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What's the most recent update please?

Are we still looking at the tent with fan zone, buying the land from that freight company?

Or are we scaling the footprint back and having a more 'traditional' looking football stadium?

Don't expect us to be in until 2032 as a minimum anyway.
 
Havak said:
What's the most recent update please?

Are we still looking at the tent with fan zone, buying the land from that freight company?

Or are we scaling the footprint back and having a more 'traditional' looking football stadium?

Don't expect us to be in until 2032 as a minimum anyway.
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I don't think they're far away from breaking ground. God knows if it'll be anything like the original plans but they had a meeting about financing a couple of weeks back and then this mayoral development team pops up not long after. Feels like something is imminent.

I hope they keep the tent personally. Don't care if rival fans make circus jokes, I think it looks pretty cool.
 
Top division Football in England as a whole has already moved away from the working class fan.
It will continue to move away.
It seems inevitable given the money in the game now.
That is the direction of travel whether we like it or not.
May as well have the “best” stadium if it can be done. Given our ownership it’s fabulously unlikely we’ll stand alone, we’ll probably make some token effort with cheap seats but it won’t be meaningful.
Lower/non league football will continue to offer a traditional experience.
 
The Purley King said:
Top division Football in England as a whole has already moved away from the working class fan.
It will continue to move away.
It seems inevitable given the money in the game now.
That is the direction of travel whether we like it or not.
May as well have the “best” stadium if it can be done. Given our ownership it’s fabulously unlikely we’ll stand alone, we’ll probably make some token effort with cheap seats but it won’t be meaningful.
Lower/non league football will continue to offer a traditional experience.
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I'm sorry but I really don't understand this viewpoint.

Everyone else is getting a soulless bowl with more increased ticket prices and the almost deliberate removal of their hard-core matchgoing fans so we should just do the same?

Watch that Arsenal crowd on Sunday. Going for the league and there's barely an atmosphere. I know Old Trafford has had major problems with this but compare the Emirates on Sunday to OT against city

I will always say it's interesting that (city aside thanks to their lottery win) none of the big PL clubs that have moved stadiums in recent years haven't won that much. It took Arsenal almost two decades to challenge for the title at their new ground. Spurs and West Ham are still absolute car crashes. Everton fans are already moaning about lack of atmosphere and their increased matchday costs whilst still watching average football.

There's a reason why the only remotely comparable club to us in England has stayed in their ground of 100 years+ rather than moving.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but I really don't understand this viewpoint.

Everyone else is getting a soulless bowl with more increased ticket prices and the almost deliberate removal of their hard-core matchgoing fans so we should just do the same?

Watch that Arsenal crowd on Sunday. Going for the league and there's barely an atmosphere. I know Old Trafford has had major problems with this but compare the Emirates on Sunday to OT against city

I will always say it's interesting that (city aside thanks to their lottery win) none of the big PL clubs that have moved stadiums in recent years haven't won that much. It took Arsenal almost two decades to challenge for the title at their new ground. Spurs and West Ham are still absolute car crashes. Everton fans are already moaning about lack of atmosphere and their increased matchday costs whilst still watching average football.

There's a reason why the only remotely comparable club to us in England has stayed in their ground of 100 years+ rather than moving.
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Spurs, West Ham and Everton weren't winning much in their old stadiums.

I'd prefer to stay at OT but I don't think a stadium dictates results(unless the build sucks up the funds for transfers).
 
Marwood said:
Spurs, West Ham and Everton weren't winning much in their old stadiums.

I'd prefer to stay at OT but I don't think a stadium dictates results(unless the build sucks up the funds for transfers).
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One of the big arguments for building a new stadium was also that it would play a part in moving the club to the next level. In the case of Arsenal, it was used as a reason for them not strengthening their squad, selling best players and taking almost two decades for them to start properly challenging again. Pretty much every West Ham fan hates the London Stadium. Spurs fans now have one of (or the most?) expensive season tickets in the league and the football is considerably worse than it was a few years ago. Too soon with Everton but I'm already seeing/hearing concerns from their fans about the wider matchday experience and the lack of atmosphere

And of course, all those clubs arguably had more of a reason to move than us because their grounds were all around what 40,000. We're getting 73,000 per week despite being mostly shite. I just don't see the benefits outweighing the costs and losing a little more of a soul to make even more money (again, our annual revenue is around 600 million. How much more can we possibly need?)
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but I really don't understand this viewpoint.

