New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released

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matherto said:
Given the estimated worth of the club, a state owner is the only possible change.

Unless you want Elon.
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There's apparently only around 33 people in the world with 50 or more billion dollars which I think you'll need if you're going to spend around 10 billion total so it's a very small market.
Considering Jim's worth has dropped from around £25 billion to around £15 billion in late 25 I think around 50b + is needed.
 
spwd said:
There's apparently only around 33 people in the world with 50 or more billion dollars which I think you'll need if you're going to spend around 10 billion total so it's a very small market.
Considering Jim's worth has dropped from around £25 billion to around £15 billion in late 25 I think around 50b + is needed.
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It's not happening. The club was openly for sale just two years ago - any person or entity in the entire world that wanted to make an offer for United, was free to do so. Only one proceedable buyer came forward - Ratcliffe. The market just isn't there.
 
matherto said:
If forums existed prior to 1910 I guarantee there’d be some with your attitude banging on about not leaving Bank Street for Old Trafford.
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He puts forward reasonable points that you don't address, what kind of response is this?
 
Infra-red said:
It's not happening. The club was openly for sale just two years ago - any person or entity in the entire world that wanted to make an offer for United, was free to do so. Only one proceedable buyer came forward - Ratcliffe. The market just isn't there.
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That is true, very few people proceeded beyond registering interest at the very beginning. I wonder what kind of things were said to the interested parties that enquired initially. I suspect a lot of them were also never convinced that they were actually willing sellers.
 
moodyred said:
Great! If you see someone talking to himself at the carpark all day, know it is only me.
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Just imagine, you may stand in the same spot that some currently unborn wonderkid will do great things!
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Which attitude?

That I believe working class people should be able to afford to go to attend, at least, some Manchester United matches.

That 116 years + of tradition is worth persevering.

That maybe things are more important than the club increasing its already absolutely insane levels of revenue.

The Bank Street argument is also daft because we'd been in that ground for what 30 years?
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Top-level football is not a working class sport anymore, and hasn't been for 30 years, it's now a business, and a business exists for one purpose, make money for the owners, until you accept this reality you're bever going to be happy
 
Red in STL said:
Top-level football is not a working class sport anymore, and hasn't been for 30 years, it's now a business, and a business exists for one purpose, make money for the owners, until you accept this reality you're bever going to be happy
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Football clubs are still community assets. So still have a tie to the working class / local area. This can and should co-exist with being a business.

It's not Starbucks. We can't take our custom elsewhere.

Old Trafford is still populated and accessible to thousands of local working class fans with ST's priced between £35-£50 a game. That is what people are arguing for preserving.
 
Utd heap said:
Football clubs are still community assets. So still have a tie to the working class / local area. This can and should co-exist with being a business.

It's not Starbucks. We can't take our custom elsewhere.

Old Trafford is still populated and accessible to thousands of local working class fans with ST's priced between £35-£50 a game. That is what people are arguing for preserving.
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Ties to working class maybe but not necessarily the local area e.g. how do you explain..." 85% of United fans have never been to OT"

Cannot take custom elsewhere, which is true, then the reality is you will have to pay the price ...that is co-existing with the club being a business

Have you tried getting hold of a full season ticket..... i.e. as a season ticket, and not a resale, I was told the season ticket waiting list has been closed?

All the points you make were true some 25-30 years ago, before the Premier League emerged. Now however, the Super League era is beckoning.... it has been seen off once, but next time they will be better prepared, even if the government ever does get the Independent Football Regulator up and operating effectively, after the top 20 clubs meet with the chairman and CEO of IFR next week.
 
Maticmaker said:
Ties to working class maybe but not necessarily the local area e.g. how do you explain..." 85% of United fans have never been to OT"

Cannot take custom elsewhere, which is true, then the reality is you will have to pay the price ...that is co-existing with the club being a business

Have you tried getting hold of a full season ticket..... i.e. as a season ticket, and not a resale, I was told the season ticket waiting list has been closed?

