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Another money chaser. Here we go again
Another money chaser. Here we go again
Napoli boss proposal for new European league
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Seems completely vague and ill thought out.
His 2 main complaints;
1. CL and EL don’t generate enough money anymore to keep up with buying elite players
2. Young people being driven away because not enough entertainment anymore
1. CL and EL don’t generate enough money anymore to keep up with buying elite players
2. Young people being driven away because not enough entertainment anymore
Can they not just unseed the CL and EL so we don’t get the same bloody groups and same knockout ties each year?
Also it’s obvious this is money related so feck him
Also it’s obvious this is money related so feck him
My suggestions;
1. do something to cap the rising transfer, salary and agents fees. It’s a bad circle. The more the clubs generate the more the agents and players will want, the more the transfer fees will rise. Stop it now before the side effect is our leagues getting changed from what they should be all to chase money
2. stop hiring boring managers like Mourinho. Get more attacking coaches and formations. Show the likes of Jose etc that their ways are no longer the best ways. I can empathise with this complaint as LVG practically turned me off football for a year
1. do something to cap the rising transfer, salary and agents fees. It’s a bad circle. The more the clubs generate the more the agents and players will want, the more the transfer fees will rise. Stop it now before the side effect is our leagues getting changed from what they should be all to chase money
2. stop hiring boring managers like Mourinho. Get more attacking coaches and formations. Show the likes of Jose etc that their ways are no longer the best ways. I can empathise with this complaint as LVG practically turned me off football for a year
Not this bollocks again. 
I don't understand this. You want money to stop coming into the game?
What kind of lawlessness is this
Where does it say that? I don’t get how you can conclude that
I want transfer fees capped before we hit a player fee being €500m or something disgusting.
it’s in the clubs interests to come together and thrash out a solution, introducing new leagues is not the solution because the other costs go up
Why don’t they just do the domestic season first ending in March, and then do the Champions League as an end of season competition in April and May?
My proposal:
Play the CL and EL at the end of the season in a condensed tournament (similar to 2019 after lockdown). The domestic season can finish sooner and then all focus would be on those competitions. And the teams competing will have qualified that season, not the season beforehand. This would be so teams enter the competitions in the same state they qualified for them (think Leicester in 2016, they would've been better served going into the CL right away) rather than losing or buying new players before the competition starts.
Play the CL and EL at the end of the season in a condensed tournament (similar to 2019 after lockdown). The domestic season can finish sooner and then all focus would be on those competitions. And the teams competing will have qualified that season, not the season beforehand. This would be so teams enter the competitions in the same state they qualified for them (think Leicester in 2016, they would've been better served going into the CL right away) rather than losing or buying new players before the competition starts.
But why? Why are high transfer fees so disgusting?
Aren't transfers how the money is naturally distributed back down through football's tiers? If Brentford somehow produce the next Lionel Messi, why do you want to cap the money they can make when/if they sell him and use it to catapult themselves up?
There’ll be enough of them soon that it’ll eventually happen
Evolve or die. It's an eventual consequence to me of allowing states to run football clubs.
Kids are less interested in football than we were 20/30 years ago because what kids are watching today is much, much shitter than what we were watching in the 90s and early 2000's.
The idiots who have ruined the game, now want to ruin it further as some sort of answer to why people aren't interested.
The idiots who have ruined the game, now want to ruin it further as some sort of answer to why people aren't interested.
I agree with this. It's pretty boring this way and predictable which team will reach the new year in the competition.
A CL group like Sporting, Zenit, Young Boys and Besiktas would be a weak group, but at the same time it would be a proper fight between the clubs.
And for me personally it would be far more interesting than a group like Bayern, Barca, Benfica and Kiew.
We dont have enough entertainers in the game in reality which is why CR7 and Messi are still considered the pinnacle of the game.
I dont enjoy the high pressing football we have today compared to the stuff we had in the 80s and 90s. I enjoy a good team goal just as much as anyone else but individual brilliance is the best part of football today. Today its mostly supreme athletes playing at breakneck speeds being pressed intensely constantly.
I dont enjoy the high pressing football we have today compared to the stuff we had in the 80s and 90s. I enjoy a good team goal just as much as anyone else but individual brilliance is the best part of football today. Today its mostly supreme athletes playing at breakneck speeds being pressed intensely constantly.
Let's just remove the offside rule once and for all.
Who cares what the crazy Napoli president thinks? They are Italy's Tottenham.
Tbh, I kinda like the idea of a pan European league that has relegation and promotion.
It's also less accessible to a ridiculous degree. Kids largely can't afford to watch football any more, whereas it used to be on a free television channel every Saturday when I was growing up in the 90s.
This ‘people use their phones now’ as a reason that people don’t like football is a moot point in my opinion.
I think way more people overall like and follow football than ever in the history of the game, the issue is with anything that big that there will be a certain element of casuals that only like it because other people like it. This sort of person/fan has existed for years, often seen in pubs where they’d watch whatever was on TV but had no interest once they went home.
You could dumb down the rules of football completely and these people still wouldn’t really be that interested in it. The fact that these sorts of casuals even pretend to like football is actually a sign of football’s massive and enduring success.
I think way more people overall like and follow football than ever in the history of the game, the issue is with anything that big that there will be a certain element of casuals that only like it because other people like it. This sort of person/fan has existed for years, often seen in pubs where they’d watch whatever was on TV but had no interest once they went home.
You could dumb down the rules of football completely and these people still wouldn’t really be that interested in it. The fact that these sorts of casuals even pretend to like football is actually a sign of football’s massive and enduring success.