Everyone else is getting a soulless bowl with more increased ticket prices and the almost deliberate removal of their hard-core matchgoing fans so we should just do the same?

Watch that Arsenal crowd on Sunday. Going for the league and there's barely an atmosphere. I know Old Trafford has had major problems with this but compare the Emirates on Sunday to OT against city

I will always say it's interesting that (city aside thanks to their lottery win) none of the big PL clubs that have moved stadiums in recent years haven't won that much. It took Arsenal almost two decades to challenge for the title at their new ground. Spurs and West Ham are still absolute car crashes. Everton fans are already moaning about lack of atmosphere and their increased matchday costs whilst still watching average football.

There's a reason why the only remotely comparable club to us in England has stayed in their ground of 100 years+ rather than moving.
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Arsenal fans are hardly the barometer for atmosphere Highbury's nickname was the Library
 
Maticmaker said:
VISIT 'THE THEATRE OF DREAMS' FOR A DAY

Come a visit us for a day (inclusive costs, seats/box in all areas of the ground)
AM
Tour of the ground
Meet the 'legends', drinks in the directors bar
Pitch side visit (note: this will not allow entry on to pitch itself)
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May I suggest

VR experience of a Fergie hairdryer in a cramped FA cup away tie locker room 1 goal down at half time
 
lean said:
May I suggest

VR experience of a Fergie hairdryer in a cramped FA cup away tie locker room 1 goal down at half time
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Just the groundsman with an actual hairdryer after blindfolding you to keep costs down
 
Saw this quote from Liniker today and it gave me some hope for our new stadium. I hope the club are serious when they talk about making atmosphere a priority.

The key to all this is keeping the Stretford End together. If that gets dispersed across the stands then it'll be a struggle to generate a good noise.

I was at the Hill Dickinson Stadium. It will take time for my former club to build a consistently loud atmosphere as the adaptation is always difficult for any club. However, I have to say, the last 30 minutes, you could feel the stadium sharpen its teeth and start to roar. In my time covering many matches, I haven’t heard a noice quite as loud as that. My head is still reverberating now. The people behind this design should take a lot of credit for the acoustics. Without doubt, as time progresses, supporters will get used to all the different faces they are sitting next too, the different surroundings, match rituals and habits and it will feel like home. When that happens, this stadium will be unbeatable for noise and even more intense than Goodison Park used to be. It will be a place a lot of opposition teams won’t like to visit. Be patient blues, it will be worth it.
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If we get a new stadium does that basically mean the Glazers & Jim are here to stay for the foreseeable future as it'll increase the revenue and the value of the club? If that's the case, I don't want it even though I'd welcome a new stadium under different owners.
 
theatreofdreams777 said:
If we get a new stadium does that basically mean the Glazers & Jim are here to stay for the foreseeable future as it'll increase the revenue and the value of the club? If that's the case, I don't want it even though I'd welcome a new stadium under different owners.
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of course it does. Sir jim gave them everything they could have dreamed of
 
Good luck to those protesting tomorrow.

I'll get involved again when someone (or anyone with The 1958 group) explains what they actually want to come next.

"Anything is better than the Glazers and Ratcliffe" isn't a good answer when the only perceived realistic alternative is some kind of nation state takeover.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Good luck to those protesting tomorrow.

I'll get involved again when someone (or anyone with The 1958 group) explains what they actually want to come next.

"Anything is better than the Glazers and Ratcliffe" isn't a good answer when the only perceived realistic alternative is some kind of nation state takeover.
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Yeah CBA with this one - no clear message at all. Think it will be a few K at best.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Good luck to those protesting tomorrow.

I'll get involved again when someone (or anyone with The 1958 group) explains what they actually want to come next.

"Anything is better than the Glazers and Ratcliffe" isn't a good answer when the only perceived realistic alternative is some kind of nation state takeover.
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Reasonable take. Bemoaning the problem without offering a realistic solution is a none starter. Some people just want a target, or an enemy. I go to the football to enjoy myself.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Good luck to those protesting tomorrow.

I'll get involved again when someone (or anyone with The 1958 group) explains what they actually want to come next.

"Anything is better than the Glazers and Ratcliffe" isn't a good answer when the only perceived realistic alternative is some kind of nation state takeover.
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Convinced they want a state-owned option but not the legitimate criticism attached.

