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I'm still waiting to see how this is going to be financed.

Loans aren't cheap anymore.
The assumption seems to be that the taxpayer will foot a large chunk of the bill. If that doesn't happen, it probably doesn't go ahead.
 
There's nothing new in that interview that hasn't been said, the club wants the government to hurry up with the plans and approvals of the Old Trafford regeneration project, only then will United start building the stadium. The whole stadium is being sold to investors with the added allure of rebuilding the surrounding areas, without it the stadium on its own is worth less.
 
There's nothing new in that interview that hasn't been said, the club wants the government to hurry up with the plans and approvals of the Old Trafford regeneration project, only then will United start building the stadium. The whole stadium is being sold to investors with the added allure of rebuilding the surrounding areas, without it the stadium on its own is worth less.
If it happens it's going to take a long time.
 
If it happens it's going to take a long time.
Yeah, it's a big stadium too which in a perfect world will take 5 years to build, in the real world probably more than 6 and that is if the government doesn't delay. The first sign if things are getting delayed will be if we don't see the final plans within the next 2 months, that has to happen if they want to start construction by the end of the year.
 
With the UK currently in a very deep hole financially, and so many pressures to spend elsewhere, I can easily see the government putting any funding for this regeneration scheme firmly on the back-burner.
It wouldn't surprise me if Berrada has gotten word of such talk and is trying to push back.
I hope this isn't the case, but it certainty feels like this club can't get a break at the moment.
 
With the UK currently in a very deep hole financially, and so many pressures to spend elsewhere, I can easily see the government putting any funding for this regeneration scheme firmly on the back-burner.
It wouldn't surprise me if Berrada has gotten word of such talk and is trying to push back.
I hope this isn't the case, but it certainty feels like this club can't get a break at the moment.

This is exactly the kind of project the current Govt would want to support though. Regeneration of a significant area in the North would be a big win compared to the prior Govt's empty promises about 'levelling up.
 
Ill probably be a great grandfather by time this is built.

If the tweedle-dum family never bought us, do people think we would have had a new stadium many moons ago? I think we would of made decision when Wembley/Emirates/ were being done. And if not then definitely when Spurs done theirs.
 
Yeah, it's a big stadium too which in a perfect world will take 5 years to build, in the real world probably more than 6 and that is if the government doesn't delay. The first sign if things are getting delayed will be if we don't see the final plans within the next 2 months, that has to happen if they want to start construction by the end of the year.

I doubt they'll start construction before the freight line is sorted because it'd be a waste of money if that ends up not getting moved. And won't that part alone take years to complete anyway, before we even start building the stadium?
 
I doubt they'll start construction before the freight line is sorted because it'd be a waste of money if that ends up not getting moved. And won't that part alone take years to complete anyway, before we even start building the stadium?

In my city, we are awaiting an events center smack right in the city centre, proposal was drafted up on 2007 , the old Beamish and Crawford brewery closed in 2009. 2014 BAM acquired the site , sod was turned in 2015 to get building. It's now 2025 and it's still just rubble , and BAM have asked for 5 year extension till 2030. It'll never be done at this stage, and the expected cost has gone way above and beyond the original one. UK is probably better than Ireland in this regard but nothing is ever easy or on time.
 
Real question is will this be built before we reach top four again?
 
If it happens it's going to take a long time.
"Look, we want to build it, it's the government that's not ponying up"

Tying it to the regeneration is a good way to escape fan pressure and postpone this till eternity. Those renderings were the only thing the fans get out of the whole exercise.
 
"Look, we want to build it, it's the government that's not ponying up"

Tying it to the regeneration is a good way to escape fan pressure and postpone this till eternity. Those renderings were the only thing the fans get out of the whole exercise.
The Government have already offered broad support for the regeneration, centrally, but particularly locally. I think those comments are just to keep the pressure on to actually deliver.
 
"Look, we want to build it, it's the government that's not ponying up"

Tying it to the regeneration is a good way to escape fan pressure and postpone this till eternity. Those renderings were the only thing the fans get out of the whole exercise.


It's such a long process. This stuff takes years in this country regardless.
 
This is nothing new but I called this months ago.

