NBA Draft - Round 1 - BIG DUNK vs. Baneofthegame

With players in their peak, who would win?

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TEAM BIG DUNK




MINUTES:
PG: Billups > Dumars > Ginobili
SG: Bryant > Dumars > Ginobili
SF: Pippen > Bryant > Ginobili
PF: Rodman > Mourning > Pippen
C: Mutombo > Mourning > Rodman

LINEUPS:
BIG: Ginobili / Bryant / Pippen / Mourning / Mutombo
SMALL: Billups / Dumars / Bryant / Pippen / Rodman
DEFENSE: Dumars / Bryant / Pippen / Rodman / Mutombo
OFFENSE: Billups / Ginobili / Bryant / Pippen / Mourning
3PT: Billups / Bryant / Ginobili / Pippen / Mourning


A modern update of the dominating triangle offense that encourages player movement and ball movement. The constant cutting, dribble hand-offs, setting screens and off-ball player movement maximises the spacing on the floor, creating multiple scoring options near the post and from 3. When double-teams are forced, this will create mismatches and openings across the court. A wonderfully balanced roster, rich in defensive specialists, high basketball IQ team-players and fundamentally-sound two way players. They can pass, defend, score and shoot. We are ultra competitive, tenacious and hungry.

ELITE PERIMETER DEFENSE:
Pippen (10x NBA All-Defensive), Dumars (5× NBA All-Defensive), Rodman (2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 8× NBA All-Defensive), Bryant (12× NBA All-Defensive) and Billups (2× NBA All-Defensive).

ELITE INSIDE DEFENSE:
Mutombo (4× NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 6x NBA All-Defensive, 2× NBA rebounding leader, 3× NBA blocks leader), Rodman (2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 8× NBA All-Defensive, 7× NBA rebounding champion) and Mourning (2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 2× NBA All-Defensive, 2× NBA blocks leader).

TERRIFYING COMPLETE OFFENSE:
Bryant-Pippen is an unstoppable one-two punch. A lethal Batman-Robin partnership: versatile, fluid and dominant on both sides of the court. My setup optimizes the Black Mamba's game. Absolute killer. Clutch shooters in Billups, Ginobili and Dumars: they'll all contribute in points, assists and defense. Mutombo, Rodman and Mourning will grab all the boards: monsters in the paint and will play for the team, not themselves.



TEAM BANEOFTHEGAME


Team:


Shaquille O’Neal:





I’m not going to list all his achievements but you get the premise, was almost the first ever unanimous MVP the sole year he won it (criminal he only won one.).



29.7 points, 13.6 rebounds, 3.8 assists, and 3.0 blocks on 57.4 Shooting in the regular season.



30.7/15.4/2.4 in the play-offs (99-00) with 43 mins per game which is outrageous.



Unguardable in his prime by anyone.



Anthony Davis









While still short in his career he boasts the third best PER of all time behind only MJ and LeBron, just. Recently traded to the Lakers he can guard all 5 positions, shoot from outside, take bigs off the dribble with ease and has a decent post game to boot. Led the league in blocks 3 times and was a lock for this years DPOY.



Averaged over 20/10/2 for 5 seasons, in his best season with the NOP averaged 28/11/2.6 per game.





James Worthy







Big Game James, consummate team player, had a historic triple double in game 7 of the finals which had never been repeated and won Finals MVP in a team that included Kareem and Magic.



Averaged 23.6/5.6/3.5/1.6/1.2 on 59% shooting during the 87 title run, never shot less than 50% during his prime and averaged a block a game from the SF positions in more than one year.



Paul George







Averaged: 28.0/8.2/4.1 and 39% 3PT on his last full season with OKC.



PG13 while not a legend in his own right yet, is another complimentary piece known for his all around offensive game and defence which can cover 3 positions. Has no issue working with or without the ball and offers elite play on both sides of the ball.





Oscar Robertson





The original triple double machine, Oscar Robertson set the pre cursor for Magic Johnson with his unbelievable play during his NBA career. He almost averaged a triple double 5 times! Missing out by 1 or less in either rebounds/assists (0.1 boards in one season, 0.3 assists in another etc.) Achieving the feat in his sophomore season with:



30.8/12.5/11.4 on 47.9 shooting.



Possibility the most underrated superstar of all time:



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/343202-oscar-robertson-the-most-underrated-player-of-all-time



Kareem Abdul Jabbar:



"LeBron is awesome, MJ was awesome, but I think Oscar Robertson would have kicked them both in the behind.''



Bill Russell also thought Big O was the greatest of all time.



Bob Pettit







The first ever league MVP was a monster on both ends of the court and although overshadowed later in his career by Russell and Chamberlain nonetheless was one of the best PF’s of all time.



Averaged: 28/20 for an entire season and outside of Lucas/Chamberlain is the only player to do so.



