remember for the superleage they called us 'legacy fans', and wanted us gone
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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The fan experience will likely die with the new stadium but the consumer experience will surely flourish. Yay for progress.
Don't understand the view that the experience is going to be worse after getting a new stadium. Other clubs manage just fine when they get a new one. And it has to be done eventually anyway. If after fixing all the stuff that needs fixing and improving the amenities it's not a better experience, something has gone really wrong.
The thing is, the experience is fine for those that can afford it.
I know Evertonians that already miss Goodison and have noticed their matchday is already a lot more expensive.
Spurs fans are paying well over a grand per season to watch their team now. Same with Arsenal.
Why does progress always mean working class people being priced out.
Tbf, you raise a fair point but those within groups like TRA are the ones that have improved the atmosphere. The insane effort they've put in deserves credit and the club eventually provided them with a platform.
I think regarding ticket prices, they'll probably stay about the same for members. I already pay £60-£80 for my ticket (plus half for my kid). I don't think it's massively unreasonable for somebody like myself who goes a few times per season but its definitely right on the limit of what I'm willing to spend.
If they tried bumping it to say £100 per seat I just wouldn't go full stop and I think they would struggle to even 3 quarters fill the stadium for a lot of games in that case. The big concern is if they reduced the proposed capacity and go down the American stadium route of less seats but a more expensive, more premium service for say 70k fans. That really would be a disaster.
If they tried bumping it to say £100 per seat I just wouldn't go full stop and I think they would struggle to even 3 quarters fill the stadium for a lot of games in that case. The big concern is if they reduced the proposed capacity and go down the American stadium route of less seats but a more expensive, more premium service for say 70k fans. That really would be a disaster.
At the end of the day it might help the queues for getting a drink or taking a piss. That's a positive
Can we just redo the current stadium a bit and save a packet?
Couldn't care less about 'the wembley of the north'
Couldn't care less about 'the wembley of the north'
I agree. It is possible to keep/improve the atmosphere whilst also making it easier to go for a piss or get a drink.
Again. The issue is that the stadium could be the most acoustic friendly ground in the world with the best facilities but if they hike prices up, it's gonna outprice the fans who create the atmosphere.
They are outrageous as they are now but the new ground is gonna come with a further increase. It's happened with basically every other new modern ground and it will happen here.
Literally every single decision the club has made post 2005 has come at the expense of "ordinary" matchgoing fans. I've no idea why people think a new stadium thats gonna cost several billions to build is gonna be any different. If you think getting tickets will be easier, just wait until Category A+++ deluxe tickets become the norm costing £150 and you're only hope of attending a match is a League Cup 3rd Round match against Derby that the club can't sell more than 70,000 tickets for.
Conversely it’s possible to make it easier to get a drink quicker in the current ground, no?
I’ve more or less given up on grabbing a pint at half time now, but I’m hoping the self serve trial was a success and is rolled out across the ground.
Going for a piss is fairly easy when you realise most people holding the queue up are waiting to either smoke or do drugs in the cubicles.
I get the point about ticket prices.
But is a full capacity likely if INEOS hike the prices? Who will be able to attend at unaffordable prices?
But you're right: new ground = ticket price increase.
Come on, we're talking about Old Trafford here not Anfield.
I get why the club care about the revenue involved, but I'm a little surprised so many people care about getting a pint at half time. When I go to the match, I typically don't spend a penny inside the ground, and of course tastes differ but is food/drink that important to the football watching experience? You can always drink before and after the match, right?
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It's hard to say. I do think we're at a point where another price increase will result in noticeable empty seats across the ground. Even people with a reasonable amount of disposable income will start questioning whether they can pay £80+, especially if we're back in the Champions League and potentially playing between 25 and 30 home matches per season (if we have at least one good domestic cup run.)
As I've said for months, the new ground is as much about replacing the current "customers" with ones that spend more money on matchday. It's gentrification. I completely understand from a business perspective why they're doing it, but as a fan, it feels like final betrayal. The ones that have turned up watching mostly absolute shite over the last 12 years whilst having to jump through an ever increasing amount of hoops will be disposed of and replaced by tourists.
We'll see "where has the atmosphere gone" posts on here in 10 years and everyone will argue about what needs to be done but it will all be far too late by then.
Sir jim wanted to charge us Fulham prices last year, in an ageing OT
NFL match experience innit. They've got the data and what not to see if it works from a financial perspective...however they should be concentrating on getting local kids in. I guess it's a different game these days but links to the local community should be important.
After the recent Deloitte money list and United dropping so significantly to 8th they have to move quickly, if this project actually starts this summer as it was suppose to then selling 22-24 year old elite players on being able to be part of a squad that starts playing in 2030/31 season will be huge draw.
Maybe players like Cole Palmer, Morgan Rogers and others might be massively attracted to that as a project especially if they are both still United fans.
This. But tbf, I have absolutely zero desire to go to a game so I'm being very selfish.
Is there any news on when they will break ground and actually start building work?
I think financing etc is not clear yet and detailed planning neither. Will take another year or two at least I assume
I think the plans will become clearer once they've got a deal with the freight company over the land they need to build the ground on. Once that is sorted things will move quickly. I wouldn't be shocked if the finiancing plans haven't been taking place behind the scenes whilst they get the land issues solved.