The stadium could still be built if they wanted it to without the regeneration project happening - it's being built on Utd's land after all. But lets face it, I think even SJR knows we can't afford it. I am still surprised we done all this plan without an idea how we were even going to fund it.

So SJR isn't stupid, he has put himself in a position of having a get out of jail free card by putting the ball in everyone else's court for this to happen. It can't happen unless this, it can't happen unless that.

As much as I want this to happen, I just don't see it. There will be excuse why it doesn't or can't and it will be because of someone else - whilst the likely cause is we just can't afford it.
 
Easy solution to all of this.

Spend 3/400 million building a brand new state-of-the-art three tier Bobby Charlton/South Stand.

Spend a bit more money giving the rest of the ground a face-lift (new roof etc). Make the experience for matchgoing fans a bit more comfortable.

Use the rest of the budget for "New Old Trafford" on building a smaller 20,000 seater womens/academy stadium next to OT that can also be used as a medium sized gig venue in the summer and extra bars for fans during the season. Sell 49% of the ownership of that stadium to some subsidiary type thing of INEOS and make a load of money back straight away.
 


Easy solution to all of this.

Spend 3/400 million building a brand new state-of-the-art three tier Bobby Charlton/South Stand.

Spend a bit more money giving the rest of the ground a face-lift (new roof etc). Make the experience for matchgoing fans a bit more comfortable.

Use the rest of the budget for "New Old Trafford" on building a smaller 20,000 seater womens/academy stadium next to OT that can also be used as a medium sized gig venue in the summer and extra bars for fans during the season. Sell 49% of the ownership of that stadium to some subsidiary type thing of INEOS and make a load of money back straight away.


I'd prefer that, but businessmen want to maximise profits which means bigger concourses, more ways to take in fan cash. They'd have to completey rebuild OT to suit their needs. That said, I suspect it's all pie in the sky and we're staying at OT for the foreseeable future.
 
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The Government have already offered broad support for the regeneration, centrally, but particularly locally. I think those comments are just to keep the pressure on to actually deliver.

It's such a long process. This stuff takes years in this country regardless.
Is there no way the stadium construction can start without the whole regeneration of the area being approved first?

What are the options if it doesn't come through? Is there any plan B? Can't we have a separate plan to expand and renovate OT in case the bureaucratic process takes forever? I don't think it is wise to leave the stadium as it is waiting for the government to come through. I hope they have an internal deadline, or they go with plan B.
 
Is there no way the stadium construction can start without the whole regeneration of the area being approved first?

What are the options if it doesn't come through? Is there any plan B? Can't we have a separate plan to expand and renovate OT in case the bureaucratic process takes forever? I don't think it is wise to leave the stadium as it is waiting for the government to come through. I hope they have an internal deadline, or they go with plan B.
The short answer is not easily. There are so many things you need to know to get down to the nuts and bolts of designing a build in detail. You need to know the road layouts, where electricity and waste water connections come and go, which direction to spit out the 100k people on foot when the match ends. This doesn't just affect the design, but also the process of building. All this kind of stuff can change if the area gets redeveloped at the same time.

Its worth appreciating that this is the biggest change to the site since OT was originally built, and could easily be the basis for the future of the stadium for another 100 years. And we're not like Everton, stuck in a 40K stadium. OT is already the biggest club ground in the country. So we certainly need to get the ground redeveloped, but we can afford to take a few years about it in order to get it right.
 
You are 75-years old man sitting on 30 billions. Just tell the goverment "feck-off" and put just couple billion of your fortune into that new stadium. Just start bulding that monstrosity this autumn. Ask the Glaziers to chip-in with a billion, despite Avram gambling away most of his fortune the other sibblings, especially Joel, are very rich as their money management is good. Play the next 3 seasons at new Everton ground while the New Trafford is being built. Feck sake Jimmy, do you really want to take 30bill to your grave??
 