Also has the third highest rebounding average of all time and average 24/16 for his career.



John Havlicek





When you think of the leading scorer in Celtics history who is the first name you think of? Bird? Mchale? Pierce? Russell?



The answer is none of those but the great “Hondo” John Havlicek, a man who racked up an immense 26,395 points during his career.



He revolutionised the sixth man position leading the way for future players (like Ginobli) and was the “guts” of those great Celtic title teams and was known to be a challenge just to keep up with him on the court.



Had one of the most famous plays of all time with his steak from Hal Greer which led to the next player in my time securing the win and a 3-1 overturned deficit.



Was also 8-0 in the finals.



Former teammate Paul Silas expressed his fondness for Havlicek, whom he played with from 1972 to 1976.

"I loved the man. I won two championships with him," Silas told ESPN. "When I first got to Boston, we talked all the time. All I wanted him to do was shoot. And when he didn't, I'd go right at him. He really was one of the greatest shooters I ever saw. When we needed a big basket, he was always the guy we wanted to take the shot.''

The Celtics called Havlicek "the face of many of the franchise's signature moments."

"His defining traits as a player were his relentless hustle and wholehearted commitment to team over self,"



One of the many quotes about the late great Hondo.



Sam Jones





Sam Jones has the second most Championships of all time behind Bill Russell, team player who went largely forgotten but nonetheless was a staple of the great Celtic sides with his perfect form shooting. Played both sides of the ball and also the master of the bank shot which he was said to be able to hit from anywhere.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/217675-sam-jones-sadly-and-undeservingly-forgotten-over-time



Bill Russell on Sam Jones:



“I never could guess what Sam was going to do or say, with one major exception: I knew exactly how would react in our huddle during the final seconds of a crucial game. I'm talking about a situation when we'd be one point behind, with five seconds to go in a game that meant not just first place or pride but a whole season, when everything was on the line. You're standing there feeling weak. The pressure weighs down on you so brutally that it crushes your heart as flat as a pizza, and you feel it thudding down around your stomach. During that time-out the question will be who'll take the shot that means the season, and Red would be looking around at faces, trying to decide what play to call. It's a moment when even the better players in the NBA will start coughing, tying their shoelaces and looking the other way. At such moments I knew what Sam would do as well as I know my own names. 'Gimme the ball,' he'd say. 'I'll make it.' And all of us would look at him, and we'd know by looking that he meant what he said. Not only that, you knew that he'd make it.”



System: Triangle



Overview:



My team is mainly picked of players who are complimentary pieces and thrive without the ball and don’t need to be the main guy to get the best out of the MDE Shaquille O’Neal, with multi-champions, MVPS, Finals MVPS and players who are willing to sacrifice for the team to reach the common goal.



Offence:



  • Big guard in OR to initiate the offence which would suit play off style basketball, floor spacing with shooting in AD and PG13, Worthy was a supreme cutter off ball which fits him perfectly into the offensive system which is designed to get the best out of all of the team which are compliments to Shaq aka the MDE.
  • If Mutumbo starts on Shaq, draw Rodman away from the basket with AD, Worthy on Cuts, PG and Oscar incase of the double team. Same principle if the Worm is on him.
  • Bench is full of champions who were also team players and used to sacrificing for the team but provide D and scoring.
  • Havilcek is the original Ginobli only to a much higher degree, Sam Jones again was an unbelievable player and also Bob Pettit averaged 24/16 for his career.
  • Depending on lineups the starters could conceivably Change places.


Defence:



  • Using essentially the same similar systems that Detroit/Boston used to slow down my favourite player of all time The black Mamba which is the Zone. He can’t be stopped but can be forced into tough shots along with other members of the team.
  • Tough to utilise Kobe in the post which is his best area in my opinion due to Zo being the only big who can shoot efficiently from 18ft.
  • Pippen is again a phenomenal second piece, but he never had to face a consistent Zone during the hand checking era and make him make shots.
  • Pack the paint, mutumbo and Rodman on Offense don’t offer any outside shooting relief for spacing.
  • Turn Big Dunks team into a jump shooting side which has historically been many sides downfall and allows the teams great rebounding in all positions to shine through.
  • AD can guard positions 1-5, Prime Shaq is mobile, PG can guard 1-3, Worthy also can guard 2-3, Sam Jones 1-2 from the bench, Havlicek 1-3.

Good luck @BIG DUNK @Baneofthegame
 

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I assumed that Big_Dunk would run the triangle considering he had Pippen/Kobe/Rodman.

Feel with the front court, they have no one to attack the zone effectively and outside of Rodman I have elite rebounders at every position.

From the bench I have some of the greatest players of all time either in their roles or at their positions and have the ability to go big, small, play inside or outside and nullify some of the strengths of dunks team.