That new picture they released looks like my idea of hell. This is what the execs think we want 
Ive got about 10 more years of attending football then.
Ive got about 10 more years of attending football then.
Sick of hearing about this stadium, pr spin. Secure the money, site and build it or fck up Glineos. This is what it will be like blah blah... When and how? Not based in reality at all.
This is spot on!..... the future is definitely for 'super league football tourists'.... attractions (likely to) include:
VISIT 'THE THEATRE OF DREAMS' FOR A DAY
Come a visit us for a day (inclusive costs, seats/box in all areas of the ground)
AM
Tour of the ground
Meet the 'legends', drinks in the directors bar
Pitch side visit (note: this will not allow entry on to pitch itself)
PM(afternoon)
First class match viewing for 4 (individual seats, or in box)
Half time refreshments (served in box or the concourse)
Full time/after match re-runs of the action (in video room served with drinks(*)
(*) not inclusive in costs
PM (evening)
3-course meal for 4 in Executive Restaurant (all inclusive)
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All inclusive charge £5,000 per day/visit
* additionals
Private enclosed parking (£30 per vehicle) or Uber pick up (cost depends on journey)
Overnight stay in 'Hotel Football' (pre or post match) B&B £200 per person
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Based on present ground capacity the club would have initially to persuade ,or if necessary 'cull', around 20,000 current season ticket holders (5000 in each) of the North/South/East and West stands, to be able to launch this type of scheme for every home league game.
Obviously this approach is filled with pitfalls for the club as well as fans and maybe some way off, but most certainly it would be likely to apply to the new Ground from the off.
However, you are right it is the coming of the super league era... sooner or later....all the signs are there now.
(NB The figures used are 'best guess')
If only it was so simple....you do realise these things take a lot of time...Spurs took nearly TWENTY years planning their stadium...
Not sure what PR INEOs or Glazers are supposed to be getting from this though??
It wouldn't save a packet
There's no point in adding a lick of paint when the legroom, viewing angles, acoustics, toilets, food, concourses, etc all need doing.
You'd be knocking down and building anyway so might as well move away from the railway lines.
Surely no way this will be sorted by 2030 as originally stated?
Particularly the acoustics, if you've had to get seats all round the ground there are times when you know from experience and the state of play that other stands will be creating noise, and yet you can barely hear them. Sit in tier 3 and you can't even see any other seats, the pitch yes, but not the stands.
The legroom thing puzzles me somewhat, wouldn't more legroom mean fewer seats, if the same size stand? I suppose the answer to that would be two-tier pricing, pay more for areas with fewer seats, but I'm afraid that will set off the 'you will have to be a millionaire to attend' crowd again. Hopefully more safe standing will solve that one.
Pretty sure that was only ever stated as a best case scenario, which was never likely.
Well this is the thing. I'd want more legroom for safe standing as well but regardless, they need to add some - and they can't keep the same size stand so it'll have to be rebuilt.
Either way stands will have to go and new ones built - there's no point in rebuilding stands in the same place because we'll be hamstrung by the railway line again so they'll move it elsewhere on the plot - it's a new stadium either way and not keeping the current ground.
Half and half scarf sales will go through the roof!
2035 more likely
Yeah I agree with a move, it's hardly far anyway. I wasn't meaning compare seats in a new stand with the old one, I was meaning that whatever the size of the new stands then there must be a trade-off between number of seats and legroom. I get you would give priority to legroom, that's fair enough, but personally I'd prefer more seats. You could have a bit of both of course.
Should have been built by now.
Yep. Beginning of the end for many people I think.That new picture they released looks like my idea of hell. This is what the execs think we want
Ive got about 10 more years of attending football then.
Can see myself getting a Season Ticket at FC United if this all goes through.
FC is a top experience to be fair. I grew up in that area, wish I had it as a teenager. Might get to a couple of games during the 3 week period we don’t play.
They released a new pic ?That new picture they released looks like my idea of hell. This is what the execs think we want
Ive got about 10 more years of attending football then.
Yes, but only if its a completely new stadium and on a new site, not 'wedged' in between a railway line and a canal which on the latest news(*) doesn't seem to be the preferred choice.
Attempts to upgrade the current OT stadium are possible but it would be something of a 'piecemeal nightmare' of a project, in terms of disruptions and costs. It could take 20-30 years to complete, especially if all the surrounding landscape changes and regeneration issues are included, e.g. movement of freight depot, highway and road changes, canal issues waterway rights etc. and getting permission/deals from/with many companies (including those owned by interests abroad) who currently own the surrounding land, etc.
The government is committed to making it easier to get land released for development, in particular for house building, but would this include grand 'Wembley of the North' Projects such as is being proposed for OT and would the hold ups and deals by/with 'Nimby's' be able to be defeated?
Only time will tell; purpose new build elsewhere would be quicker and cheaper, regeneration of OT and surrounding area will take long and cost more.
(*Old Trafford regeneration mayoral development corporation, just announced)
Yeah. Was a regular for a few years at Gigg Lane back at the start. Been a few games last couple of years and bumped into loads of lads I recognised from late 00s and from Red Issue/UWS etc
I've just moved to Moston aswell so it's only a 20 minute walk .
Nice! Not many people move TO Moston haha.