NBA Draft - SF - Bane vs He-man

With players in their peak, who would win?


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Šjor Bepo

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Shaquille O’Neal:



4× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2006)
3× NBA Finals MVP (2000–2002)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2000)
15× NBA All-Star (1993–1998, 2000–2007, 2009)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000, 2004, 2009)
8× All-NBA First Team (1998, 2000–2006)


I’m not going to list all his achievements but you get the premise, was almost the first ever unanimous MVP the sole year he won it (criminal he only won one.).



29.7 points, 13.6 rebounds, 3.8 assists, and 3.0 blocks on 57.4 Shooting in the regular season.



30.7/15.4/2.4 in the play-offs (99-00) with 43 mins per game which is outrageous.



Unguardable in his prime by anyone.



Anthony Davis





7× NBA All-Star (2014–2020)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2017)
3× All-NBA First Team (2015, 2017, 2018)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (2018)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2015, 2017)
3× NBA blocks leader (2014, 2015, 2018)




While still short in his career he boasts the third best PER of all time behind only MJ and LeBron, just. Recently traded to the Lakers he can guard all 5 positions, shoot from outside, take bigs off the dribble with ease and has a decent post game to boot. Led the league in blocks 3 times and was a lock for this years DPOY.



Averaged over 20/10/2 for 5 seasons, in his best season with the NOP averaged 28/11/2.6 per game.





James Worthy





3× NBA champion (1985, 1987, 1988)
NBA Finals MVP (1988)
7× NBA All-Star (1986–1992)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1991)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1983)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team


Big Game James, consummate team player, had a historic triple double in game 7 of the finals which had never been repeated and won Finals MVP in a team that included Kareem and Magic.



Averaged 23.6/5.6/3.5/1.6/1.2 on 59% shooting during the 87 title run, never shot less than 50% during his prime and averaged a block a game from the SF positions in more than one year.



Paul George





6× NBA All-Star (2013, 2014, 2016–2019)
All-NBA First Team (2019)
4× All-NBA Third Team (2013, 2014, 2016, 2018)
2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2014, 2019)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2013, 2016)
NBA steals leader (2019)


Averaged: 28.0/8.2/4.1 and 39% 3PT on his last full season with OKC.



PG13 while not a legend in his own right yet, is another complimentary piece known for his all around offensive game and defence which can cover 3 positions. Has no issue working with or without the ball and offers elite play on both sides of the ball.



Kobe Bryant




5× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2009, 2010)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2016)
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
11× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2013)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006–2011)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012)


Bob Pettit



NBA champion (1958)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (1956, 1959)
11× NBA All-Star (1955–1965)
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1956, 1958, 1959, 1962)
10× All-NBA First Team (1955–1964)
All-NBA Second Team (1965)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1955)




The first ever league MVP was a monster on both ends of the court and although overshadowed later in his career by Russell and Chamberlain nonetheless was one of the best PF’s of all time.



Averaged: 28/20 for an entire season and outside of Lucas/Chamberlain is the only player to do so.



Also has the third highest rebounding average of all time and average 24/16 for his career.



John Havlicek



8× NBA champion (1963–1966, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1976)
NBA Finals MVP (1974)
13× NBA All-Star (1966–1978)
4× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974)
7× All-NBA Second Team (1964, 1966, 1968–1970, 1975, 1976)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972–1976)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969–1971)


When you think of the leading scorer in Celtics history who is the first name you think of? Bird? Mchale? Pierce? Russell?



The answer is none of those but the great “Hondo” John Havlicek, a man who racked up an immense 26,395 points during his career.



He revolutionised the sixth man position leading the way for future players (like Ginobli) and was the “guts” of those great Celtic title teams and was known to be a challenge just to keep up with him on the court.



Had one of the most famous plays of all time with his steak from Hal Greer which led to the next player in my time securing the win and a 3-1 overturned deficit.



Was also 8-0 in the finals.



Former teammate Paul Silas expressed his fondness for Havlicek, whom he played with from 1972 to 1976.

"I loved the man. I won two championships with him," Silas told ESPN. "When I first got to Boston, we talked all the time. All I wanted him to do was shoot. And when he didn't, I'd go right at him. He really was one of the greatest shooters I ever saw. When we needed a big basket, he was always the guy we wanted to take the shot.''

The Celtics called Havlicek "the face of many of the franchise's signature moments."

"His defining traits as a player were his relentless hustle and wholehearted commitment to team over self,"



One of the many quotes about the late great Hondo.



