The two things aren't linked though mate. Why would selling one player mean we can't build a stadium that Bruno would likely never play in anyway?
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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The two things aren't linked though mate. Why would selling one player mean we can't build a stadium that Bruno would likely never play in anyway?
The one they've announced? No.
I used to work in Interior Design and have been to Fosters' studio and their work in conceptual phases was absolutely incredible. Amazing visuals, beautiful models, they sell the dream, and then if the will and the money is there, they can build.
We're broke as feck, a mess of a club, we're not building this stadium.
It doesn't mean we can't build a stadium.
But if we are planning for medocrity, which selling your best player leads to, I am saying we won;t need a big stadium, and we will not build one.
This won't happen
First off mate I don't think we're actually selling Bruno. But if we were it'll have little or no impact on whether or not the new stadium is being built 5-10 years from now.
Why do you think it won't be built? Do you think Ratcliffe and the club have spent millions on the studies, designs, and made the big public announcements etc. Just for the Craic?
You are aware that United had the highest attendances in England even after they were relegated to the old 2nd division yes?
United will always need a big stadium.
Barcelona (1.9 Billion in debt) just agreed to pay 1.5 Billion for the Nou Camp renovation. United being broke currently I'd imagine has little or no impact on the stadium project. The club wouldn't be funding it directly anyway.
This stadium will never see the light of day. At least not under this ownership.
Beginning to seem like pie in the sky stuff this. Another PR stunt to keep the fans discontent to a minimum.
Don't think it's happening anytime soon.
Spurs stadium took 4 years to build, Wembley also 4 years. Everton 3.5 years. So that's a good ball park figure for the time between 'breaking ground' and actually opening. It's the planning/funding side which seems so open ended.
Edit - the architect has estimated 5 years construction time, which probably make sense given the size.
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It’s the culture of ‘everything now’. Like you say it’s been weeks since the announcement.
Some people have no comprehension on what’s involved for a project this size.
I don't know what people are expecting by this stage really, when it was announced they were clear it would still take at least a year before they even broke ground. And even that seemed optimistic considering the scale of the project.
We seem a long way off construction. That’s my point.
None of which can even begin until new, alternative, marshalling yards, railway infrastructure, associated roads and premises are built and ready, which will need finance agreed by the government, and get planning permissions and compulsory purchases over with.
It's not my subject so there will be loads of stuff I haven't thought of. I can say anything involving railways is phenomenally expensive and takes years to do though.
After that we can start building. I hope so anyway.
There was a poster on here who said it’ll be ready for the 2026/27 season
Social media has done massive damage on the youth of today. They wanted the shiny new stadium ready yesterday
GROUND HAS NOT BEEN BROKEN SO IT WAS ALL FAKE LIES AND GUFF!!
Yeah, I quite agree. It will be the biggest stadium in the country, and likley will be funded by some kind of joint public-private arrangement. I don't see how that gets done quickly.
Yeah it's been 10 weeks, do you see a new stadium?!
Yep. someone mentioned a decade when the plans first came out, and i thought that was quite over the top,. But, learning a bit more about it, I can see how that could easily be about right.
A 100k seater stadium in 10 years suggests around 200 seats built per week. Jim is WELL behind!
They have to find some builders first, remember most of them fecked off back to Poland a few years back
If the lazy cnuts got their finger out they could nearly have it ready for next season.
I've built the Lego Old Trafford if they are looking for a builder. I'm probably over qualified but as a fan of the club I'll take this project on.
Sadly they are looking for someone who builds Lego circus tents
The construction phase might only take 4 or 5 years, but it could take an additional 4 or 5 years just to get spades in the ground. 10(ish) years from announcement of the project to completion of the build has typically been the timeline for most of these big new build stadia in the UK.
I'm yet to be convinced that it is happening at all, but even if it does, we won't be playing in a new stadium much before 2034/5.
I think they have to get it going now while Andy Burnham and the Labour Govt in Westminster are supportive.
That doesn’t mean spades in the ground next week but the planning and logistics can usually be anything form 2-5 years and they are aiming for the lower end rather the higher.
There will be lots of land clearing etc to do before the actual stadium build starts so they probably have 2-3 years to sort the rail yards etc.
It’s only freight rail at least which seems like it should be quicker and cheaper to sort. No fancy new stations to design and build.
No chance in hell Ratcliffe provides the funds for this. The press release was deliberately timed to distract from dreadful ownership seriously damaging the team and club and worst performances in 50 years.
He'll try and get public money to fund it for his own personal enrichment and when he fails it'll get down graded first then shelved. At that point there will be some moderate refurbishment of OT to appease a fan base after his blood.
He's no more above board than the glazers, Owen oyston or those yanks who were bringing Liverpool to their knees.
He'll try and get public money to fund it for his own personal enrichment and when he fails it'll get down graded first then shelved. At that point there will be some moderate refurbishment of OT to appease a fan base after his blood.
He's no more above board than the glazers, Owen oyston or those yanks who were bringing Liverpool to their knees.
Nope. Public money to regenerate the area. Not the stadium.
You do realise that massive development around a new stadium dramatically changes the value and earnings of that stadium? It's vital for the return on investment.
Thats why he's so desperate for the scheme to be part of a greater whole. Without that tax payer cash he'll delay, down grade then shelve.
Why would you expect Ratcliffe to fund it? He’s a minority owner. He may agree to put some funding in for some more shares.
Even at £2.5bn assuming costs rise in the next 5-10 years the club will self finance.
Probably £500m in naming rights then covering the debt payments through increased revenues. Tottenham increased their match day revenue by over 100% from something like £45m to £106m.
Given the size of Utd’s new ground proposal you would think we’d achieve something similar. Perhaps we have less headroom with it not being in London but an extra £60-70m a year is probable and could cover any borrowing costs. Then you have concerts and other events which we don’t do a load of at Old Trafford currently.
At no point has anyone including Ratcliffe himself suggested he would. No one on the planet is funding a £2b stadium build out of their own pocket. It will be down via Sponsorships, investment, borrowing and potentially raising money by selling or leasing land around OT.
United, the Government and everyone involved has been clear that no Public money will be going towards the stadium build itself nor have United asked for any. The governments only involvement will be to move the freight terminal and the existing regeneration project on the other side of the canal.