All the points you make were true some 25-30 years ago, before the Premier League emerged. Now however, the Super League era is beckoning.... it has been seen off once, but next time they will be better prepared, even if the government ever does get the Independent Football Regulator up and operating effectively, after the top 20 clubs meet with the chairman and CEO of IFR next week.
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I disagree withe the "Cannot take custom elsewhere" - you are free to take your custom to any other football club, it's a choice

I was a LMTB holder in the Stretford End for many years, when the PL era began and the prices started rising many of the people I knew and saw at games stopped going, they were mostly local working class lads (and gals) - and ultimately I was one of the ones who stopped going, and this was pre-Glazer, I was basically priced out
 
Utd heap said:
Football clubs are still community assets. So still have a tie to the working class / local area. This can and should co-exist with being a business.

It's not Starbucks. We can't take our custom elsewhere.

Old Trafford is still populated and accessible to thousands of local working class fans with ST's priced between £35-£50 a game. That is what people are arguing for preserving.
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All for preserving that too.

Im not sure why some immediately believe that a new stadium means that these "working class" fans will be priced out? Old Trafford is tapped out in terms of creating additional revenue, so the only option is increased ticket prices or schemes that take tickets away from regular fans and sell them as match day packages at increased rates.

An 100k stadium, with all the bars, restaurants, hospitality and shops that come with it, not to mention the ability to use for non football events, brings far more revenue in without having to charge more to the most loyal fans.

And how are we defining working class? There are people that are traditionally working class that do very well for themselves. Take the plumber, for example, who just did about an hours worth of work at my mums house for £300. Is he working class? If he is, he just paid for half of his season ticket in an hour!
 
Red in STL said:
I disagree withe the "Cannot take custom elsewhere" - you are free to take your custom to any other football club, it's a choice

I was a LMTB holder in the Stretford End for many years, when the PL era began and the prices started rising many of the people I knew and saw at games stopped going, they were mostly local working class lads (and gals) - and ultimately I was one of the ones who stopped going, and this was pre-Glazer, I was basically priced out
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Of course, that is true. But in reality, we know that many peoples lives revolve around going to OT. Their friendship groups, social life and in some cases, whole identity and purpose for being is supporting United and going to OT.

Clubs are able to exploit that loyalty.
 
matherto said:
If forums existed prior to 1910 I guarantee there’d be some with your attitude banging on about not leaving Bank Street for Old Trafford.
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And no doubt after playing there for 17 years Newton Heath fans had the exact same attachment to Bank Street that Manchester United fans have with Old Trafford. :confused:
 
gaffs said:
Of course, that is true. But in reality, we know that many peoples lives revolve around going to OT. Their friendship groups, social life and in some cases, whole identity and purpose for being is supporting United and going to OT.

Clubs are able to exploit that loyalty.
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Until there's regulation it's a free market (with the exception of touting). Live music is going through a similar period, involving dynamic pricing, tickets being sold with hotel packages. Effectively any way to maximise revenue.

The new ground is coming, so I'm hopeful for a further announcement to coincide with the initial announcement last March. I understand people's sentiment with OT, I've been coming since the 90s, however the powers that be want a venue that will host big concerts, other sporting events and turn united into a venue used 30 times a season to roughly 50. In the long run, I would say that's worth it.
 
gaffs said:
Of course, that is true. But in reality, we know that many peoples lives revolve around going to OT. Their friendship groups, social life and in some cases, whole identity and purpose for being is supporting United and going to OT.

Clubs are able to exploit that loyalty.
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That was kind of me back in the day TBH, I would often go to watch the Youth team at the Cliff, go to away matches when I wasn't too broke and I literally worked across the street on Warwick Road next to the Trafford Pub

When I stopped going I didn't miss it as much as I thought I would, I still went on the odd occasion a mate, who had a season ticket, couldn't go and he'd give me his ticket, none of that re-sale crap in those days!

Ironically because I now live in the US I can see every game live, which was never possible before, but I don't miss going and even on the pre-season stuff over here I wouldn't pay a dime to go and watch even though I can afford to
 
Red in STL said:
That was kind of me back in the day TBH, I would often go to watch the Youth team at the Cliff, go to away matches when I wasn't too broke and I literally worked across the street on Warwick Road next to the Trafford Pub

When I stopped going I didn't miss it as much as I thought I would, I still went on the odd occasion a mate, who had a season ticket, couldn't go and he'd give me his ticket, none of that re-sale crap in those days!

