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gaffs said:
Never thought of that.

And wouldn’t it take a compulsory purchase of the houses behind?

Even if the South Stand is re-developed, you still have three other stands that are now very much dated.
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Yes, I think even now the club is buying up houses on the other side of the railway when they come up for sale. Obviously it would take a long while to wait to buy up them all, so at some point compulsory purchase would become an item, that's why the local authorities have to be behind any plans.

Yes, even with the South stand revitalized, the rest of the ground needs modernizing.

Personally, I think they ought to seriously consider choosing a different site altogether. The problem with the main site is that it is bounded by a railway on one side and a canal on the other and the ground is effectively 'wedged' in between. This affects not only the ground and its potential for improved facilities itself, but causes access and egress 'bottlenecks' over the respective bridges, where the one over the canal is both vehicular and pedestrian and can, when mass egress is required after games finish, be fairly hazardous to motorist and pedestrian.

Moving to another site is not popular with most fans, but the updates/modernization of facilities/ comfort features, etc. would be easier to make, probably lest costly if planned from new rather than making alterations to structures originally sited and designed over a 100 years ago, with its updating in all main stands (except South Stand) etc. undertaken some 30-50 years (1970 &1980's) ago.

Wherever United play their home games, will always be ' The theatre of dreams'.
 
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Can't get behind moving site and don't want a new ground at all really. Absolutely love Old Trafford, there is no place like it. Train line is the biggest issue in all of it for south stand really, but I would rather they redo old Trafford bit by bit than move.

To me that space in the universe is where the Busby babes played, where I saw cantona make his debut, Rooney scored that overhead kick and where our greatest teams have played their home games.

You can move it 50 yards or a mile and it's not the same. It'd be a soulless husk of a money spinner for some fecking yanks who couldn't give less of a feck about the club filled with tourists.

I did the questionnaire about the new ground and it was all about how much money I'm prepared to pay on a match day. Vile stuff really.
 
pacifictheme said:
I did the questionnaire about the new ground and it was all about how much money I'm prepared to pay on a match day. Vile stuff really.
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Indeed, did you go for the £8,000 new idea of a 'STADIUM' Ticket? Just what was that all about?
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It's already incredibly easy to get tickets for 95% of matches. Even yesterday was relatively straightforward. This has been the case probably since 2010.

The bit of bold is fair but the new stadium will push us more towards even more of a corporate model and will see less cheaper tickets.
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Is it? Outside of hospitality packages you don’t see the regular ticket price available for many games and that’s with us being awful. Imagine the demand if we get good again.

Is it just buying tickets on match day outside the ground that’s easy?
 
pacifictheme said:
Can't get behind moving site and don't want a new ground at all really. Absolutely love Old Trafford, there is no place like it. Train line is the biggest issue in all of it for south stand really, but I would rather they redo old Trafford bit by bit than move.

To me that space in the universe is where the Busby babes played, where I saw cantona make his debut, Rooney scored that overhead kick and where our greatest teams have played their home games.

You can move it 50 yards or a mile and it's not the same. It'd be a soulless husk of a money spinner for some fecking yanks who couldn't give less of a feck about the club filled with tourists.

I did the questionnaire about the new ground and it was all about how much money I'm prepared to pay on a match day. Vile stuff really.
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We all have memories of the ground but the stadium is awkward and weird in many ways.

The pitch is too high for the lowest rows of seats, the seat depth is too tight (I literally can’t sit in the North Stand as the leg room is so tight), the quadrants have always looked terrible, the roof slopes down too much and traps atmosphere in pockets rather than reverberating around the ground.

Maybe you could fix some of it but it would all come at such a high cost that it just makes sense to rebuild. We can future proof faculties and build a ground for the next 100 years.
 
sparx99 said:
We all have memories of the ground but the stadium is awkward and weird in many ways.

The pitch is too high for the lowest rows of seats, the seat depth is too tight (I literally can’t sit in the North Stand as the leg room is so tight), the quadrants have always looked terrible, the roof slopes down too much and traps atmosphere in pockets rather than reverberating around the ground.

Maybe you could fix some of it but it would all come at such a high cost that it just makes sense to rebuild. We can future proof faculties and build a ground for the next 100 years.
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I am 6 5 and sat in the north stand earlier this season and it's not perfect but it's fine really.

The new stadium will be worse in almost every way that should matter to actual fans. It'll be great for corporate fans and rich tourists. It'll be great for the glazers and ratty. That's it.
 
pacifictheme said:
I am 6 5 and sat in the north stand earlier this season and it's not perfect but it's fine really.

