Myles Lewis-Skelly

We seem to have Arsenal fairly well scouted to be fair, I trust it's another one that will look like a good deal. If we like him and he's clearly shown a good deal of promise and he wants the move there's a lot of upside for the right price.
 
Ali Dia said:
We seem to have Arsenal fairly well scouted to be fair, I trust it's another one that will look like a good deal. If we like him and he's clearly shown a good deal of promise and he wants the move there's a lot of upside for the right price.
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What do you think is the right price for Utd?
 
VARsenal said:
Why are Champions league minutes worth less than PL minutes exactly? MLS played all of Arsenal's CL group games, notably against Bayern, Inter and Atletico and beat all of them. Explain how those minutes are worth less consideration than Heaven's PL minutes?

That's not even mentioning that the original statement was about minutes in all competitions, somehow that's completely been taken out of context to make MLS' time played look bad.
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Well it’s probably a better comparison as we’ve played a grand total of 180 minutes in cups this season.

Express your lad’s minutes as a percentage of total minutes Arsenal have played, and the numbers will look even worse.
 
VARsenal said:
Why are Champions league minutes worth less than PL minutes exactly? MLS played all of Arsenal's CL group games, notably against Bayern, Inter and Atletico and beat all of them. Explain how those minutes are worth less consideration than Heaven's PL minutes?

That's not even mentioning that the original statement was about minutes in all competitions, somehow that's completely been taken out of context to make MLS' time played look bad.
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IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
Well it’s probably a better comparison as we’ve played a grand total of 180 minutes in cups this season.

Express your lad’s minutes as a percentage of total minutes Arsenal have played, and the numbers will look even worse.
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Yep exactly this.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
Well it’s probably a better comparison as we’ve played a grand total of 180 minutes in cups this season.

Express your lad’s minutes as a percentage of total minutes Arsenal have played, and the numbers will look even worse.
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TheReligion said:
Yep exactly this.
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Why though? 1min =1min whether at Arsenal or at Man United.

Expressing it as a percentage simply indicates his importance to the team and at no point has anyone claimed MLS has been an important player this season.

The original statement was simply:
GoonerBear said:
Can't be many other teenagers getting many more minutes at the top EPL clubs across all comps this season?
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And that statement wasn't incorrect, there aren't many teens getting more gametime at a top PL club, even if he's just been a squad player this season.
If we go back just 1 year he played most of Arsenal's PL games, this season though has clearly been a big focus on getting over the line with as little risk as possible meaning putting as little pressure as possible on the teens in the team.
 
VARsenal said:
Minutes played this season:
Heaven - 800min
Yoro - 1705min
Mainoo - 1266min
Estevao - 1504min
O'Reilly - 3331min
Gray - 2159min
Bergval - 1352min

Miles Lewis-Skelly - 1298min
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Thanks for this. How many minutes has Heaven had under Carrick?
 
I think this is a no brainer if he’s available.

He’s always been very highly rated throughout the youth groups, and his step up to seniors last year, going deep in the CL and playing a lot of Prem football was spectacular.

His explosiveness and physicality could really prove a big weapon in the half spaces. He really reminds me of Moussa Dembele.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
I think this is a no brainer if he’s available.

He’s always been very highly rated throughout the youth groups, and his step up to seniors last year, going deep in the CL and playing a lot of Prem football was spectacular.

His explosiveness and physicality could really prove a big weapon in the half spaces. He really reminds me of Moussa Dembele.
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Only a no brainer if we're playing a proper winger on the left going forward
 
MaMa given red said:
I'm always wary when rival clubs are prepared to sell to us.

If Arsenal really rated him they wouldn't be letting him go here.
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It sounds like Skellige is pushing for a move himself, though.
 
Drainy said:
Only a no brainer if we're playing a proper winger on the left going forward
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He could also function as a fourth choice CM too. Two birds.

We could have:
- Midfield: New CM; new CM; Mainoo; Skelly
- LB: Shaw; Skelly; Dorgu
 
DWelbz19 said:
He could also function as a fourth choice CM too. Two birds.

We could have:
- Midfield: New CM; new CM; Mainoo; Skelly
- LB: Shaw; Skelly; Dorgu
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Yes, he can do a job as a Mainoo substitute when hes unavailable.

Good luck getting the ball off them if they're the left side axis in midfield third
 
GoonerBear said:
Thanks for this. How many minutes has Heaven had under Carrick?
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He’s played 15 minutes since Carrick was appointed on 13th Jan and we went from a back 5 to a back 4.