Sam Jones



10× NBA champion (1959–1966, 1968, 1969)
5× NBA All-Star (1962, 1964–1966, 1968)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1965–1967)


Sam Jones has the second most Championships of all time behind Bill Russell, team player who went largely forgotten but nonetheless was a staple of the great Celtic sides with his perfect form shooting. Played both sides of the ball and also the master of the bank shot which he was said to be able to hit from anywhere.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/217675-sam-jones-sadly-and-undeservingly-forgotten-over-time



Bill Russell on Sam Jones:



“I never could guess what Sam was going to do or say, with one major exception: I knew exactly how would react in our huddle during the final seconds of a crucial game. I'm talking about a situation when we'd be one point behind, with five seconds to go in a game that meant not just first place or pride but a whole season, when everything was on the line. You're standing there feeling weak. The pressure weighs down on you so brutally that it crushes your heart as flat as a pizza, and you feel it thudding down around your stomach. During that time-out the question will be who'll take the shot that means the season, and Red would be looking around at faces, trying to decide what play to call. It's a moment when even the better players in the NBA will start coughing, tying their shoelaces and looking the other way. At such moments I knew what Sam would do as well as I know my own names. 'Gimme the ball,' he'd say. 'I'll make it.' And all of us would look at him, and we'd know by looking that he meant what he said. Not only that, you knew that he'd make it.”



System: Triangle



Overview:



My team is mainly picked of players who are complimentary pieces and thrive without the ball and don’t need to be the main guy to get the best out of the MDE Shaquille O’Neal, with multi-champions, MVPS, Finals MVPS and players who are willing to sacrifice for the team to reach the common goal.


O’Neal
Davis/Pettit
Worthy/Havlicek
George/
Bryant/Jones


In the last round we unfortunately had to drop Big O, to reunite Shaq/Kobe one of the greatest one two punches of all time. Held the record for the best post season matched only by the Golden State Warriors.


Offense:


Still run the triangle through Shaq, neither the Cap or Timmy could guard Shaq in his prime 1v1 for long stretches of the game, Bryant has detailed knowledge of the triangle with Shaq adds shooting from all over the court, can spell in the post the opposite side when either Cap/TD have been drawn away from the middle by Davis.

Worthy still adds his elite IQ and cutting game to any post ups and constant off ball movement allowing easy opportunities and is suited to playoff basketball.

Bench remains the same.

Defence:

Assuming the lineup will be:

Kareem/Wallace
Duncan
Marion/Carter
Drexler
AI/Johnson

Still use the Zone, Timmy can hit the bank shot but defensively I feel one on one coverage if the zone is attacked through the middle is sufficient as really TD was a Center that was advertised as a power forward early on in his career.

A lot of the opposition need the ball to be effective outside of Marion, I feel we match up well on both ends of the court and have far better options off of the bench and winners throughout the squad to lead us to the W.

Good luck to Himannv!

Team he-man



5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*

No player in NBA history has matched — or even come within 1,000 points of — Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s career total of 38,387 points.

He averaged 24.6 points and 11.2 rebounds in his career, which landed him a record-19 All-Star Game selections in 20 total seasons played. Abdul-Jabbar was a key part of six championship-winning teams for the Bucks and the Lakers.

When ranking players, excellence at the peak of a career matters, and the same can be said about longevity. Kareem had both. He is the best offensive C of all time and arguably also the best C of all time.

He also possess one of the most unstoppable weapons in NBA history, which you can see from 4:30 minutes onwards in the following video. He's also not just about the Sky Hook as he is actually a great player in other aspects of the game as well as you can probably see in the video.


Height: 7 ft 2

Accolades:

  • 6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
  • 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
  • 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
  • 19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
  • 10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)
  • 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)
  • 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979–1981)
  • 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976–1978, 1984)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1970)
  • 2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972)
  • NBA rebounding champion (1976)
  • 4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980)
  • No. 33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
  • No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
  • NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
  • 3× NCAA champion (1967–1969)
  • 3× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1967–1969)
  • 3× National college player of the year (1967–1969)
  • 3× Consensus first-team All-American (1967–1969)
  • No. 33 retired by UCLA Bruins
  • 2× Mr. Basketball USA (1964, 1965)
  • Presidential Medal of Freedom (2016)

4. Tim Duncan*

Quite simply the best damn PF of all time. This guy is timeless and consistent. His absolute prime and his twilight are virtually indistinguishable and all fantastic.

“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee

The great quote above covers what he brings offensively. He knows his game and he does it from the left all day long.


He's also a beast defensively and great with his positioning and reading of the game:


Height: 6 ft 11

Accolades:

  • 5× NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014)
  • 3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
  • 2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002, 2003)
  • 15× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011, 2013, 2015)
  • NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
  • 10× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007, 2013)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008, 2009)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2010, 2015)
  • 8× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007, 2008)
  • 7× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
  • NBA Teammate of the Year (2015)
  • No. 21 retired by San Antonio Spurs
  • USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2003)
  • Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2003)
  • Consensus National College Player of the Year (1997)
  • 2× Consensus first-team All-American (1996, 1997)
  • Chip Hilton Player of the Year (1997)
  • NCAA rebounding leader (1997)
  • 3× NABC Defensive Player of the Year (1995–1997)
  • 2× ACC Player of the Year (1996, 1997)
  • 3× First-team All-ACC (1995–1997)
  • No. 21 retired by Wake Forest Demon Deacons


3. Clyde Drexler

24.8 points, 6.9 rebounds, 6.0 assists and 2.2 steals per game, with a plus-2.4 relative true shooting percentage. That's Drexler's 5-year peak. The only reason he wasn't the best SG of his era was because one Michael Jordan happened to be playing at the same time.