The new stadium will be worse in almost every way that should matter to actual fans. It'll be great for corporate fans and rich tourists. It'll be great for the glazers and ratty. That's it.
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I'm the same height and had to switch to an aisle seat and sit away from my family.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It's already incredibly easy to get tickets for 95% of matches. Even yesterday was relatively straightforward. This has been the case probably since 2010.

The bit of bold is fair but the new stadium will push us more towards even more of a corporate model and will see less cheaper tickets.
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Only if you want to pay astronomical prices. I've been looking as a member for two tickets together that are priced normally for most home games this season and they rarely come up in my experience. Managed it three times.

Just had a look and the cheapest ticket currently available for palace at home is 269 quid. Who the feck is paying that!
 
pacifictheme said:
Only if you want to pay astronomical prices. I've been looking as a member for two tickets together that are priced normally for most home games this season and they rarely come up in my experience. Managed it three times.

Just had a look and the cheapest ticket currently available for palace at home is 269 quid. Who the feck is paying that!
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Ask on here and I'll guarantee that you will get tickets assuming you have a membership.

The website will get updated in a couple of weeks with more "ordinary" tickets.

I'd generally agree that the club's ticketing policy is shite. My issue is that a new stadium is making this any easier. And again, if anything, the push towards a more corporate model around hospitality tickets will become more severe and a lot quicker.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Ask on here and I'll guarantee that you will get tickets assuming you have a membership.

The website will get updated in a couple of weeks with more "ordinary" tickets.

I'd generally agree that the club's ticketing policy is shite. My issue is that a new stadium is making this any easier. And again, if anything, the push towards a more corporate model around hospitality tickets will become more severe and a lot quicker.
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Ask on the ticketing thread? Really? Will give it a go thanks. Son has just got into supporting the team and have never found it harder than this season getting tickets. Used to get them through the Scandinavian supporters club but they can't do it anymore.
 
pascell said:
More than likely a stadium season ticket, so any other events held at the stadium, you get enter under your season ticket.

Could be wrong but its a thing in the US.
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Is the idea you're meant to sell them yourself then? There's only a small handful of bands I'd wanna see live for example and I expect most people are the same and don't wanna go to random concerts
 
Red_Manc_M15 said:
What type of fan has a spare 8k for potential concerts and events. Madness
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The ones that Ratcliffe and the Glazers want in the ground.

They don't want the vast majority of the lads and lasses that got the old place rocking on Saturday going every week.
pacifictheme said:
Ask on the ticketing thread? Really? Will give it a go thanks. Son has just got into supporting the team and have never found it harder than this season getting tickets. Used to get them through the Scandinavian supporters club but they can't do it anymore.
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Yeah. You'll probably get them cheaper than through the club aswell.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
This stadium build won’t be happening now.
Big Jim and Ineos are taking hard losses
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Saw a sky news report about ineos plants in the UK that make current Old Trafford look mint. The ineos spokesperson argued they need taxpayer money to bring it up to scratch because ineos can't invest in every single place that currently needs investing.

Unless it's big Jim's private money I can't see a case for it either (certainly don't see the glazers spending unless forced).
 
pascell said:
More than likely a stadium season ticket, so any other events held at the stadium, you get enter under your season ticket.

Could be wrong but its a thing in the US.
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I must have misunderstood, I thought the STADIUM ticket guaranteed you a seat at any and all events held within a year, but the impression was that you still had to pay the entry price each time, and it was only 1 ticket, so you would be likely having to go alone??

As an aside; I went through the mock up price assessment it offered and each time I said no I wouldn't pay that price, it returned with a lower price offer, so it went from £8k, to £4k, to £2k... then it asked what I would pay?

When I said £0k, it switched off.... sure I heard something or someone blowing a 'raspberry' somewhere :lol:.

I agree with many on the Caf, that in future* tickets will go to the highest bidder (probably via ticket-master) on a match per match basis and the concept of a season ticket for football matches only, will disappear and this STADIUM ticket idea will be the norm.

*It wont happen immediately, but when my grandson is taking his son/daughter, it will be a whole different 'ball game' -excuse the pun!
 
Maticmaker said:
I must have misunderstood, I thought the STADIUM ticket guaranteed you a seat at any and all events held within a year, but the impression was that you still had to pay the entry price each time, and it was only 1 ticket, so you would be likely having to go alone??

As an aside; I went through the mock up price assessment it offered and each time I said no I wouldn't pay that price, it returned with a lower price offer, so it went from £8k, to £4k, to £2k... then it asked what I would pay?