Guess how many minutes more that is than Lewis-Skelly has played since Carrick was appointed… yep, 15. And that’s all competitions, in case you were wondering.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
He’s played 15 minutes since Carrick was appointed on 13th Jan and we went from a back 5 to a back 4.

Guess how many minutes more that is than Lewis-Skelly has played since Carrick was appointed… yep, 15. And that’s all competitions, in case you were wondering.
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And what's your opinion on that? Is he wrong to get so little?
 
GoonerBear said:
And what's your opinion on that? Is he wrong to get so little?
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No. Heaven has been very inconsistent. Some games he looks a world beater then others he costs us points and is all over the place. That's normal for young players.

He'll be given time and bounce back, no doubt, part of our success recently has been more experience in the first team
 
Drainy said:
No. Heaven has been very inconsistent. Some games he looks a world beater then others he costs us points and is all over the place. That's normal for young players.

He'll be given time and bounce back, no doubt, part of our success recently has been more experience in the first team
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Quite a similar story to Lewis-Skelly this season then, who has looked quite shaky at times when isolated at left back, more so than last season in his break out year i'd say, which isn't really ideal when you are challenging for a title, & every dropped point matters.
 
GoonerBear said:
Quite a similar story to Lewis-Skelly this season then, who has looked quite shaky at times when isolated at left back, more so than last season in his break out year i'd say, which isn't really ideal when you are challenging for a title, & every dropped point matters.
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True. Though its clear that Arteta has a preference for a different profile of LB, and keeps signing more ahead of him so its a good clue to get out while stock is high.

At United after Shaw its an open contest for LB. Probably next year Shaw will be rotated so its there to be taken.

There's Dorgu, who may be seconded to winger as he's not as reliable on the ball deeper
Mazraoui or Dalot wrong sided
Amass and Leon, young kids
 
Drainy said:
True. Though its clear that Arteta has a preference for a different profile of LB, and keeps signing more ahead of him so its a good clue to get out while stock is high.

At United after Shaw its an open contest for LB. Probably next year Shaw will be rotated so its there to be taken.

There's Dorgu, who may be seconded to winger as he's not as reliable on the ball deeper
Mazraoui or Dalot wrong sided
Amass and Leon, young kids
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To be honest, i don't want him at left back really.

I want him to return to his natural position and be part of 4 players vying for 2 centre midfield spots.

How i'd build the squad is we sign a young midfielder this summer (Bouaddi?), allow an MLS loan, & by the time he returns Merino & Norgaard will have left. So Rice, Zubi, Bouaddi & MLS.

But yeah, what i want and what Arteta wants, & actually what the player wants, might be totally different things. If he's not getting assurances like that i could understand if he'd want to go.
 
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To be honest, i don't want him at left back really.

I want him to return to his natural position and be part of 4 players vying for 2 centre midfield spots.

But yeah, what i want and what Arteta wants, & actually what the player wants, might be totally different things.
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He's not beating out Rice in box to box and isn't preferred backup any time soon
He's not the holding screening midfielder.
He's not beating Odegaard, Nwaneri, or Dowman to the attacking role

I do think his future is left back. He's still young so plenty to work on though
 
Drainy said:
He's not beating out Rice in box to box and isn't preferred backup any time soon
He's not the holding screening midfielder.
He's not beating Odegaard, Nwaneri, or Dowman to the attacking role

I do think his future is left back. He's still young so plenty to work on though
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That's why id suggest loaning him out for the year.

By the time he comes back, he'd still only be 20.

Merino would be 31, Norgaard 33, so not sure either would be here.

Only leaves Rice & Zubimendi for both central midfield roles, & both of them would be 28.

I'd be saying similar to Nwaneri. He'd still only be 20 next summer, & another year more experienced. Eze will be 29, Odegaard 28.

There seems to be a rush to get these players to 100 appearances as teenagers or something like that, then we wonder why they burn out early.
 
VARsenal said:
Why though? 1min =1min whether at Arsenal or at Man United.

Expressing it as a percentage simply indicates his importance to the team and at no point has anyone claimed MLS has been an important player this season.

