I have no idea why Ole trusts Fred so much. He should become a baker because he certainly creates turnovers (cherry is my favourite). McT should be left to help at the back, play Pogba more central and attack with the rest. And more team play. Make the extra pass.
Neville - ‘’no style of play’’
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Grow up. Who is being gleeful here?
I think we will find out if it costs him.
Nah I can't see it. Top 4 is the bar - as long as he clears it, he'll be here in 2022/23.
The wheels will properly have to come off for any change to be made.
The only time the front office showed decisivenes was when they axed Moyes. I wonder if they changed their approach afterwards or things behind the scenes had gotten unbearable by that point.
That was at the height of their indecisiveness. It was only at the Jose sacking that they were somewhat proactive.
I mean they fired Moyes after 7 months of a 5 year contract . Looks pretty decisive move unless you understand something different by that term.
They acted when we mathematically couldn't get fourth. Being proactive would have been to sack him at Xmas when it was obvious he wasn't going to steady the ship, not give him 40m to spend on a player he didn't seem to know how to use and then sack him 3 months later.
That debacle set us back further than any of the subsequent managers.
The team is set up simply not to be beaten. Has to be, how do you explain the double pivot in midfield against mid table sides if that's not the case.
Top 4 was mathematically impossible at that stage, wasn't it? I expect things would have to get similarly bad before they'd think about replacing Ole. Our squad is not perfect, but it is substantially stronger than Leicester/Arsenal/Spurs etc and should safely see us at least to 4th place come May. That should be enough to see Ole keep his job into 2022/23. Style of play won't really be a consideration.
I don’t even see what he’s trying to do. I don’t think he is trying to do anything. I think he’s naming an 11 and seeing how it goes.
If the comments attributed to him earlier about not liking this ‘modern rubbish’ and wanting the team to play like in ‘his day’ and he doesn’t agree with defined roles for players, then that’s fecking scary. He’s trying to be a Alex Ferguson tribute act stuck in the 90s.
If the comments attributed to him earlier about not liking this ‘modern rubbish’ and wanting the team to play like in ‘his day’ and he doesn’t agree with defined roles for players, then that’s fecking scary. He’s trying to be a Alex Ferguson tribute act stuck in the 90s.
Everyone who has been ‘proved’ right because Gary Neville said something? Same probably usually hate Neville too.
Does Tuchel set up his team not to be beaten with his double Pivot?
Great first post.
That's my concern with him, I think he's genuinely trying to be SAF. Except at Sir Alex end you already saw his playing style becoming a problem, it was his shear presence and ability to bring out the best of his squad that carried us to trophies. I don't see those things in Ole and he needs to realise he will not emulate Sir Alex in that manner.
This is exactly the issue, we aren't playing against Kroos+Modric or Kimmich+ Goretzka every weekend, at least I can accept that your City's & Liverpool's midfields have better personnel or can play better as a collective midfield unit, but ours should not be coming up short against the likes of Aston Villa, Southampton or Wolves
Soon.
That's my concern, only a truly disastrous form will take to see him leave, just like when Jose was axed. If we trudge on like last year he'll stay up until it's either possible to get 4 or not.
He has been saying this for 2 years. This is nothing new. It is feasible Neville and the Caftards banging this drum don't know what they are on about since Ole's staunchest supporters think otherwise
It's no real surprise lots of our ex players are quite harsh. As much as they may like Ole they're top level professionals and have high standards.
They love the club and after making it a success our underperfomances will hurt them far more than it does us fans.
not the first time. he said this last season aswell
so if United get 75pts this season and no trophies the board will see this as satisfa........what the hell am I saying, that's the perfect situation for them?!?! Slow progress zero pressure/expectation
He has no style
He has no grace
This coach has a funny face
He can handstand
When he needs to
And stretch his arms out
Just for you
Inflate himself
Just like a balloon
The crazy coach
Just digs this tune
Huh!
He has no grace
This coach has a funny face
He can handstand
When he needs to
And stretch his arms out
Just for you
Inflate himself
Just like a balloon
The crazy coach
Just digs this tune
Huh!
MAybe when talking with Keane he was referring to "their era day". He said to win this league "today" you need to perform week in
In your heart of hearts do you not think that, for example, Moutinho and Neves, are the equal of what we put out most weeks?
Lets not forget, before Bruno arrived we were getting beat at home 2-0 by Burnley. We were stuck resolutely around 6th place, at best, and looking midtable because our squad was pretty mid table.