He was big enough to play as SF and did so quite often. He's also just one of those players that loved to dunk.


Height: 6 ft 7

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (1995)
  • 10× NBA All-Star (1986, 1988–1994, 1996, 1997)
  • All-NBA First Team (1992)
  • 2× All-NBA Second Team (1988, 1991)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1995)
  • No. 22 retired by Portland Trail Blazers
  • No. 22 retired by Houston Rockets
  • NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
  • Consensus second-team All-American (1983)
  • SWC co-Player of the Year (1983)
  • No. 22 retired by Houston Cougars

2. Vince Carter

One of the most complete players to ever grace the NBA — a great athlete who could also play defense, rebound, and hit key shots. He's timeless and dunks the ball better than anyone. The player who was deemed “half-man, half-amazing” has been nothing short of that throughout his entire career.


Height: 6 ft 6

Accolades

  • 8× NBA All-Star (2000–2007)
  • All-NBA Second Team (2001)
  • All-NBA Third Team (2000)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1999)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1999)
  • NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2000)
  • Twyman-Stokes Teammate of the Year (2016)
  • Consensus second-team All-American (1998)
  • First-team All-ACC (1998)
  • Third-team All-ACC (1997)
  • No. 15 honored by North Carolina Tar Heels
  • First-team Parade All-American (1995)
  • Florida Mr. Basketball (1995)
  • McDonald's All-American (1995)


1. Allan Iverson

Something really great about a short player making it in the land of giants that is the NBA. I don't think I've enjoyed watching anyone score a layup as much as I've enjoyed The Answer. The 76ers team he played for were absolutely trash and he pretty much dragged them towards wins single-handedly at times.

Iverson is one of the greatest offensive talents the NBA has ever produced, and he succeeded as a one-man scoring machine with too much frequency for anyone to complain too loudly about his low shooting percentages and lackluster Career Contributions. After all, the former is largely because of the role he was so often asked to fill, and the latter is dragged down by the twilight of his career.

Iverson averaged 30 points per game four times throughout his career and won just as many scoring titles.


Height: 6 ft

Accolades:

  • NBA Most Valuable Player (2001)
  • 11× NBA All-Star (2000–2010)
  • 2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2001, 2005)
  • 3× All-NBA First Team (1999, 2001, 2005)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2002, 2003)
  • All-NBA Third Team (2006)
  • NBA Rookie of the Year (1997)
  • NBA All-Rookie First Team (1997)
  • 4× NBA scoring champion (1999, 2001, 2002, 2005)
  • 3× NBA steals leader (2001–2003)
  • No. 3 retired by Philadelphia 76ers
  • Consensus first-team All-American (1996)
  • First-team All-Big East (1996)
  • 2× Big East Defensive Player of the Year (1995, 1996)
  • First-team Parade All-American (1993)


The other three:

Ben Wallace

In the team for his defensive excellence and he's one of the best defensive big men the game has ever seen.

"Olajuwon and Mutombo were great defenders, but they only guarded centers. Ben can basically guard 1s through 5s, and the closest guy I saw do that was Dennis Rodman." - Joe Dumars


Height: 6 ft 9

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (2004)
  • 4× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006)
  • 4× NBA All-Star (2003–2006)
  • 3× All-NBA Second Team (2003, 2004, 2006)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2002, 2005)
  • 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002–2006)
  • NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2007)
  • 2× NBA rebounding leader (2002, 2003)
  • NBA blocks leader (2002)
  • No. 3 retired by Detroit Pistons
  • First-team Division II All-American – NABC (1996)

Shawn Marion

Another player in it for his athleticism and defence. He's one of the best and most underrated perimeter defenders of all time. Offers some excellent backup to the SF position


Height: 6 ft 7

Accolades:

  • NBA champion (2011)
  • 4× NBA All-Star (2003, 2005–2007)
  • 2× All-NBA Third Team (2005, 2006)
  • NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2000)
  • First-team All-WAC (1999)

Vinnie Johnson

He's called the microwave for being a player who can heat up the court in a short time. He's one of the best 6th men every and was perfect backup to Dumas and Thomas. Johnson’s greatness wasn’t in how many points he scored, but how efficiently he scored them.


Height: 6 ft 2

Accolades:

  • 2× NBA champion (1989, 1990)
  • No. 15 retired by Detroit Pistons
  • Second-team All-American – AP (1979)
 

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I reckon I can't vote but two great teams. Have to say I think Kareem was all-around a superior player to Shaq. That skyhook was indefensible.
 

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bane masterfully killed the game with his wall of nothing in the OP, couldnt be bothered to research how his team looks so skipped the whole damn thing :lol: will have to put some guidelines how the OP should look for a final.
 

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bane masterfully killed the game with his wall of nothing in the OP, couldnt be bothered to research how his team looks so skipped the whole damn thing :lol: will have to put some guidelines how the OP should look for a final.
Probably should of put the overview at the start rather than the end, didn’t see any strategy from Himmanv so thought he was going to post it afterward for a bit of debate, probably why it turned into a classic :lol: