Exactly. I realise he's not that cash rich. However I don't know how much cash he's got
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Then it probably doesn't make sense to comment on the feasibility of such a plan
I agree with a lot of what you’ve written, certainly about wasted money on transfers and ticket prices. When you’ve got clubs selling women’s teams to themselves to get around rules, I’m at a point where I get far more enjoyment out of other sports. I only watch United now, football in general bores the hell out of me.
The income you suggest covers the debt interest and a little bit more, it doesn’t really touch the sides. Of course we should be able to compete in the premier league as we are, but the longer the poor performances continue, the sponsors will slip and old fans won’t be replaced with new ones.
I’d much prefer to put financial limits on things, but they don’t work, so we either try and keep pace or accept that we’re going to need to be very well run to get anywhere near the likes or Barcelona and Madrid ever again.
Personally a big reason I think building new is important is because of how poorly put together Old Trafford is.
Anybody whose sat at the top of the North Stand, in one of the quadrants, the lowest seats in each tier below pitch level almost or any number of the seats with tiny amounts of leg room know that the stadium is a hodgepodge of different eras that don’t work together.
The sloping roof line traps atmosphere in each stand rather than creating a massive noise which is why you hear different chants in different stands at times.
Revenue is important of course it is but so is the experience for fans. Creating a better atmosphere. Giving the players better dressing rooms. Giving the medical staff better space.
There are just so many problems with OT they add to a massive rebuild anyway so at that point just build new.
Bearing in mind Ratcliffe is 73 years old would he have the energy to stay around if this doesn't go ahead? I'm not sure he would be altogether enamoured with plan B of renovating the current ground, if he goes at some point then I suspect the Glazers won't be too far behind him given that the debt probably needs to be refinanced in the not too distant future as well, therefore, the upside of all of this is that the owners may well decide to sell what is left of a once great club, floating in and around midtable.
Just fantasising
Regeneration of the area will take 20 years. Stratford (olympics) and North Greenwich (O2 Arena) are still going through the process.
It’s a long process, and you just need an initial commitment, and then it will snowball over the years.
Surely you would think jim would have sat down with the cnuts and asked them to pony up some cash by now? A big portion of all our problems would be solved or at least helped if they put a billion in between them. Jim's sat there going through all the things we need and can do if we got this cash input and they just say no were not putting anything in. If I was jim I'd smack all of them and sell his stake.
I just can't believe this conversation will have happened and jim didn't do anything.
I just can't believe this conversation will have happened and jim didn't do anything.
Bit of an assumption to assume that it will ‘snowball’. It frequently doesn’t.
Everything is an assumption until it’s happened. This is a project that will take decades to complete. Look at City for another example.
Everything is an assumption until it has EITHER happened or not happened; we don't know which it will be.
I was just responding to the idea that it will snowball, which I take to mean that, once started, it will be driven by, its own momentum. There's something very inevitable about that term, but in reality there's no inevitability here.
That said, I don't see what else Utd can do here- they have to try, even if the outcome isn't guaranteed. I'll be interested to see how it develops. It sounds like you have Andy Burnham on side, which is a good start.
Burnham is a massive advocate. He should be, because the benefits are clear. Let’s hope we can get the wider buy in from central government.
Fair points.
Suppose my concern is, we have a situation of constant growth and evolution just to get us to the same position.
I also remember seeing something about how elements of the new Wembley are already out of date. That was built less than 20 years ago!
I give it 6 months in the new ground before the post 2006 Arsenal messages of "we can't spend because of the new ground." or "we had to sell our promising young players because of the ground."
Suddenly, another 10,000 hospitality packages are needed to replace ordinary seats for us to compete. Then city fake another 500 million a year sponsorship deal and suddenly the Munich clock is sponsored by Hublot or Rolex. Where does this stop? Can the bubble extend indefinitely? Maybe each player is sponsored by a different organisation? Is that the next step?
Suddenly, I'm actively cheering on us going bankrupt and reforming in the 4th tier like rangers or Bordeaux. At least football would be fun. Maybe, I'll just sack the whole thing off and get a season ticket at FCUM.
Not sure what your point is? All infrastructure ages, and will require modification and improvements. There will be changes in demand and requirements, this is all normal.
This just came up on my phone. Progress?
No. It's being reported that the club is locked in a land dispute with the owners of the freight terminal and are having to look at the possibility of a compulsory purchase order.
We'll still have people who believe that they are just doing all of this just for show. The stadium is getting built, might get delayed but it is getting built.
Coe is an utter cnut of the first degree but if this depends on the right sized brown envelopes going in the right pockets then he is just the man to do it. Galls a bit that he'll make a fortune out of it all himself but if we get the new stadium then so be it.
Surely they don't seriously believe that at this point.
Good runner though
The stadium looks completely different in that drawing. No spiky towers or covered canopy?
Also everyone looks like they’re living in a painting?! What’s going on?!
Click on the link.
Probably just an artist's rendition to focus on the multi modal nature of the new facility than accurately reflecting the design. Having said that - value engineering almost always happens with these kinds of things so let's see if design wins out.
I just hope they don't scale it back and knock down old Trafford for a generic 80k seater bowl. If it's not 100k I don't want it.
These were the original concept drawings when the stadium was first proposed. The stupid tent design came later.
On that note I'm a wedding photographer and one of my previous grooms works with companies that build stadiums to assess what levels or raw materials etc are needed and the logistic needed. His company is bidding on the new ground and said from his experience the stadiums end up looking nothing like the original drawings. His opinion was that the 'web' on top of the ground is very likely to remain but he doesn't think the spires will be as parts like that are often included at the start for effect and later removed.
I told him if he could have any sway at all in the matter I'd shoot his next wedding for free.
Can't see Radcliffe's ego letting it be under 100k
It's nod to Manchester's most
Bet that went down well with the current incumbent
The new stadium is becoming the new 'Murtough is good because he's signing data analysts' excuse
They were a misleading headline about 2 weeks ago where posters just read the headline instead of actually reading the article.Surely they don't seriously believe that at this point.