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Lakers have been quite good since opening night.
They do have 2 of top 5 players in the world in their team. With them on the floor they can beat anyone and look like they can always go on the run.

Barring injuries, they have to be seen as serious contenders.
 

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Btw. going to block Lebron on a drive with 2 seconds on the clock and 3 points lead leaving Green for a three has to be one of the dumbest defensive moves in the season so far.
 

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Luka is just amazing what a baller!

Also when Lebron plays like this I just don't see anyone in the NBA better then him. Year 17 and doing this? Insane.

Lakers looked beat but Danny green with that clutch 3 at the buzzer. Great fecking game!
He's obviously on PEDs and has been on for a while
 

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They do have 2 of top 5 players in the world in their team. With them on the floor they can beat anyone and look like they can always go on the run.

Barring injuries, they have to be seen as serious contenders.
This Lakers season is going to be very tiresome with the extreme see-saw of opinions. They will either be hopeless and possibly not making playoffs because of bad depth and lack of quality beyond the big two (they'll be happy people keep ignoring Danny Green) or they will be good enough to go to the finals and win it all because of having the big two, in most people's opinions.
 

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This Lakers season is going to be very tiresome with the extreme see-saw of opinions. They will either be hopeless and possibly not making playoffs because of bad depth and lack of quality beyond the big two (they'll be happy people keep ignoring Danny Green) or they will be good enough to go to the finals and win it all because of having the big two, in most people's opinions.
That part of the debate will be non existent.
 

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Only way the lakers don't make the playoffs is injuries
 

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This Lakers season is going to be very tiresome with the extreme see-saw of opinions. They will either be hopeless and possibly not making playoffs because of bad depth and lack of quality beyond the big two (they'll be happy people keep ignoring Danny Green) or they will be good enough to go to the finals and win it all because of having the big two, in most people's opinions.
Tbf, never saw anyone claim they won't make playoffs. Or if they did, it was about possible injuries which is a futile argument as you can say that about pretty much any team with a superstar.

Once they get in and with those 2 in the team it's hard to ignore them as one of the teams that can go all the way.
 

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Tbf, never saw anyone claim they won't make playoffs. Or if they did, it was about possible injuries which is a futile argument as you can say that about pretty much any team with a superstar.

Once they get in and with those 2 in the team it's hard to ignore them as one of the teams that can go all the way.
Clippers are still too good imho, but yeah, LeBrow give us a chance against anyone
 

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This is some shocking defending, im first to admit i dont know much about basketball but wtf was this?
First Lebron loses n55 like he isnt there but then the genius center goes to close down Lebron even though 2 points mean feck all to Lakers and of course he creates a hole for Green. Not to mention Curry going for a pump fake and Dallas in general not going for a faul, specially when Lebron got the ball.
 

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Tbf, never saw anyone claim they won't make playoffs. Or if they did, it was about possible injuries which is a futile argument as you can say that about pretty much any team with a superstar.

Once they get in and with those 2 in the team it's hard to ignore them as one of the teams that can go all the way.
Was saying in general and possibly it's the way their season could go where they might go from looking great to totally unorganised in a matter of games possibly with bad injury luck. Either ways they are gonna be one of the biggest talking points this season, and if they can pull off a whole season and postseason with correctly managing the squad it will be pretty impressive given how many ways there are for things to go wrong for them. They don't have the kind of squad assurances someone like Clips has. Bron is likely going to be calling the shots on and off the court and needs to be really smart given this might be his last window for getting a ring, at least one where he is still the best player on the court. I'm not rooting them hugely but it would good for the season and the competitiveness of the league for them to do well and give Clips a good fight.
 

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First Lebron loses n55 like he isnt there but then the genius center goes to close down Lebron even though 2 points mean feck all to Lakers and of course he creates a hole for Green.
Exactly why I have been saying that Green could be a great piece for them. Teams can't ignore Bron and Davis when they are driving down the lanes, they are gonna attract defenders the whole time and Green is a smart enough players to take up open spots and get some clutch shots in.
 

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Exactly why I have been saying that Green could be a great piece for them. Teams can't ignore Bron and Davis when they are driving down the lanes, they are gonna attract defenders the whole time and Green is a smart enough players to take up open spots and get some clutch shots in.
Agree, though still cant understand the defending on that specific action. Guy that went to close down Lebron has a sports intelligence of a street lamp.
 

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This is some shocking defending, im first to admit i dont know much about basketball but wtf was this?
First Lebron loses n55 like he isnt there but then the genius center goes to close down Lebron even though 2 points mean feck all to Lakers and of course he creates a hole for Green. Not to mention Curry going for a pump fake and Dallas in general not going for a faul, specially when Lebron got the ball.
What you(and the refs) are not paying attention to is Howard holding Curry and not letting him close out Green in time. Without that Seth is on Green with the right timing and LBJ can either shoot himself, give it to a marked green, or give it to howard and hope he can take a step-back 3
 

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What you(and the refs) are not paying attention to is Howard holding Curry and not letting him close out Green in time. Without that Seth is on Green with the right timing and LBJ can either shoot himself, give it to a marked green, or give it to howard and hope he can take a step-back 3
Dwight Howard being useful is difficult to compute for most of us.
 