Cake and eat it job, entitlement.

I like cake, mind.
 
Given the estimated worth of the club, a state owner is the only possible change.

Unless you want Elon.
 
matherto said:
Given the estimated worth of the club, a state owner is the only possible change.

Unless you want Elon.
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Doesn't need to be him, any of Bezos, Brin, Page, Zuckerberg & co can do it easily, or if Emperor Xi really does support United...
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
The are numerous NFL clubs worth more. Who owns them?
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American billionaires.

Don't know why only the likes of Musk, Bezos and oil states are mentioned when talking about potential buyers. Plenty of billionaires exist who could afford United, there's just very little appetite from them to buy a soccer team as a plaything to pump money into
 
matherto said:
Given the estimated worth of the club, a state owner is the only possible change.

Unless you want Elon.
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There's plenty of other scumbags circling, believe me.

clarkydaz said:
of course it does. Sir jim gave them everything they could have dreamed of
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No, not quite.

The Glazers wanted Qatar, but they cocked their bid up telegraphing consent money. Once the Glazers heard them do that, they upped their price, going as far as to pester psg's dirtbag into having a word with the regime.

Qatar backed down because the glazers wanted ten billion plus knowing they were good for it.

Ratcliffe was merely plan b and could yet be ousted if the Glazers get what they really desire.
 
mbapps said:
There's plenty of other scumbags circling, believe me.
No, not quite.

The Glazers wanted Qatar, but they cocked their bid up telegraphing consent money. Once the Glazers heard them do that, they upped their price, going as far as to pester psg's dirtbag into having a word with the regime.

Qatar backed down because the glazers wanted ten billion plus knowing they were good for it.

Ratcliffe was merely plan b and could yet be ousted if the Glazers get what they really desire.
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This is just stupid
 
Cal? said:
Doesn't need to be him, any of Bezos, Brin, Page, Zuckerberg & co can do it easily, or if Emperor Xi really does support United...
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Sounds as bad as a state! Can't win really - billionaire or state owner - chose your poison
 
clarkydaz said:
This is just stupid
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It's not, chief.

Glazers upped the price and Qatar eventually pulled out.

The stadium being turned into a translucent tent is another gamble, but I don't predict the glazers glazers have abloushed their true intent.

the stadium, or promise thereof, could be an incentive to lure the likes of qatar back to the table.
 
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mbapps said:
It's not, chief.

Glazers upped the price and Qatar eventually pulled out.

The stadium being turned into a translucent tent is another gamble, but I don't predict the glazers glazers have abloushed their true intent.

the stadium, or promise thereof, could be an incentive to lure the likes of qatar back to the table.
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what is your stonecold source for glazers wanting 10m, thats pie in the sky money. It was reported at the time they wanted a billion each and that would do it. Nobody would give them even that
 
clarkydaz said:
what is your stonecold source for glazers wanting 10m, thats pie in the sky money. It was reported at the time they wanted a billion each and that would do it. Nobody would give them even that
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I can evince the evidence, but the core point remains rock solid:

Qatar backed out as the Glazers upped the price after Qatar telegraphed their consent money (doing up the local area etc). Simply add the offered money to the local area consent coin. That's the bottom line.

Incredibly stupid stuff from the Qatari regime, but, in a roundabout way, I'm glad they failed. I've seen what sportswashing does to football fans and, well, no thanks.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but I really don't understand this viewpoint.

Everyone else is getting a soulless bowl with more increased ticket prices and the almost deliberate removal of their hard-core matchgoing fans so we should just do the same?

Watch that Arsenal crowd on Sunday. Going for the league and there's barely an atmosphere. I know Old Trafford has had major problems with this but compare the Emirates on Sunday to OT against city

I will always say it's interesting that (city aside thanks to their lottery win) none of the big PL clubs that have moved stadiums in recent years haven't won that much. It took Arsenal almost two decades to challenge for the title at their new ground. Spurs and West Ham are still absolute car crashes. Everton fans are already moaning about lack of atmosphere and their increased matchday costs whilst still watching average football.