Adding a lot of firepower up top doesn't disguise the fact that there are many parts of our squad that are still midtable.
GNev has no authority to criticise any manager given his own managerial failings. Even less from the fact that he then ran away instead of trying again lower down the pyramid.
Top, top contributon. Well done.
everyone on here will never even manage a professional club unlike Neville so gives us even less authority to criticise Ole going off that comment. He's a pundit, maybe he did fail as a manager but he's not wrong about us with them comments.
The only part of our squad that is midtable on paper is the midfield 2. That doesn't mean we should get outplayed when the remaining positions are all as good as anyone else. City have been dominant with Zinchenko at left back, and both City and Liverpool still look more cohesive than us and play more as a team with a fully rotated side (though not better as it's a 2nd team compared to our first team).
I think a lot is made of having "a double pivot"
I think the problem simply is that the two we have in midfield aren't good enough to be natural starters in this team, especially Fred. Carrick and Scholes together wasn't gung ho, but both of them were very good at what they did and it helped the front 4. And we played with two deeper midfielders against mid-table teams then too.
We're still having nearly 30 shots per match, but there's not enough quality coming from the middle of the park. We're relying on quality from width.
He's said what plenty have been saying for a long time, in a more subtle way.
I honestly think it's quite telling that he's come out with these comments. He's never going to come out and say 'sack him', but the fact he has made these comments, is damning enough. The pressure is certainly on Ole right now.
I honestly think it's quite telling that he's come out with these comments. He's never going to come out and say 'sack him', but the fact he has made these comments, is damning enough. The pressure is certainly on Ole right now.
Have to agree with Gary Neville here.
The one thing that struck me on Saturday was the haphazard aspect of our play. You never felt like we were building momentum or slowly turning the screw on Villa. Each missed chance felt like an isolated incident as opposed to a building of pressure on the opposition (and you could see the frustration of these missed opportunities on fans and players alike).
This all goes back of course, to our inability to control and dictate games. In fact, some of our best changes came when Villa pinned us back and we hit them on the break.
I'm worried about Villareal on Wednesday!!
The one thing that struck me on Saturday was the haphazard aspect of our play. You never felt like we were building momentum or slowly turning the screw on Villa. Each missed chance felt like an isolated incident as opposed to a building of pressure on the opposition (and you could see the frustration of these missed opportunities on fans and players alike).
This all goes back of course, to our inability to control and dictate games. In fact, some of our best changes came when Villa pinned us back and we hit them on the break.
I'm worried about Villareal on Wednesday!!
Why? Knowing something and getting it implemented from others is two separate things.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
I hope there is no criticism from you of any player / manager / CEO / ref / <insert profession> on the caf
mostly low percentage shots. Like playing a basketball match reigning down logo 3's
Yes, agree with this completely.
No, that's not what I said. When a team is pressing you all over the pitch, like Aston Villa did, you don't need a "build up plan" to win. You need fast transitions once you win the ball back. Our problem was that our transitions were too fast - we needed to play that extra pass in their half, and we didn't. I blame the players on the pitch as much as I do Ole for that defeat for not slowing the play down by just one extra pass, and always going for the Hollywood pass from our half or running and shooting from outside the box.
I dont know if the days of the double pivot are numbers. Seeing lots of teams play well with 433 or variations of the 343 like 3421 or 3412.
For me When we play fred and mctominay it allows the opposition to press high like villa did. Even if varane and maguire slip the ball between the lines fred just gives it straight back.
I also think our forward options consist of too many luxury players. Bruno, Pogba, Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood are not going to sprint back 60 yards to get the units shape back behind the ball. I watched the last hour of the villa game, it looked like back 6 and front 4. My main recollection was our centre backs kicking it route 1
even if Moutinho & Neves are of the same or better quality with our holding midfielders, we still got better defenders, better wingers and better strikers, better chance creators in Bruno & Pogba, we even have a decent bench that has players who can have impact (Lingard scored vs WH & Cavani's header vs AV got us a pen).
I'm not arguing our midfield is as good as City's or Bayern or they gonna win us trophies, but they aren't worse than what any midtable can field, yet these midtable teams work better as a unit, and we don't, that's all I'm saying.
My criticism here isn't about tactics or style of play or patterns and whatnot, it's just that i don't see the players doing the basic things right, a touch, a 5-7 yards pass, runs, movements etc... and I can't tell with absolute certainty why is that happening, but my first guess would be coaching and preparations wasn't up to task on that day