Ironically because I now live in the US I can see every game live, which was never possible before, but I don't miss going and even on the pre-season stuff over here I wouldn't pay a dime to go and watch even though I can afford to
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Im Manchester born and bread and went for many years, and like you, moved to the US. Although I was never priced out and am lucky to still have access to my ST, with enough notice, I still miss doing. Even though im not one of those people, as I described earlier, who's life and friendships revolve around United and going to OT.

With STs, there is also the fact that if you give it up, you won't get it back anytime soon.
 
gaffs said:
All for preserving that too.

Im not sure why some immediately believe that a new stadium means that these "working class" fans will be priced out? Old Trafford is tapped out in terms of creating additional revenue, so the only option is increased ticket prices or schemes that take tickets away from regular fans and sell them as match day packages at increased rates.

An 100k stadium, with all the bars, restaurants, hospitality and shops that come with it, not to mention the ability to use for non football events, brings far more revenue in without having to charge more to the most loyal fans.

And how are we defining working class? There are people that are traditionally working class that do very well for themselves. Take the plumber, for example, who just did about an hours worth of work at my mums house for £300. Is he working class? If he is, he just paid for half of his season ticket in an hour!
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How does any of the club's decision making over the last 21 years make you think that the new ground isn't going to result in more expensive tickets. Those "state of the art" facilities aren't gonna be pay for themselves. There's no precedent for us doing this in the modern era so every possible ticket will be priced at the highest possible point.

Even the extra food and drink outlets aren't gonna be cheap. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not all that arsed about paying £20 for a smash burger or some other nonsense as "street food". Especially if it means sacrificing our home of over a hundred years.

And a plumber bringing in £300 for an hours work clearly isn't "working class" anymore.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
How does any of the club's decision making over the last 21 years make you think that the new ground isn't going to result in more expensive tickets. Those "state of the art" facilities aren't gonna be pay for themselves. There's no precedent for us doing this in the modern era so every possible ticket will be priced at the highest possible point.
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What makes you think that staying at Old Trafford, with its tapped out revenue streams, gives you a better chance of your season, tickets price remaining close to what it is?

There are circa 45,000 season tickets at OT. They bring in around £2 million each match day or United’s £5mil matchday revenue.

Let’s say we have a 100k stadium and the rest of the tickets are not season tickets, and have to pay a higher price because of that. That give the club 55k tickets to price up and huge scope for additional revenue.

Spurs are licensed for 30 non-football events per year. If United are able to have 30, which obviously wouldn’t involve season ticket holders, there is potential to make £15mil an event, and that’s on the conservative side given Beyoncé was charging between £71 to £950 at Spurs.

KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Even the extra food and drink outlets aren't gonna be cheap. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not all that arsed about paying £20 for a smash burger or some other nonsense as "street food". Especially if it means sacrificing our home of over a hundred years.
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Again, how do you know the prices of anything? Maybe you’ve seen some documents that no one else has?

You must really love lining up for 15 minutes to buy a scorching hot cheese and onion pie at OT?

It might not be edible for an hour and a half, but at least it’s cheap!

KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
And a plumber bringing in £300 for an hours work clearly isn't "working class" anymore.
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Who is working in class then? Someone who is living paycheck to paycheck
 
Red in STL said:
I disagree withe the "Cannot take custom elsewhere" - you are free to take your custom to any other football club, it's a choice

I was a LMTB holder in the Stretford End for many years, when the PL era began and the prices started rising many of the people I knew and saw at games stopped going, they were mostly local working class lads (and gals) - and ultimately I was one of the ones who stopped going, and this was pre-Glazer, I was basically priced out
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Agree with @gaffs on the definition of working class being very confusing these days so im staying away from that rabbit hole any further. Its fairly clear what my jist was with the class reference.

However - I find it hard to believe you were priced out of OT in the mid 90s. It sounds to me like you grew away from it naturally - particularly with comments like we can just pick another team and moving to the US.

People deserve access to their local (or even non local for what its worth) football club at reasonable pricing. New stadiums are increasingly not catering for that - this new project scares me.

No point anymore clever or deep than that really.
 
