practically using the prisoners as slaves paying them peanuts.
Believe this is a much larger industry in the US but does exist in the UK too.
Not to mention once leaving prison these people have literally no rehabilitation, are likely to worse than when they entered. Plus with the criminal record, it makes there prospects when they leave even worse, and makes them increasingly likely to reoffend.
Have a feeling some tweaks to the justice system in this regard would be much welcomed. Prisoners should be rehabilitated not used for profit.
Essentially the more prisoners in private prisons, the more money these corporations make. So is it really any wonder why society is it how is? Is there perhaps another agenda, are we really doing everything we can to aif these people to prevent them from choosing the roads? Or are we contempt with their choices, as they are profitable? Some people in some environments have been failed.
I assume everyone is aware of these new private prisons? Where the government pay the private company an annual fee to look after the inmates. Not to mention the fact that whilst in prison, they can be used for cheap labour. Massive multi-national corporations making money from this labour by selling the goods or services. Practically using the prisoners as slaves paying them peanuts.
Believe this is a much larger industry in the US but does exist in the UK too.
Not to mention once leaving prison these people have literally no rehabilitation, are likely to worse than when they entered. Plus with the criminal record, it makes there prospects when they leave even worse, and makes them increasingly likely to reoffend.
Have a feeling some tweaks to the justice system in this regard would be much welcomed. Prisoners should be rehabilitated not used for profit.
Essentially the more prisoners in private prisons, the more money these corporations make. So is it really any wonder why society is it how is? Is there perhaps another agenda, are we really doing everything we can to aif these people to prevent them from choosing the roads? Or are we contempt with their choices, as they are profitable? Some people in some environments have been failed.
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You've obviously not seen Paris recently.
That simply isn't true. No matter how useless she is or isn't, its squarely on the people who decide to carry knives and then stab people to death with them.
Yeah that was a load of crock. Crime already was on the decline before Giuliani got into office.
Right, the home secretary for 6 years and prime minister for 2 doesn't hold responsibility for what's going on inside the UK?
Amver Rudds different approaches to nullify the story on police number cut is hillarious.
She suggests she wants to work on evidence not anecdote (like the leaked memo she's not seen surely?), that focusing on police number ignores other issues (because we can't look at multi-factors?), that it would be a disservice to communites (feck knows).
If the home secretary putting out new policy on violence hasn't put the impact assessment of police number cuts as front and centre of their analysis and approach then they have to be sacked. Useless rotten bunch
She suggests she wants to work on evidence not anecdote (like the leaked memo she's not seen surely?), that focusing on police number ignores other issues (because we can't look at multi-factors?), that it would be a disservice to communites (feck knows).
If the home secretary putting out new policy on violence hasn't put the impact assessment of police number cuts as front and centre of their analysis and approach then they have to be sacked. Useless rotten bunch
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Skeng is a gun not knife
Not really, people have been getting jumped, stabbed and shot way before this new wave of UK drill & road rap. The beef and gang wars predate most of these rappers every stepping foot in a studio. The music is a product of the environment.
Also @The Purley King
He must be refering to CompStat right?
The success of the strategy seems to be controversial, acc. to wiki at least:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory#New_York_City
MI5 need to hack all of the crews phones and send an abuse storm to each other with a location setup for a Battle Royale contest. Last man standing can be picked up by the Police.
That's what I call effective population control. Let them fight/stab/ shoot it out in controlled circumstances!
That's what I call effective population control. Let them fight/stab/ shoot it out in controlled circumstances!
Spot on. Not to mention the fact that although alot of the music and lyrics does glorify the street life, there is a big part of the genre which actually speaks out against it. For every nines there is an akala.
Yeah.
Not to mention the pressure put on NYPD rank and file to engage in discriminatory practices such as Stop and Frisk.
Sigh......
Policies have influence on these things... that's the entire point of policy in the first place.
Here, this is from the outlet that goes all out to support her:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5578031/Theresa-Mays-cuts-Home-Secretary-come-haunt-PM.html
Those stats are pretty bleak. Police cuts have obviously had a big impact, but more police alone won't change this weird knife culture that has built up among our teens.
Sure, there's always a lot of factors with any individual crime. Having thought about it a bit I now think @jimmyb2000 meant to say the perpetrators are the guilty ones and those most responsible, and i'd agree with that, but to say government has no influence whatsoever isn't right either. Our most focused response to things like these as a society will always need to be through the government because we lack other means. Sure I'd love it if knifes etc. would go out of fashion or people with knifes get talked into leaving them at home by their friends, but I don't see any realistic way of making that happen.
Anyone caught carrying a knife, gun or acid should be given the same sentence as they’d get for attempted murder.
Zero tolerance with a minimum ten year stretch in prison.
Zero tolerance with a minimum ten year stretch in prison.
Lets hope you never have to unblock a toilet then, hey?
You know what I mean.
Not really. Sounds like you want to introduce insanely draconian laws based on a knee-jerk over-reaction – so its only fair to question how you would envisage your law applying when routine, every day, uses for items you want to ban lead people to be caught in possession with them.
No, that's not helping anybody. What is actually deterring, or at least vastly more powerful than what you proposed, is increasing the likelyhood of being cuaght.
Great work Theresa.
Let's keep cutting police budgets, it's clearly going to help the problem. 
The crime survey shows no increase in violent crime and I believe most experts agree that it’s more accurate than police recorded crime.
A sad bump as a man in his 30s was shot dead and another seriously hurt outside Queensbury Tube Station, North West London just a few minutes ago.
That makes this the 60th murder investigated by London Police this year according to BBC.
No arrests made yet. One woman who heard loud bangs said she "saw two boys running away".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43971466
That makes this the 60th murder investigated by London Police this year according to BBC.
No arrests made yet. One woman who heard loud bangs said she "saw two boys running away".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43971466
Two more to add to the list. A 12 year old and a 15 year old shot dead in Harrow, North West London.
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-05-06/police-investigate-after-boys-12-and-15-shot-in-harrow/
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-05-06/police-investigate-after-boys-12-and-15-shot-in-harrow/
Is this all gang related ?
Some context particularly after Trump's speech at the NRA
President Trump Targeted London's Knife Crime at the NRA — But London's Murder Rate Is Lower Than Every Big U.S. City's
http://time.com/5266759/donald-trump-london-knife-crime-murder-rate/
President Trump Targeted London's Knife Crime at the NRA — But London's Murder Rate Is Lower Than Every Big U.S. City's
http://time.com/5266759/donald-trump-london-knife-crime-murder-rate/
You should look at suburbs of Paris and parts of Germany and Belgium. They are grim. They are in the news because of radicalisation of some youth who have a history of violent crime and murder. There are other parts of England that have a problem as well. Not just London. The task at hand now is to prevent the so called ghettoisation that is being seen in Paris.
The cuts to police spending have had a very bad affect on police. Theresa May was a useless Home Secretary and she then got promoted to Number 10 for being rubbish in the Home Office.
They didn’t die and they’re not in a life threatening condition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44024948