When I said £0k, it switched off.... sure I heard something or someone blowing a 'raspberry' somewhere :lol:.

I agree with many on the Caf, that in future* tickets will go to the highest bidder (probably via ticket-master) on a match per match basis and the concept of a season ticket for football matches only, will disappear and this STADIUM ticket idea will be the norm.

*It wont happen immediately, but when my grandson is taking his son/daughter, it will be a whole different 'ball game' -excuse the pun!
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Is there currently a seat license for season ticket holders? In American football a seat license is sold which affords you a yearly option to buy season tickets. It’s a one time charge and not cheap depending on the location. It is only relevant to the teams games and has no bearing on outside events I believe.
 
kerrygold said:
Is there currently a seat license for season ticket holders? In American football a seat license is sold which affords you a yearly option to buy season tickets. It’s a one time charge and not cheap depending on the location. It is only relevant to the teams games and has no bearing on outside events I believe.
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Maticmaker said:
I must have misunderstood, I thought the STADIUM ticket guaranteed you a seat at any and all events held within a year, but the impression was that you still had to pay the entry price each time, and it was only 1 ticket, so you would be likely having to go alone??

As an aside; I went through the mock up price assessment it offered and each time I said no I wouldn't pay that price, it returned with a lower price offer, so it went from £8k, to £4k, to £2k... then it asked what I would pay?

When I said £0k, it switched off.... sure I heard something or someone blowing a 'raspberry' somewhere :lol:.

I agree with many on the Caf, that in future* tickets will go to the highest bidder (probably via ticket-master) on a match per match basis and the concept of a season ticket for football matches only, will disappear and this STADIUM ticket idea will be the norm.

*It wont happen immediately, but when my grandson is taking his son/daughter, it will be a whole different 'ball game' -excuse the pun!
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I'm sorry but this is all a load of shite. Our matchgoing fans need to push back on any ideas close to these.

Some fans will actively cheer this nonsense on because it might give us a bit more money to spend on another player. I just find that incredibly depressing.

Look at the scenes on Saturday. Look at the limbs after each goal. Why on earth do we want to get rid of that?
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Nothing from the club's various ownership structures since the 90s gives me confidence that they will look after current matchgoing fans if we move. We'll start seeing £100 tickets and it will kill the atmosphere.

You could do a hell of a lot with say 500 - 750 million (or even potentially more) in upgrades on the current OT. Find a way of building on the South Stand. Fix the leaks. Put some proper bars in and around the current fafacility. You could easily have a 85,000 - 90,000 capacity without this upheaval.

As for funding, isn't that linked to wider regeneration anyway. It wouldn't matter if we were building a new ground or expanding the other one as long as the regeneration takes place.
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I thought it was quoted as more like £1B to do a full refurb, including south stand. But even so..

You are talking of spending 25% of the cost of a new stadium just to bring the current one up to, or close to, todays standards. In a lot of cases, you wouldn't be able to make any improvements or fix the fundamental problems which keeps Old Trafford from being outdated. In 10 years time, or less, we would be back here again.
 
kerrygold said:
Is there currently a seat license for season ticket holders? In American football a seat license is sold which affords you a yearly option to buy season tickets. It’s a one time charge and not cheap depending on the location. It is only relevant to the teams games and has no bearing on outside events I believe.
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I think this is what is what maybe intended in the future, certainly it would apply in the new stadium (if we ever get one!)

Currently if you already hold a season ticket you get the option to retain it the following year, providing you have observed the rules, e.g attend so many home games personally or returned your ticket for resale or passed on to another recognised United member; at the moment I think the qualifying requirement has gone up to 17 out of 19 PL home games, the Cup (domestic or European) games don't count and you can opt out of most cup competitions.

There is no standing charge (as such) for the season ticket option, just the face value of the seat(s) you hold, but of course you most hold membership of the club (don't know what current membership price is, used to be £25 ) to even qualify for being on the 'sacred 'season ticket holder listings.

I believe the season ticket listing has now been closed. At one time you were effectively waiting for 'dead-men's shoes'. I once made the mistake of returning my League match ticket books, after my father died. It took me six years on the waiting list to get season tickets for me and some family members.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but this is all a load of shite. Our matchgoing fans need to push back on any ideas close to these.

Some fans will actively cheer this nonsense on because it might give us a bit more money to spend on another player. I just find that incredibly depressing.