There's a reason why the only remotely comparable club to us in England has stayed in their ground of 100 years+ rather than moving.
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The "soulless bowl" term is lazy at this point and seems to be thrown at anything at all that might be new. Yes the Emirates and to an extent Wembley fell into a 00's trend of uniform stands with a corporate middle section all around that meant a disconnect in atmosphere between regular fans in the lower and upper tiers. Those may correctly be described as soulless bowls but modern stadium architecture has moved on from that period

It's disingenuous to infer that Everton fans are complaining about lack of atmosphere. Yes there will always be a few who give out, thats natural as a significant amount of people simply hate change. However the feedback both from Everton fans and travelling fans for that stadium has been very positive in general, both in terms of atmosphere and experience. The trick is to provide significant pockets of regular match-going supporters in the same area, very steep concourses to be close to the pitch and be strategic about where you're placing the corporate sections.

Even the Spurs stadium, while being glossy and a bit London in nature, isn't soulless either. Its an impressive place and the atmosphere has been fine, with the single south stand wall being a cool feature that helps create noise. Some of their fans also hated change as is the norm. Same thing happened in Munich with their new ground in 2005 but now its generally regarded as one of europes best and despite its location out of the city, most love it

The best example worldwide of a new stadium that doesn't automatically become a "soulless bowl" is the Minnesota Vikings stadium built in 2016. The design of that is awesome, was immediately loved by fans, and because of the acoustics managed in the design and with the roof, they managed to make it the loudest ground in the NFL straight off the bat
 
olegunnar said:
The "soulless bowl" term is lazy at this point and seems to be thrown at anything at all that might be new. Yes the Emirates and to an extent Wembley fell into a 00's trend of uniform stands with a corporate middle section all around that meant a disconnect in atmosphere between regular fans in the lower and upper tiers. Those may correctly be described as soulless bowls but modern stadium architecture has moved on from that period

It's disingenuous to infer that Everton fans are complaining about lack of atmosphere. Yes there will always be a few who give out, thats natural as a significant amount of people simply hate change. However the feedback both from Everton fans and travelling fans for that stadium has been very positive in general, both in terms of atmosphere and experience. The trick is to provide significant pockets of regular match-going supporters in the same area, very steep concourses to be close to the pitch and be strategic about where you're placing the corporate sections.

Even the Spurs stadium, while being glossy and a bit London in nature, isn't soulless either. Its an impressive place and the atmosphere has been fine, with the single south stand wall being a cool feature that helps create noise. Some of their fans also hated change as is the norm. Same thing happened in Munich with their new ground in 2005 but now its generally regarded as one of europes best and despite its location out of the city, most love it

The best example worldwide of a new stadium that doesn't automatically become a "soulless bowl" is the Minnesota Vikings stadium built in 2016. The design of that is awesome, was immediately loved by fans, and because of the acoustics managed in the design and with the roof, they managed to make it the loudest ground in the NFL straight off the bat
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Bayern love their ground because tickets are still affordable.

Spurs ground looks nice but their hard-core support has been outpriced to pay for it. It's hardly bouncing every week.

Ultimately, I just don't trust anyone involved in the development of our potential new ground to build something for the traditional supporter. It will be developed for corporates and tourists and people on here will lap it up so we can spend another 150 million every summer. The last remnents of our more traditional and passionate support will disappear forever.

"It's just the way it's going" is the response from a lot of people. How fecking depressing.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Bayern love their ground because tickets are still affordable.

Spurs ground looks nice but their hard-core support has been outpriced to pay for it. It's hardly bouncing every week.

Ultimately, I just don't trust anyone involved in the development of our potential new ground to build something for the traditional supporter. It will be developed for corporates and tourists and people on here will lap it up so we can spend another 150 million every summer. The last remnents of our more traditional and passionate support will disappear forever.

"It's just the way it's going" is the response from a lot of people. How fecking depressing.
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If forums existed prior to 1910 I guarantee there’d be some with your attitude banging on about not leaving Bank Street for Old Trafford.
 
matherto said:
If forums existed prior to 1910 I guarantee there’d be some with your attitude banging on about not leaving Bank Street for Old Trafford.
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I suspect there wasn't the same attachment to East Manchester. Besides this isn't just about a new stadium for many fans.
 
matherto said:
If forums existed prior to 1910 I guarantee there’d be some with your attitude banging on about not leaving Bank Street for Old Trafford.
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Which attitude?

That I believe working class people should be able to afford to go to attend, at least, some Manchester United matches.

That 116 years + of tradition is worth persevering.

That maybe things are more important than the club increasing its already absolutely insane levels of revenue.

The Bank Street argument is also daft because we'd been in that ground for what 30 years?
 
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