You are 75-years old man sitting on 30 billions. Just tell the goverment "feck-off" and put just couple billion of your fortune into that new stadium. Just start bulding that monstrosity this autumn. Ask the Glaziers to chip-in with a billion, despite Avram gambling away most of his fortune the other sibblings, especially Joel, are very rich as their money management is good. Play the next 3 seasons at new Everton ground while the New Trafford is being built. Feck sake Jimmy, do you really want to take 30bill to your grave??
its just that easy, ain't it?
 
its just that easy, ain't it?
No it itsnt and Im jesting. Just cant comprehent that, if I was so rich, and old, that I would sit tight, unwilling to part with 10% of my fortune to please hundred or rather million people. Would rather built the fecking thing even as a minority owner, without Glazers putting in a penny, to show them for what they are, an absolute scum. But thats me, guess Ratcliffe would never become so rich in the first place with my naive thinking.
 
No it itsnt and Im jesting. Just cant comprehent that, if I was so rich, and old, that I would sit tight, unwilling to part with 10% of my fortune to please hundred or rather million people. Would rather built the fecking thing even as a minority owner, without Glazers putting in a penny, to show them for what they are, an absolute scum. But thats me, guess Ratcliffe would never become so rich in the first place with my naive thinking.

Yep. And he's no benovelant part owner either. The ruthless Tory multi billionaire.
 
Easy solution to all of this.

Spend 3/400 million building a brand new state-of-the-art three tier Bobby Charlton/South Stand.

Spend a bit more money giving the rest of the ground a face-lift (new roof etc). Make the experience for matchgoing fans a bit more comfortable.

Use the rest of the budget for "New Old Trafford" on building a smaller 20,000 seater womens/academy stadium next to OT that can also be used as a medium sized gig venue in the summer and extra bars for fans during the season. Sell 49% of the ownership of that stadium to some subsidiary type thing of INEOS and make a load of money back straight away.
The problem with that approach is that it won’t be enough to draw events like the NFL, or Taylor Swift/Beyonce etc away from Spurs and Wembley, which is where the real income driver is. We won’t get finals at European or international tournaments, as the Etihad will be considered the more modern stadium.

By all accounts a refurbishment and new south stand is harder than building from scratch, and just isn’t worth the type of investment that would be needed.
 
Yep. And he's no benovelant part owner either. The ruthless Tory multi billionaire.
I had to run it through a translator! :lol: It shows "benevolent". Well meaning and kindly. Serving a charitable rather than a profit-making purpose. In that case you are rather correct Im afraid... But, does it not sometimes happen that a filthy rich person gettin on a bit, would start wildly throwing their fortune around like there is no tomorrow?
 
I had to run it through a translator! :lol: It shows "benevolent". Well meaning and kindly. Serving a charitable rather than a profit-making purpose. In that case you are rather correct Im afraid... But, does it not sometimes happen that a filthy rich person gettin on a bit, would start wildly throwing their fortune around like there is no tomorrow?

Suppose he could see United as his legacy. Clearly the man has a huge ego and building a new stadium would have his name etched deeper into United's history than just buying a 25% stake. But I can't see it. He's just another cnutish multi billionaire that we've come to know and love. Not that I know any. Having said that he'll be a bigger cnut if he turns a new ground into a Disneyland...in my eyes. Which is what he wants. He doesn't get football and that's the scary part.
 
No it itsnt and Im jesting. Just cant comprehent that, if I was so rich, and old, that I would sit tight, unwilling to part with 10% of my fortune to please hundred or rather million people. Would rather built the fecking thing even as a minority owner, without Glazers putting in a penny, to show them for what they are, an absolute scum. But thats me, guess Ratcliffe would never become so rich in the first place with my naive thinking.
Rich people hate spending money. But if I had 20b I'd buy united outright and build the new stadium. Id still have, I dunno, 10b left.
 
Rich people hate spending money. But if I had 20b I'd buy united outright and build the new stadium. Id still have, I dunno, 10b left.
You would only be able to buy-out four sibblings adamant to sell all their shares. Stubborn Avram and Joel are going nowhere. Unless you pay them premium, like they were leaking at the time of (partial) sale process - 10 to 12 billion dollars for a crumbling club.

In a video call meeting, one of even both of them would gladly agree to a many of your proposals: like give feckin Brentford extra 5mil to clinch Mbeumo deal. Or go up to 40+5m for Watkins, still withing a summer budget.

On the other hand, you are dealing with a man charging the club over 5 million for his flights and jollies to United cup finals. While indipendent US airline companies claim they would do it for 800k with a couple nights in 5star hotel included.