The original statement was simply:


And that statement wasn't incorrect, there aren't many teens getting more gametime at a top PL club, even if he's just been a squad player this season.
If we go back just 1 year he played most of Arsenal's PL games, this season though has clearly been a big focus on getting over the line with as little risk as possible meaning putting as little pressure as possible on the teens in the team.
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GoonerBear said:
Thanks for this. How many minutes has Heaven had under Carrick?
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I am not sure why so defensive over MLS.

Clearly you accept younger players get more opportunity at United? It’s part of the ethos of the club. You only need to listen to Heaven regarding his reasons for moving all of which have been proved correct.

Would be totally understandable if MLS feels he has a pathway at United whilst getting to play at arguably a bigger club in the process.
 
As the third midfield signing who can also operate as a LB, wouldn't be too bad. Could compete with Mainoo in the squad. All depends on the price, really.

My prefered LB signing is Lewis Hall or that LB from Frankfurt. But we can't do everything in one summer and priority should be CM.
 
GoonerBear said:
That's why id suggest loaning him out for the year.

By the time he comes back, he'd still only be 20.

Merino would be 31, Norgaard 33, so not sure either would be here.

Only leaves Rice & Zubimendi for both central midfield roles, & both of them would be 28.

I'd be saying similar to Nwaneri. He'd still only be 20 next summer, & another year more experienced. Eze will be 29, Odegaard 28.

There seems to be a rush to get these players to 100 appearances as teenagers or something like that, then we wonder why they burn out early.
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It may be too late, to be honest.

I think he might be furious that his momentum was disrupted and he's now missing a World Cup he would otherwise have been in the squad for.
 
TheReligion said:
I am not sure why so defensive over MLS.

Clearly you accept younger players get more opportunity at United? It’s part of the ethos of the club. You only need to listen to Heaven regarding his reasons for moving all of which have been proved correct.

Would be totally understandable if MLS feels he has a pathway at United whilst getting to play at arguably a bigger club in the process.
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Yeah, the rich history, and the fact that Amorim played 3 at the back which give him the best type of game time in a position that suits him best and hides his deficiencies. I'm interested to see how his game time evolves if Utd stick to 4 at the back.

Listen, I was only pointing out that regular game time for teenagers in top teams is rare currently. Regular game time in potential title winning teams is even rarer I'd have thought. I don't think I was saying anything untoward.

Id totally understand if Lewis-Skelly is looking at Utd as a very good team for him to join. Yeah, he'd say all the right things during an interview about a rich history, massive club etc. But mainly, he'd look at his pathway to the team, which certainly looks like it could clear quicker than it would at Arsenal.

He'd be joing as a big money signing as well, not a player coming through the clubs youth system. That in itself gives more incentive to be played.

And if he chose to move, fair play to him. It obviously be a decision the club seems is right as well, and unfortunately academy players that come through into the first team and become mainstays in the team isn't common these days, even at a team with such a rich history as Utd.
 
Drainy said:
It may be too late, to be honest.

I think he might be furious that his momentum was disrupted and he's now missing a World Cup he would otherwise have been in the squad for.
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I fear you might be right, only trying to say how I'd try and sell it to him.

Anyway, Arteta and the club might think different to me and see him as someone we can afford to let go and get good money for. Maybe he doesn't rate him as high as I do.
 
MaMa given red said:
I'm always wary when rival clubs are prepared to sell to us.

If Arsenal really rated him they wouldn't be letting him go here.
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There's certainly a risk. However it doesn't necessarily translate to impending doom either.

Football had changed. Gone are the days when managers would rather risk losing a trophy and do the good thing long term. This is a success driven industry. Arteta started this season on a very tight rope. If he didn't deliver this season then he would have ended up in trouble. Therefore relying on a kid as cover for LB was dangerous for him. Secondly homegrown talent represent pure profit which in today's football can get a club a long way. Finally young players aren't as blinkered as they used to be. A kid that doesn't feel his career is going into the right direction would certainly go knocking at the manager's door to ask for a move.

However as said there's a risk. This risk could be managed with a loan with a right to buy clause inserted in it which would give us an idea of what the player is before we sign him.
 
GoonerBear said:
Yeah, the rich history, and the fact that Amorim played 3 at the back which give him the best type of game time in a position that suits him best and hides his deficiencies. I'm interested to see how his game time evolves if Utd stick to 4 at the back.

Listen, I was only pointing out that regular game time for teenagers in top teams is rare currently. Regular game time in potential title winning teams is even rarer I'd have thought. I don't think I was saying anything untoward.