Kobe is IMO a top 10 player of all time, greatest laker ever, unstoppable, just try to make him take inefficient shots from areas he doesn’t want to be at.

I’ll add more later when my kids have gone to bed.
 

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Both brilliant, but, and that is my personal opinion I just don't like Billups. He was more about the stats than team. Open to change my mind as the rest of the team is great and built around Kobe. Also, I maybe got it wrong about Billups...

Don't see Bane lineup in visual, love George pick.

Close as every game. Let's just say we are all winners!!
 

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Jim Beam said:
Both brilliant, but, and that is my personal opinion I just don't like Billups. He was more about the stats than team. Open to change my mind as the rest of the team is great and built around Kobe. Also, I maybe got it wrong about Billups...

Don't see Bane lineup in visual, love George pick.

Close as every game. Let's just say we are all winners!!
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Billups? He was a selfless point guard, the ultimate team player.
Him allround game is nowhere near the Westbrook/Iverson/Harden lead guard type hero ball that does not win series or championships.

Chose backcourt options Billups/Dumars/Ginobili because they all understand sacrifice and their roles. They also are great motivators. Respected for their leadership and as winners.
 

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BIG DUNK said:
Billups? He was a selfless point guard, the ultimate team player.
Him allround game is nowhere near the Westbrook/Iverson/Harden lead guard type hero ball that does not win series or championships.

Chose backcourt options Billups/Dumars/Ginobili because they all understand sacrifice and their roles. They also are great motivators. Respected for their leadership and as winners.
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Aye, I might be wrong.

http://basketball-statistics.com/styleofplayofpointguards.html
 

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Still personally think this battle is won in the front court, also think Oscar is slept on, would need to be guarded by Pippen or Kobe freeing up Worthy/George.

Again from the bench:

Bob Pettit averaged 24/16 and put up 28/20 in a season.

John Havilcek the original and better Ginobli who was 8-0 in the finals.

Sam Jones who Bob Cousy essentially said got him into the HoF and was essentially praised by Red Auerbach as making him as a coach. 10 titles and amazing team player.

Feel the zone will be effective in slowing the great Kobe Bryant.
 

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:lol:

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What's to explain. Kobe in for Jordan to re-kindle the trio with Pippen and Rodman. He is no jordan but it is a big plus to reassemble something like that
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Tbf, I also don't like to be questioned about my vote, so I will give you that and we should move on without any bad blood from our last match.

Saying all that, you should stick to cricket.
 

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Jim Beam said:

:lol:



Tbf, I also don't like to be questioned about my vote, so I will give you that and we should move on without any bad blood from our last match.

Saying all that, you should stick to cricket.
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Yeah to be fair it wasn’t like an interrogation, just the only vote that happened.

Apologies if it offended anybody.
 

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Baneofthegame said:
Yeah to be fair it wasn’t like an interrogation, just the only vote that happened.

Apologies if it offended anybody.
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You shouldn't take me seriously in the early hours. :wenger: And generally no one should get offended by draft game.

It is good to start the debate, which you tried.... BD might be pissed, but I just don't rate Billups. Which is a shame as the rest of the team is nailed in Jordan way. You want a Stockton kind of PG there.
 

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Jim Beam said:
You shouldn't take me seriously in the early hours. :wenger: And generally no one should get offended by draft game.

It is good to start the debate, which you tried.... BD might be pissed, but I just don't rate Billups. Which is a shame as the rest of the team is nailed in Jordan way. You want a Stockton kind of PG there.
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I would actually want Steph Curry if I could swap for any point guard whose played the game.

Running the offence through Stockton/Magic, they’d need the ball in their hands... while I already have a point forward in Pippen, a killer in Kobe and a facilitator/floor general in Billups. That’s balanced.

If I was running heavy P&R, Stockton and Malone would be ideal (instead of BILLUPS and RODMAN).
 

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BIG DUNK said:
I would actually want Steph Curry if I could swap for any point guard whose played the game.

Running the offence through Stockton/Magic, they’d need the ball in their hands... while I already have a point forward in Pippen, a killer in Kobe and a facilitator/floor general in Billups. That’s balanced.

If I was running heavy P&R, Stockton and Malone would be ideal (instead of BILLUPS and RODMAN).
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You would put Curry in 90's Bulls for example? It is balanced, it is pretty much perfect, but Billups was a dominant PG.

For example, I would think if I would pair both Billups and Paul with Jordan.
 

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Jim Beam said:
You would put Curry in 90's Bulls for example? It is balanced, it is pretty much perfect, but Billups was a dominant PG.

For example, I would think if I would pair both Billups and Paul with Jordan.
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Probably wouldn’t pair either with Jordan, Curry would be fine as he doesn’t always have to be ball dominant to be effective and is great at making plays off of off ball movement and screens etc.

Also helps he can shoot from anywhere.
 

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