Look at the scenes on Saturday. Look at the limbs after each goal. Why on earth do we want to get rid of that?
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Agree. Absolute crap. ST holders should not have to buy a license for seasons tickets they already own.
 
gaffs said:
Agree. Absolute crap. ST holders should not have to buy a license for seasons tickets they already own.
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DuruttiColumn said:
They don’t have to and they won’t have to.
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Sorry guys, but there is a degree of innocence in what you say. United tickets, season and otherwise are like gold dust, even when the teams struggling. We are becoming more like lambs to the slaughter, every season.

We are already moving towards a more costly day out when watching United live; the Glazer's knew it when they took over, so does Sir Jim, the packages they currently offer are in the main to folks with plenty of money or 'Football tourists', who are willing for fork out almost what it costs for the whole season just for one game, a meal, at night at hotel, a tour of OT, meet the legends, then a comfortable seat with a good view in a private box.
Once that model is established and shows a healthy return, they will come for the rest of us, wring as much as they can, before we throw in our season ticket rights willing.... or simply because we no longer can afford a seat in 'the theatre of dreams' Only by then it will be the theatre of.... "if you have to ask the price you cannot afford it."
 
DuruttiColumn said:
That’s called ”magical thinking”
They have tried for years, it’s not feasible, it isn’t happening. No knocking on wood, rubbing rabbits feet or beating City 2-0 will change reality.
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Have they tried it for years though? Since 2006, there has been zero attempt at extending the capacity. Again, the new ground is just another excuse to kill our support.

We may aswell just give up if these changes come through.
Let's build a 100,000 stadium and charge £100 per game, get rid of season tickets and fill the ground with sponsors and corporates.
Let's build a stand entirely for influencers and YouTubers.
Let's just kill any romantic idea that working class people should be able to attend more than one match a season.
 
Maticmaker said:
Sorry guys, but there is a degree of innocence in what you say. United tickets, season and otherwise are like gold dust, even when the teams struggling. We are becoming more like lambs to the slaughter, every season.

We are already moving towards a more costly day out when watching United live; the Glazer's knew it when they took over, so does Sir Jim, the packages they currently offer are in the main to folks with plenty of money or 'Football tourists', who are willing for fork out almost what it costs for the whole season just for one game, a meal, at night at hotel, a tour of OT, meet the legends, then a comfortable seat with a good view in a private box.
Once that model is established and shows a healthy return, they will come for the rest of us, wring as much as they can, before we throw in our season ticket rights willing.... or simply because we no longer can afford a seat in 'the theatre of dreams' Only by then it will be the theatre of.... "if you have to ask the price you cannot afford it."
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Let's just not sit there and accept it as they make it worse though, with or without a new ground.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Let's just not sit there and accept it as they make it worse though, with or without a new ground.
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We have one and one only card to play, hang on as long as possible and comply with all the rules on attendance, etc. don't give them enough excuses to reign in our season tickets and hope that we personally avoid the cull.

Don't forget the 'bean counters' will only reduce the season ticket (allocation) and hence the income that is guaranteed up front, when they can be sure of it being at least balanced (or preferably improved) by the speculative sales of 'special packages', re-sales etc. during the actual season. At some point a 'critical mass' in terms of secured season ticket income v speculative in season sales/income will occur.

Sadly as much as we would like to believe 'mass action' will achieve something, the reality of the appeal/drawing power of the club is immense. It is a 'cash cow' which is why the Glazers got involved, they will not let go, until their accountants tell them the current 'cash cow' model is heading for the 'Travellers' yard.

Then the Glazers may sell but when they do it will be on their terms and is not a guaranteed reprieve for the mass of true supporters, especially if the Cash-cows udders are now running dry.

The new stadium idea is great one, but its unlikely to be delivered unless the owners can find new and innovative methods of securing both existing income streams and developing new income streams that will last for the next half a century.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but this is all a load of shite. Our matchgoing fans need to push back on any ideas close to these.

Some fans will actively cheer this nonsense on because it might give us a bit more money to spend on another player. I just find that incredibly depressing.

Look at the scenes on Saturday. Look at the limbs after each goal. Why on earth do we want to get rid of that?
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Agreed 100 percent. It’s just a scammy way of getting that extra out of season ticket holders. I never understood why people would pay it either.
 
spwd said:
Down to $16b dollars :o in 2025 according to forbes.
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/ 134th
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Probably less now because this was before any of the new ineos debt problems that have come out. Looks like he's lost half his wealth to me!
Syphon Wallet said:
This stadium build won’t be happening now.
Big Jim and Ineos are taking hard losses
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Abizzz said:
Saw a sky news report about ineos plants in the UK that make current Old Trafford look mint. The ineos spokesperson argued they need taxpayer money to bring it up to scratch because ineos can't invest in every single place that currently needs investing.

