NBA Draft - R1 - P-nut vs He-man

With players in their 3 year career peak, who would win?


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Šjor Bepo

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Team P-nut

C - D. Howard (3x defensive POTY)
PF - C. Barkley* (93 MvP)
SF - V. Carter* (7x NBA all star)
SG - J. Stockton (10x NBA all star)
PG - R. Westbrook (17 MvP)

Subs

C - N. Thurmond (7x NBA all star)
SG - A. Iverson (01 MVP)
PG - D. Johnson (6x all defensive team)

The plan is to rotate all the subs at once this allows a point hungry / assist hungry combo at SG/PG.

Starting team Stockton will be running the game, with Westbrook being the shot taker more often.

When they rotate Iverson will take the lead role, with Johnson becoming the more defensively sound.


Team He-man



5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*

No player in NBA history has matched — or even come within 1,000 points of — Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s career total of 38,387 points.

He averaged 24.6 points and 11.2 rebounds in his career, which landed him a record-19 All-Star Game selections in 20 total seasons played. Abdul-Jabbar was a key part of six championship-winning teams for the Bucks and the Lakers.

When ranking players, excellence at the peak of a career matters, and the same can be said about longevity. Kareem had both. He is the best offensive C of all time and arguably also the best C of all time.

He also possess one of the most unstoppable weapons in NBA history, which you can see from 4:30 minutes onwards in the following video. He's also not just about the Sky Hook as he is actually a great player in other aspects of the game as well as you can probably see in the video.


Height: 7 ft 2

Accolades:

  • 6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
  • 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
  • 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
  • 19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
  • 10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)
  • 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)
  • 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979–1981)
  • 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976–1978, 1984)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1970)
  • 2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972)
  • NBA rebounding champion (1976)
  • 4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980)
  • No. 33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
  • No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
  • NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
  • 3× NCAA champion (1967–1969)
  • 3× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1967–1969)
  • 3× National college player of the year (1967–1969)
  • 3× Consensus first-team All-American (1967–1969)
  • No. 33 retired by UCLA Bruins
  • 2× Mr. Basketball USA (1964, 1965)
  • Presidential Medal of Freedom (2016)

4. Tim Duncan

Quite simply the best damn PF of all time. This guy is timeless and consistent. His absolute prime and his twilight are virtually indistinguishable and all fantastic.

“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee

The great quote above covers what he brings offensively. He knows his game and he does it from the left all day long.


He's also a beast defensively and great with his positioning and reading of the game:


Height: 6 ft 11

Accolades:

  • 5× NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
  • 3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
  • 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002, 2003)
  • 15× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011, 2013, 2015)
  • NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
  • 10× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007, 2013)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008, 2009)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2010, 2015)
  • 8× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007, 2008)
  • 7× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
  • NBA Teammate of the Year (2015)
  • No. 21 retired by San Antonio Spurs
  • USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2003)
  • Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2003)
  • Consensus National College Player of the Year (1997)
  • 2× Consensus first-team All-American (1996, 1997)
  • Chip Hilton Player of the Year (1997)
  • NCAA rebounding leader (1997)
  • 3× NABC Defensive Player of the Year (1995–1997)
  • 2× ACC Player of the Year (1996, 1997)
  • 3× First-team All-ACC (1995–1997)
  • No. 21 retired by Wake Forest Demon Deacons

3. Rick Barry

Barry's career assist percentage comes in at 20.3, and that's undoubtedly one of the elite marks at this position. But Barry wasn't exactly a pass-first 3. He was a scorer who just happened to see the court so well he had no trouble racking up the dimes, as evidenced by his 23.2 points per game. The only reason he isn't rated as high as the likes of Larry Bird is because his stint in ABA during what were undoubtably years where he was still playing at a great level.

During the 4 years stint in the ABA, Barry averaged 30.5 points, 7.5 rebounds and 4.1 assists per game, making 47.7 percent of his shots from the field, which happens to be higher than any mark produced during his two NBA stretches. His NBA stats would have been much higher with those kinds of numbers added in.


Height: 6ft 7

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (1975)
  • NBA Finals MVP (1975)
  • ABA champion (1969)
  • 8× NBA All-Star (1966, 1967, 1973–1978)
  • NBA All-Star Game MVP (1967)
  • 5× All-NBA First Team (1966, 1967, 1974–1976)
  • All-NBA Second Team (1973)
  • 4× ABA All-Star (1969–1972)
  • 4× All-ABA First Team (1969–1972)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1966)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1966)
  • NBA scoring champion (1967)
  • NBA steals leader (1975)
  • NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
  • No. 24 retired by Golden State Warriors
  • Consensus first-team All-American (1965)
  • NCAA season scoring leader (1965)
  • No. 24 retired by Miami Hurricanes

2. Clyde Drexler

24.8 points, 6.9 rebounds, 6.0 assists and 2.2 steals per game, with a plus-2.4 relative true shooting percentage. That's Drexler's 5-year peak. The only reason he wasn't the best SG of his era was because one Michael Jordan happened to be playing at the same time.

He was big enough to play as SF and did so at times. He's also just one of those players that loved to dunk.


Height: 6 ft 7

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (1995)
  • 10× NBA All-Star (1986, 1988–1994, 1996, 1997)
  • All-NBA First Team (1992)
  • 2× All-NBA Second Team (1988, 1991)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1995)
  • No. 22 retired by Portland Trail Blazers
  • No. 22 retired by Houston Rockets
  • NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
  • Consensus second-team All-American (1983)
  • SWC co-Player of the Year (1983)
  • No. 22 retired by Houston Cougars

1. James Harden*

According to some metrics, Harden is in the middle of a run that's comparable to one of the game's greatest players. Given the way he's scoring lately, especially in 2018-19, that shouldn't be all that surprising. Within a single season, Harden hit 342 pull-up threes (which includes his step-backs), according to NBA.com. That total nearly doubled second-place Kemba Walker's 175. Even more bonkers, the second-place team, the Trail Blazers, hit 325 pull-up threes in total.

