RedDevil@84
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Matchday threads will decide who stays in the team and who gets kicked.Feck me. Caftards would make worse owners than the Glazers.
Matchday threads will decide who stays in the team and who gets kicked.Feck me. Caftards would make worse owners than the Glazers.
I have a degree in Banking & Finance if that countsWho would be our Ed...
Ideas as in?
good callI predicted this. I am genius.
You get my vote. Now we need to decide who gives you the wet willy, as is traditionI have a degree in Banking & Finance if that counts
You know zeroes are worth nothing so add a few on to what you have, make it twelve figures and buy the whole shebang with enough over for a kebab!Very curious to find out more about the shares offered. If it makes sense I'm going in with 6 figures.
Do not touch with a barge pole. Think about the mechanics behind this - Glazers have come in, loaded us with debt and taken advantage of the club's legacy to build a commercial behemoth, there is major fan discontent and they are playing us like a fiddle after they just lost billions from the failed ESL breakaway.MUST is concerned that there is a risk that the scheme will limit the number of such Fan Shares made available so reducing the opportunity for this to achieve a meaningful collective fan ownership stake - and ultimately with the potential to result in a change in control of the club.
This is also clearly a "jump before we're pushed" move on their behalf.Do not touch with a barge pole. Think about the mechanics behind this - Glazers have come in, loaded us with debt and taken advantage of the club's legacy to build a commercial behemoth, there is major fan discontent and they are playing us like a fiddle after they just lost billions from the failed ESL breakaway.
I'll invest 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 into that kebab ideaYou know zeroes are worth nothing so add a few on to what you have, make it twelve figures and buy the whole shebang with enough over for a kebab!
I could be wrong but my understanding is that the fan shareholders will vote as a block so you will likely be required to let MUST or someone vote in a proxy fashion.Maybe I do not fully understand the proposal, but I cannot see how this proposal alters anything.
To get any fan control will cost £2B in shares purchases. Also all the individual shareholders would have to be of the same mind to overturn any proposal by the Glazer's. You cannot get members of CAF to agree, so what chance.
Steep for money to burn. Surely the Caf can come up with a better investment opportunity for youVery curious to find out more about the shares offered. If it makes sense I'm going in with 6 figures.
You get my vote. Now we need to decide who gives you the wet willy, as is tradition
if there are enough suckers driving up MU to a valuation of 10B, I am sure they will sell.Not so sure about that...see Gamestop or AMC. Fans investment into United will be based upon emotion which could in turn drive the price much higher than United's actual worth.
Edited that for youhttps://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NYSE/Man Utd/dividend/ - Manchester United do pay out dividends annually. But the key factor for any investor here would be stock valuation and potential profit on sale.
My motivation personally is to own a reasonably sizeable stake in the club I love, so the owners can maintain their dividend payments and possibly sign an over priced player, who probably doesn't solve an issue we have, but will appease the fans (see Van Beek as an example).
DD has always struck me as the same as most people who want to lead these type of organisations - a bit of an egotist.What’s up with MUST guys? They seem to be pretty divisive. I wasn’t following online during the takeover so I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff there.
Same, get that vibe from him too.DD has always struck me as the same as most people who want to lead these type of organisations - a bit of an egotist.
What were you (and other people) expecting? I hope it's not that the owners would just donate half of the club to fans? Or if they will sell shares at lower than market prices?Maybe I do not fully understand the proposal, but I cannot see how this proposal alters anything.
To get any fan control will cost £2B in shares purchases. Also all the individual shareholders would have to be of the same mind to overturn any proposal by the Glazer's. You cannot get members of CAF to agree, so what chance.
it’s not irrelevant if someone is pushing the share price up surely?the glazers could sell their shares at a premium - so that a new buyer has a controlling interest, this is irrelevant to other shareholders.
It’s nearly always the way. United fans are also a notoriously hard bunch to get to agree on even the more simple stuff as our online fans come from all over the world and all walks of life. I wonder how the local fans view MUST?DD has always struck me as the same as most people who want to lead these type of organisations - a bit of an egotist.
Why?I would rather support City than have Must involved in owning United
I wish I knew more about it. It’ll all hopefully become clearer in the next few days what their actual plan is. I can imagine there’ll be massive worldwide interest in shares with potential voting power and representation at board level. It could also all just be a PR stunt/crude cash grab from the glazers. They sell a billions worth of shares but still have veto.How much could realistically be raised this way? And how much would be needed to gain a controlling stake - assuming there is no actual limit which is doubtful?
We are not being run well. That much is obvious even to a blind man who's got sound-cancelling headphones on 24/7.Frankly, I’m actually very surprised they would offer this.
There is no reason to do this from a company structure standpoint. I have three companies and investors have non voting shares, and are willing to take it, given the the returns we throw off.
The volume of the voice MUST will have will really depend on the amount of shares they offer to the trust. In cases where additional capital is required to grow the business, you offer a larger “voice” or shares.
At the end of the day, sitting on the board and privy to all of the financials, you begin to realize that those running the biz may not be idiots, but rather have a lot of challenges.
A seat on the board is a BIG deal IMHO, because voicing the fan’s concern is an immense opportunity. That said, most members on the board will be concerned about profits and shareholder value.
I am in no way a shill for the Glazers... feel free to check back thru my posts. But understand that the world of finance is different from the football pitch. But BOTH wars need to be won for us to be successful as a club.