Unless it's big Jim's private money I can't see a case for it either (certainly don't see the glazers spending unless forced).
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Can't see any way we can afford it unless someone comes in and clears the existing debt.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Have they tried it for years though? Since 2006, there has been zero attempt at extending the capacity. Again, the new ground is just another excuse to kill our support.

We may aswell just give up if these changes come through.
Let's build a 100,000 stadium and charge £100 per game, get rid of season tickets and fill the ground with sponsors and corporates.
Let's build a stand entirely for influencers and YouTubers.
Let's just kill any romantic idea that working class people should be able to attend more than one match a season.
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KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Have they tried it for years though? Since 2006, there has been zero attempt at extending the capacity.
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how do you know that? How do you know what feasibility studies have been conducted and what negotiations there have been with the rail company / home owners?
 
DuruttiColumn said:
how do you know that? How do you know what feasibility studies have been conducted and what negotiations there have been with the rail company / home owners?
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As always with United there lots of conjecture about what is going on, a lot of it generated via the press, and reputed 'leaks' from within the club.

However in the past there have been solid points of information, in the late 1970's, 1980's and early 00's within various local authority reports and Police statements relating to possible developments, and of course statements from the club.E.G.
I can remember ( admittedly vaguely) reports even in the 1960''s that the railway land could not be sold at that time because of government restrictions ( later these were apparently relaxed). Police reports contained references about traffic problems in and around the ground on match days, these would intensify if the ground had any significant increases in capacity, etc.
Applications for planning permission, were submitted by the club via its architects and prospective developers, usual because these did not require public money, the details provided to support these applications, was limited to that required by law.

Of course because it is "the theatre of dreams", rumour etc has always surrounded such matters. Until the recent concept of a new stadium ( circus tent vision) was released I cannot recall public insight being granted to actual plans.
You are right to be sceptical of what is actually happening, but there is evidence available to suggest the rumours in some areas are basically true.
 
BristolRuss said:
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=club_news
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Manchester United today welcomed the official launch of the Old Trafford Regeneration Mayoral Development Corporation (OTR MDC) – a major milestone in the journey towards a new world-class home for the club and a vibrant district around Old Trafford.

The OTR MDC will be the driving force behind the transformation of the 370-acre Old Trafford area, supporting the delivery of more than 15,000 new homes and 90,000 jobs, improved public spaces, and significant infrastructure benefits for supporters, residents and visitors.

Crucially, it also supports the ambition for a new 100,000 capacity stadium for Manchester United, which will set a new benchmark for fan experience and atmosphere.

The developments are expected to add over £7 billion per year to the UK economy.
 
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Manchester United today welcomed the official launch of the Old Trafford Regeneration Mayoral Development Corporation (OTR MDC) – a major milestone in the journey towards a new world-class home for the club and a vibrant district around Old Trafford.

The OTR MDC will be the driving force behind the transformation of the 370-acre Old Trafford area, supporting the delivery of more than 15,000 new homes and 90,000 jobs, improved public spaces, and significant infrastructure benefits for supporters, residents and visitors.

Crucially, it also supports the ambition for a new 100,000 capacity stadium for Manchester United, which will set a new benchmark for fan experience and atmosphere.

The developments are expected to add over £7 billion per year to the UK economy.
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Everyone knows my feelings on the ground but this line in bold really annoys me.

The club talking about fan experience and atmosphere when they've spent the best part of the last 30 years trying to actively destroy that. It's only going to get worse with a new ground.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Everyone knows my feelings on the ground but this line in bold really annoys me.

The club talking about fan experience and atmosphere when they've spent the best part of the last 30 years trying to actively destroy that. It's only going to get worse with a new ground.
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Whilst you are correct to an extent. It’s clearly Ineos who are driving this, the Glazers couldn’t care less about a new ground or fans, or what they think - in the past, present and future.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Everyone knows my feelings on the ground but this line in bold really annoys me.

The club talking about fan experience and atmosphere when they've spent the best part of the last 30 years trying to actively destroy that. It's only going to get worse with a new ground.
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Disagree with this in part.

There’s been plenty of positive moves in recent years to improve the atmosphere at Old Trafford and it’s arguably improved significantly despite the performances.

Taking the recent price hikes away as a separate matter of course.
 
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