Utd heap said:
Agree with @gaffs on the definition of working class being very confusing these days so im staying away from that rabbit hole any further. Its fairly clear what my jist was with the class reference.

However - I find it hard to believe you were priced out of OT in the mid 90s. It sounds to me like you grew away from it naturally - particularly with comments like we can just pick another team and moving to the US.

People deserve access to their local (or even non local for what its worth) football club at reasonable pricing. New stadiums are increasingly not catering for that - this new project scares me.

No point anymore clever or deep than that really.
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I got priced out of it because the cost was going up more than my wages were + the normal things in life, getting a flat/house etc, I didn't grow away from it, I had the choices of paying/not paying rent, paying the electric/not paying the electric bill and so on
 
stevoc said:
And no doubt after playing there for 17 years Newton Heath fans had the exact same attachment to Bank Street that Manchester United fans have with Old Trafford. :confused:
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“Why do we need to move. If we move to a soulless bowl and the prices go up it’ll be rubbish”

The soulless bowl in question (because it’s a new building and hasn’t had any time to develop the soul):
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If fans are being priced out (and you're young), go get a job as a plumber, or a sparky, or a plasterer, or a joiner, or a roofer. You'll be rolling in it.

If you're working a shitty desk job with a 35 hour week and a crap commute and you can't/won't change then that's sad.

Everything is expensive. My wages, along with pretty much everyone on this forum I'd imagine, have taken a 20-30% cut in the last ten years. But championing a race to the bottom isn't going to help anyone.
 
Camilo said:
If fans are being priced out (and you're young), go get a job as a plumber, or a sparky, or a plasterer, or a joiner, or a roofer. You'll be rolling in it.

If you're working a shitty desk job with a 35 hour week and a crap commute and you can't/won't change then that's sad.

Everything is expensive. My wages, along with pretty much everyone on this forum I'd imagine, have taken a 20-30% cut in the last ten years. But championing a race to the bottom isn't going to help anyone.
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No one should be priced out. Some tickets are reasonable at the moment but often whole areas are hospitality. There are some tickets at ot in the top of the north stand going for 400 quid. Can you see that getting better with a stadium move. Hopefully it doesn't get worse.

It's not even a question of having the money, it's a question of it simply not being worth it.
 
pacifictheme said:
No one should be priced out. Some tickets are reasonable at the moment but often whole areas are hospitality. There are some tickets at ot in the top of the north stand going for 400 quid. Can you see that getting better with a stadium move. Hopefully it doesn't get worse.

It's not even a question of having the money, it's a question of it simply not being worth it.
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Nailed it.
I have no issue with hospitality and united being a business.
Upselling "non premium" seats, i.e. none padded,no lounge, the other bells and whistles you expect from hospitality does two things.
1. Rips off the fan paying hospitality prices
2. One less regular ticket in the pot
 
No new stadium for me, its expensive enough as it is for match going fans, and its only going to get worse with a new stadium and knowing even more people of the global fanbase all over the world will want to attend, so the prices will reflect that

And a new stadium wont be Old Trafford, it'll be like the rest of the lifeless bowls around at the moment
 
matherto said:
“Why do we need to move. If we move to a soulless bowl and the prices go up it’ll be rubbish”

The soulless bowl in question (because it’s a new building and hasn’t had any time to develop the soul):
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What point if any are you trying to make here mate?

Are you saying people shouldn't be upset/concerned at the prospect of being priced out of watching their club play live?

And again you can't be seriously comparing the move from Bank Street (where the club only played for a fe years) to OT. With leaving the clubs iconic home of over a century to move to a new stadium.
 
stevoc said:
What point if any are you trying to make here mate?

Are you saying people shouldn't be upset/concerned at the prospect of being priced out of watching their club play live?

And again you can't be seriously comparing the move from Bank Street (where the club only played for a fe years) to OT. With leaving the clubs iconic home of over a century to move to a new stadium.
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I can, because it’s the same enemy of moving forward in any way.

There will always be some too afraid to move on and they will catastrophise everything about the thought of it.

We were at Bank Street long enough for people to get attached and I guarantee the same pattern of moaning and complaining about the thought of moving to Old Trafford happened then.
 
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