Id totally understand if Lewis-Skelly is looking at Utd as a very good team for him to join. Yeah, he'd say all the right things during an interview about a rich history, massive club etc. But mainly, he'd look at his pathway to the team, which certainly looks like it could clear quicker than it would at Arsenal.

He'd be joing as a big money signing as well, not a player coming through the clubs youth system. That in itself gives more incentive to be played.

And if he chose to move, fair play to him. It obviously be a decision the club seems is right as well, and unfortunately academy players that come through into the first team and become mainstays in the team isn't common these days, even at a team with such a rich history as Utd.
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I think he’d be good business for United at the right price. Probably Garnacho money.

You’re correct about pathways, much like Heaven and Yoro. United are generally quite good at mapping these things in my opinion which can be difficult with management changes. That’s another thing MLS may look at. Arteta has been there a while and doesn’t seem to be carving out the opportunity for him.
 
devilish said:
There's certainly a risk. However it doesn't necessarily translate to impending doom either.

Football had changed. Gone are the days when managers would rather risk losing a trophy and do the good thing long term. This is a success driven industry. Arteta started this season on a very tight rope. If he didn't deliver this season then he would have ended up in trouble. Therefore relying on a kid as cover for LB was dangerous for him. Secondly homegrown talent represent pure profit which in today's football can get a club a long way. Finally young players aren't as blinkered as they used to be. A kid that doesn't feel his career is going into the right direction would certainly go knocking at the manager's door to ask for a move.

However as said there's a risk. This risk could be managed with a loan with a right to buy clause inserted in it which would give us an idea of what the player is before we sign him.
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But why sign Norgaard? I actually think the same of signing Eze rather than giving his minutes to Nwaneri, but Norgaard was just so unnecessary.
 
GoonerBear said:
And what's your opinion on that? Is he wrong to get so little?
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My opinion is we had a manager that had a stonk on for a back 5 and Carrick doesn’t. Add in that both Maguire and Martinez returned to fitness as Carrick arrived and we’re only playing once a week, and there’s not a lot to read into it.

On the latter point, Mount, Mazraoui, Zirkzee and Ugarte have barely played either, because we don’t need to rotate. It’s 3 from 4 up front and the rest picks itself. It’s a weird season in that regard.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
But why sign Norgaard? I actually think the same of signing Eze rather than giving his minutes to Nwaneri, but Norgaard was just so unnecessary.
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If we are saying that Arteta relying on a kid as cover for LB was dangerous, then surely it's even more true at centre midfield, a position that Lewis-Skelly hasn't even started yet in senior football?
 
GoonerBear said:
If we are saying that Arteta relying on a kid as cover for LB was dangerous, then surely it's even more true at centre midfield, a position that Lewis-Skelly hasn't even started yet in senior football?
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Meh. I think bringing in Norgaard is a kick in the teeth for a young player. It would suggest they aren’t even trusted to deliver back up minutes.
 
TheReligion said:
Meh. I think bringing in Norgaard is a kick in the teeth for a young player. It would suggest they aren’t even trusted to deliver back up minutes.
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Maybe. I'd be intrigued what the 'sell' was to Lewis-Skelly and Nwaneri to sign new deals, because there was plenty interest in both before they did sign. You'd imagine they would have discussed a plan and a pathway for them in talks.
 
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Maybe. I'd be intrigued what the 'sell' was to Lewis-Skelly and Nwaneri to sign new deals, because there was plenty interest in both before they did sign. You'd imagine they would have discussed a plan and a pathway for them in talks.
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You look at both Hincapie and Calafiori (23/24 are they?) both ahead of MLS at left back and then Norgaard coming in as another CM squad player you can see why he wants out.

There’s no pathway for him at Arsenal whilst at United there’s opportunity at both LB and CM if he backs himself.
 
TheReligion said:
You look at both Hincapie and Calafiori (23/24 are they?) both ahead of MLS at left back and then Norgaard coming in as another CM squad player you can see why he wants out.

There’s no pathway for him at Arsenal whilst at United there’s opportunity at both LB and CM if he backs himself.
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The only thing I'd say is in not sure signing a 31 year old midfielder blocks him even in the mid term. You could argue that it's a perfect transition signing, as it's always going to be short term.
 
GoonerBear said:
The only thing I'd say is in not sure signing a 31 year old midfielder blocks him even in the mid term. You could argue that it's a perfect transition signing, as it's always going to be short term.
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I think the question is why not give MLS his minutes now?
 
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