Avram loves them trips. Actually surprised he hasnt yet started to air travel for some U15 or other underage finals United academy teams are involved in.
 
You would only be able to buy-out four sibblings adamant to sell all their shares. Stubborn Avram and Joel are going nowhere. Unless you pay them premium, like they were leaking at the time of (partial) sale process - 10 to 12 billion dollars for a crumbling club.

In a video call meeting, one of even both of them would gladly agree to a many of your proposals: like give feckin Brentford extra 5mil to clinch Mbeumo deal. Or go up to 40+5m for Watkins, still withing a summer budget.

On the other hand, you are dealing with a man charging the club over 5 million for his flights and jollies to United cup finals. While indipendent US airline companies claim they would do it for 800k with a couple nights in 5star hotel included.

Avram loves them trips. Actually surprised he hasnt yet started to air travel for some U15 or other underage finals United academy teams are involved in.
Yeah that never happened
 
You are 75-years old man sitting on 30 billions. Just tell the goverment "feck-off" and put just couple billion of your fortune into that new stadium. Just start bulding that monstrosity this autumn. Ask the Glaziers to chip-in with a billion, despite Avram gambling away most of his fortune the other sibblings, especially Joel, are very rich as their money management is good. Play the next 3 seasons at new Everton ground while the New Trafford is being built. Feck sake Jimmy, do you really want to take 30bill to your grave??
He's not though. That's his net worth, which only exists on paper and is tied to the market value of the assets he owns. He doesn't actually have that money available to spend.
 
Then sell some of your assests, like Jimmy has actually being doing. Put proceeds into Manchester.
 
This is exactly the kind of project the current Govt would want to support though. Regeneration of a significant area in the North would be a big win compared to the prior Govt's empty promises about 'levelling up.

Why? By the time it's done there's every chance they won't be in power any more, and even less chance of the current PM/cabinet being in post. Unlikely they'll support a project they won't get to directly benefit from/receive plaudits for once delivered.

Also not sure spending money on building a new stadium for Britain's biggest and most valuable sports franchise is really the economically progressive optics they're going for.
 
Why? By the time it's done there's every chance they won't be in power any more, and even less chance of the current PM/cabinet being in post. Unlikely they'll support a project they won't get to directly benefit from/receive plaudits for once delivered.

Also not sure spending money on building a new stadium for Britain's biggest and most valuable sports franchise is really the economically progressive optics they're going for.

It’s not spending money on a stadium. It’s investing in regeneration and house building and public transport. Us building a stadium just makes it more viable for all parties.

Also, most Govts do get two cracks at it. I’m not sure the Tory’s are going to be competitive next time and Reform aren’t going to win either.
 
The problem with that approach is that it won’t be enough to draw events like the NFL, or Taylor Swift/Beyonce etc away from Spurs and Wembley, which is where the real income driver is. We won’t get finals at European or international tournaments, as the Etihad will be considered the more modern stadium.

By all accounts a refurbishment and new south stand is harder than building from scratch, and just isn’t worth the type of investment that would be needed.
I made a point further up about, whilst I agree with the push to increase revenue, at what point does the arms race to drive things up more and more become a bit daft? How much more money do clubs need?

Even, a modest increase on the South Stand of 10,000 seats would bring 500k a game. If half of that is £200 hospitality packages, that's another couple of million each game. Works out an extra 30/40 million + each season. That's ignoring extra merchandise/programmes/food etc.

United, as a club, already make an insane amount of money. Whilst, granted not as much as we used to do in comparison to our rivals, it's surely enough to compete against the top. Our issue has largely been wasting money on absolute shite.

If we hadn't spent the best part of 400 million, on Sancho, Antony, Mount, Onana, Hoijlund etc etc, we'd be in a much better financial state and we'd be no worse off, on the pitch. That's ignoring all the daft contracts we've given out post 2013.

Ultimately, revenue will keep increasing. Transfer fees and wages will keep increasing at a faster pace. Third choice keepers are now earning 45k a week.

Fans will be the ones to pay the price with ticket price increases. Every element of the club will be sponsored by a dozen organisations. What's the point in any of this anymore?
 
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