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What you(and the refs) are not paying attention to is Howard holding Curry and not letting him close out Green in time. Without that Seth is on Green with the right timing and LBJ can either shoot himself, give it to a marked green, or give it to howard and hope he can take a step-back 3
yes its a foul but that doesnt change the quality of defending overall.....if the center doesnt go towards Lebron and stays in the zone where Green got the ball then Lebron doesnt have a pass option and Dallas wins the game.
 

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yes its a foul but that doesnt change the quality of defending overall.....if the center doesnt go towards Lebron and stays in the zone where Green got the ball then Lebron doesnt have a pass option and Dallas wins the game.
Possibly. They'd still have to inbound and score their FT

If Howard doesn't hold Seth, Green has to make a tough shot with Curry's hand in his face. It was a weird decision by the mavs to not just let LBJ get the layup, but they didn't play bad D on the play. They got screwed by a horrible non-call
 

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They'd still have to inbound and score their FT
Mavs would be +1 with 2 seconds till the end. You actually miss the 2nd FT (if they even manage to get a foul) and it is game over.

Had to let Lebron score with so little on the clock imo. You are right about that call on Curry, but the judges will hardly call such things on the last possession.
 

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Mavs would be +1 with 2 seconds till the end. You actually miss the 2nd FT (if they even manage to get a foul) and it is game over.

Had to let Lebron score with so little on the clock imo. You are right about that call on Curry, but the judges will hardly call such things on the last possession.
Oh i agree, the decision to not let LeBron score there was ridiculous. Dunno if it was planned or just Kleber screwed up

But they didn't play bad defence
 

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Possibly. They'd still have to inbound and score their FT

If Howard doesn't hold Seth, Green has to make a tough shot with Curry's hand in his face. It was a weird decision by the mavs to not just let LBJ get the layup, but they didn't play bad D on the play. They got screwed by a horrible non-call
Kleber didn’t need to go and close down LeBron, that was pointless. Lakers had Howard out there and needed a three which basically means Dallas could have played 5 v 4 and let Howard go wherever he wanted.
 

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Kleber didn’t need to go and close down LeBron, that was pointless. Lakers had Howard out there and needed a three which basically means Dallas could have played 5 v 4 and let Howard go wherever he wanted.
Kleber was on Green, Curry's rotation is a step late because of the hold

But you're right, they didn't recognize the situation quickly enough. Curry should have stuck to Green right away with Kleber in a roaming role. Or the other way around
 

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Kleber was on Green, Curry's rotation is a step late because of the hold

But you're right, they didn't recognize the situation quickly enough. Curry should have stuck to Green right away with Kleber in a roaming role. Or the other way around
Curry shouldn’t have been on the floor to defend anybody to be fair, he is well below average. They have lots of good defenders on that roster, was there any particular reason why they went with Curry on the floor?
 

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Actually in situations like that I sometimes wonder why teams don’t just foul. The opposite team have no timeouts, there’s hardly any time left and they need a three. Just foul with two seconds on the floor and 9 times out of 10 the game is yours. The other time they will maybe get a rebound and make it a 3-point play but it’s very rare.
 

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Oh they actually had a foul to give. Everything about that play was inexcusable from Dallas point of view.
 

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Warriors starting line up tonight: Bowman, Poole, Robinson, Paschall, Cayley-Stein :lol:
 

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Ridiculous loss from Blazers. We have this knack of losing games that seem already won. Also doesn’t help that we have half the team injured and have to play Tolliver and Skal (who has been great) at five.
 

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Clippers managed to break Jazz in the end, although thought 2 or 3 soft calls went Clippers way in the last quarter. Have to wonder how good they will look once George is on the floor too.
 

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Clippers managed to break Jazz in the end, although thought 2 or 3 soft calls went Clippers way in the last quarter. Have to wonder how good they will look once George is on the floor too.
They won’t be a 60+ win team because they won’t care about it but I really can’t look past them if healthy for the playoffs. Definitely can’t look past them for the West, could be tricky against Phila or Bucks in the Finals.

Heat again excellent. That start of game against Rockets was something else. Lakers with another good game and my mate who I argued with about their depth at the beginning of year is super bullish now, telling me they would still make the playoffs even if they had to play full season without LeBron and Davis because of quality they have beyond them... zzz.
 

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Philly vs Clippers would be interesting. The Clippers have no answer for Embiid. But Kawhi and George can both shut down Simmons.
 

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They won’t be a 60+ win team because they won’t care about it but I really can’t look past them if healthy for the playoffs. Definitely can’t look past them for the West, could be tricky against Phila or Bucks in the Finals.

Heat again excellent. That start of game against Rockets was something else. Lakers with another good game and my mate who I argued with about their depth at the beginning of year is super bullish now, telling me they would still make the playoffs even if they had to play full season without LeBron and Davis because of quality they have beyond them... zzz.
Without both ? Your mate is high
 

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Without both ? Your mate is high
Yeah he's living in 2013 with some of these players I think.

I don't think there's a single team in the league who would have a shot at making playoffs without their top 2 players... maybe Denver without Jokic and Murray would still have a shot because of how deep that roster is but even then it'd be a huge task. Indiana too but that's just because their team is not top heavy at all, they basically have a roster full of players around the same level. And Miami of course because they are amazing and could plug in anybody and still win (Duncan Robinson with 23 points :lol:).