His offensive game is great and this team needs a little big of dirty in it. We can afford a player who isn't an elite defender considering the balance we have.

Since his trade to the Houston Rockets in the 2012–13 NBA season, he has scored the most points in the NBA. He is the all-time NBA leader in unassisted three-point makes.


Height: 6 ft 5

Accolades:

  • NBA Most Valuable Player (2018)
  • 8× NBA All-Star (2013–2020)
  • 5× All-NBA First Team (2014, 2015, 2017–2019)
  • All-NBA Third Team (2013)
  • NBA Sixth Man of the Year (2012)
  • 2× NBA scoring champion (2018, 2019)
  • NBA assists leader (2017)
  • NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2010)
  • Consensus first-team All-American (2009)
  • Pac-10 Player of the Year (2009)
  • 2× First-team All-Pac-10 (2008, 2009)
  • No. 13 retired by Arizona State Sun Devils
  • Second-team Parade All-American (2007)

The other three:

Ben Wallace

In the team for his defensive excellence and he's one of the best defensive big men the game has ever seen.

"Olajuwon and Mutombo were great defenders, but they only guarded centers. Ben can basically guard 1s through 5s, and the closest guy I saw do that was Dennis Rodman." - Joe Dumars


Height: 6 ft 9

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (2004)
  • 4× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006)
  • 4× NBA All-Star (2003–2006)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2003, 2004, 2006)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2002, 2005)
  • 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002–2006)
  • NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2007)
  • 2× NBA rebounding leader (2002, 2003)
  • NBA blocks leader (2002)
  • No. 3 retired by Detroit Pistons
  • First-team Division II All-American – NABC (1996)

Shawn Marion

Another player in it for his athleticism and defence. He's one of the best and most underrated perimeter defenders of all time. Offers some excellent backup to the SF position


Height: 6 ft 7

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (2011)
  • 4× NBA All-Star (2003, 2005–2007)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2005, 2006)
  • NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2000)
  • First-team All-WAC (1999)

Vinnie Johnson

He's called the microwave for being a player who can heat up the court in a short time. He's one of the best 6th men every and was perfect backup to Dumas and Thomas. Johnson’s greatness wasn’t in how many points he scored, but how efficiently he scored them.


Height: 6 ft 2

Accolades:

  • 2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)
  • No. 15 retired by Detroit Pistons
  • Second-team All-American – AP (1979)
 

Šjor Bepo

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not a fan of either team:nervous:
Both benches are terrible(he-man a little bit better situation) and both have 2 utter morons in their starting five - Westbrook and Harden. Saying that, again he-man is in a better position as from what i know his players will adopt a bit better to Harden then p-nuts to Westbrook + he-mans bigs are spectacular and cant see them being stopped.
Shame for p-nuts as he has 2 players i absolutely adore, Barkley and Carter who is my favorite player ever alongside Jason Kidd.
 

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Bad luck @P-Nut you had a fun team actually and I did not want to criticize it. I love Iverson and I wanted him as my 3rd round pick after securing the big men in my team. It's the only reason I used to tune in to 76ers games. Was so annoyed that he went so early.
 

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both have 2 utter morons in their starting five - Westbrook and Harden. Saying that, again he-man is in a better position as from what i know his players will adopt a bit better to Harden then p-nuts to Westbrook
I get why you say this, but for me Harden can work well with other players. His assists have gone up when the quality of players around him improved. He's also currently playing alongside Westbrook and it seems to be going ok so far. I think you'd probably have thought those two cannot coexist before they actually did. I did try to compensate for Harden's weaknesses by picking good defensive players around him for most part and guys who could coexist on the court with him. In general, no one else plays the role that he does in my team, so I see it as a good functional unit.
 

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I get why you say this, but for me Harden can work well with other players. His assists have gone up when the quality of players around him improved. He's also currently playing alongside Westbrook and it seems to be going ok so far. I think you'd probably have thought those two cannot coexist before they actually did. I did try to compensate for Harden's weaknesses by picking good defensive players around him for most part and guys who could coexist on the court with him. In general, no one else plays the role that he does in my team, so I see it as a good functional unit.
Thing with Harden is that his assists dont come natural, he is a stats padder and you can see that in every single game he plays and why his basketball only work in the regular(circus) part of the season. If his team ever wins a ring with him as the main player im done with that sport. Luckily for me im pretty confident that will never happen.
As for Russ and Harden, yes i think you have to be a even bigger moron then them to pair them up and your chances from doing something seriously went from 5% to probably 1% but yeah, they were always going to get in playoffs....in todays rules, you can probably surround Capela and Harden with us two and p-nut and we would probably get the spot.

Regarding Harden in this draft, think his impact would be MUCH lower in the 90s rules with hand check, players not allowing him to dance as much and in general players going much aggressive on him and refs allowing them so. At best he would be on McGrady/Carter level and tbh thats a big fecking compliment.
 

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Would of voted He-man simply because he has a more coherent team and his front court is great.

Although James Harden has one of the highest usages in history and plays zero (even negative) defence and certainly doesn’t fit the PG in my opinion.

Also would have started Marion for balance in the starting lineup as well as he doesn’t require the ball to be effective.