Bingo. Football is fecking expensive these days. How exactly do they expect people to buy into it at the ages when they don't have any fecking money?
But Brentford wouldn't get Lionel Messi's full market value would they? A cap of e.g. £100m on transfers and £400k a week on wages would really only affect a handful of clubs and might prevent the market getting distorted by the insane (often external and unsustainable) money at the top of the game.
Yet they probably think the solution is charging more so they can raise even more money and wonder why they aren’t getting more fans.
For example, I’ve always thought that cracking down on illegal streams is against clubs interests. They think the people will stop illegally streaming and just pay £25 per month or whatever. Instead, a lot of people just stops watching. The people who can afford to pay often already pay for the subscription. You’re losing potential reach.
They should get rid of seedings but they won't, because they won't be guaranteed to have almost all the big sides reach the latter stages. Because it brings in the money.
The reason young people dont watch football is because there's way too much of it on and it costs too much to watch
The reason young people dont watch football is because there's way too much of it on and it costs too much to watch
I don't believe it's to do with how entertaining the football is. It's about the lack of accessibility. 20 years ago the Champions League was on terrestrial TV, alongside the UEFA cup. Even Sky Sports News was available on freeview. Now you need both Sky and BT to watch both the Premier League and Champions League. In a world with on-demand tele it's such an outdated format. It's only a matter of time before the World Cup and Euros won't be on the BBC and ITV, meaning less kids watching that as well.
Yep, I mean I need to feel very bored in order to watch a group game (be it CL or EL).
The problem is when it results in ideas like this. One of the issues highlighted is that the EL and CL don't generate enough money to keep spending more on elite players.
They don't have to spend more, the market will dictate what a player is worth, but when the clubs are competing with each other to buy the best players they keep on looking for more cash with stupid ideas for new leagues rather than settling for what there is and buying within their means. A cap of some kind on transfer fees would halt the crazy inflation in agent and player fees.
These are very good points. Unfortunately, #1 is a byproduct of open leagues and free markets. The quality will suffer if you try to cap salaries and transfer fees - it's a double edged sword. I wish we are able to find balance between free markets and high transfer and agent fees. If the recent past is any evidence, players will increasingly start running down their contracts the moment their asking price goes above 100m.
#2 will continue as long as we have elimination based tournaments. Safety will always be prioritized and the end justifies the means (e.g., Southgate). The only way to incentivize attacking play is to have additional points for a higher goal difference. (E.g., a team that has scored 10 goals and conceded 5 and won 2/3 games should be ahead of a team that has scored 3 goals and won 3/3 games).
Its the same stupid mistake the music companies made when mp3s came along. It's annoying watching people make the same mistakes over and over.
First the inflation in transfer fees is directly linked to the inflation in revenues. And why do you think that capping transfer fees would have the effect that you mention of agents of player fees? If anything you would simply incite clubs to give more money to agents in order to enter exclusive negotiations with their clients and you would also incite top players to ask for more money since more clubs could afford their transfer fee.
you could have a nett transfer cap, say 100m a season, you want to spend £150m on Harry Kane, that's fine but you need to sell £50m of fringe players too.
Agreed. We need one/two CL games a week back on ITV but unfortunately those days are long gone. It's nice that BT shows the final for free but it isn't enough.
The first point you've made is my point. The inflation in transfer fees is directly related to the inflation in revenues which leads to clubs endlessly searching for more revenue and suggestions of new leagues etc to be able to out-compete each other. Capping transfer fees would stop the inflation and mean that clubs are forced to stay within their means.
Agents are a good point and there would have to be a way of capping those and player fees too.
Your first paragraph doesn't make sense. Clubs are able to spend more because they generate more money, as a rule they don't spend beyond their means and you are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist with a tool that wouldn't even fix it. The suggestions for new leagues have nothing to do with clubs financial managements, it's about a few owners being greedy and trying to create cash cows.
I wonder how much of this can be avoided in truth, kids today grow up very differently to kids 10+ years ago. We live in an almost completely online era now, it's unfathomable to me that kids watch other kids gaming as a form of entertainment but it's hugely popular + participation in football in the UK (according to Statista) is declining across all age levels:
Ages 16+: • Football participation England 2016-20 | Statista
Ages 5-15: • Children's football participation in England 2010-2018 | Statista (this stops at 2018 annoyingly)
We might very well be at football's zenith, maybe Neymar's transfer was the beginning of the end but it's not hard to see why kids aren't as interested because now the players are media trained, there's no real on pitch/off field drama as everyone is so scared about social media aside from anonymous racist trolls, then you watch your national team getting booed for kneeling in every away stadium they play in...how can a normal child relate to that and why would they want to?
I was watching Brazil road to 2002 World Cup. Amazing how Ronaldo was not taking penalties despite being in the running for the golden boot. That’s the type of football I miss .
It's already like that in Denmark where the international games are shown on a channel that maybe 40% own.
And it's the same regarding the national league where you need both Yousee and Discovery if you want to be sure to see your preferred team every time, meaning I for example miss out on every Denmark away game as well as almost every FCK away game. It's also meant that even though we have the most exciting national team in years, the viewing numbers are at a record low.
I disagree with that. If a player was worth £50,000,000 5 years ago and is worth £100,000,000 now clubs need extra revenue to buy the same class of player. The inflation in player prices is a pretty obvious problem I think and it's not sustainable long-term. When you says it's only a few owners, pretty much every major club in Europe wanted to join a cash-cow in the summer and the only real reason for that was to gain revenue.
Any clubs left out of that would not be as competitive in the transfer market as everyone else now has extra money.
If the money coming in rises naturally player prices would not rise nearly as quickly because it would be a natural competitive market.