Feels quite a long way down the road to be asking this
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
Hang on, what?!
I haven't been for years, but anyone who has been there in the last 20 odd years know most of the issues with the current stadium, the seating is extremely cramped and the concourse facilities are not fit for purpose
I went loads of times in my earlier life but only once in the premier league era when I took my son for his first game there, our first defeat in the Premiership at home against Notts Forest, Dec. 1994.
Pretty much everyone in our local GM based supporters branch of 50odd wants to stay at OT. All regular matchgoers and aren't that arsed about the problems you mentioned.
But if they were, why does that mean we should knock it down and spend presumably tens of billions building a a new one. Great.
As I've said before, the ground needs work. It needs continuous investment (as a new ground would, even grounds built in the mid 2000s already have issues) it doesn't need to replaced by this proposed monstrosity that will be further used to push "ordinary" fans away from the club and be replaced by tourists and sponsors willing to spend hundreds on a "matchday experience. I know people keep saying "you don't know for certain what will happen" but I kind of do with how it's gone with every new build ij the Premier League and also being aware of the twats that run us..
We're a good 5-6 years from seeing the finished product.
Yeah, I could see them trying to move to a Ticketmaster type dynamic pricing system were you're left bidding for seats to individual games.
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It's just the idea you were the first person here to ask that. Can you begin to imagine you weren't even close to being.
If you genuinely have that curiosity, read the thread. That subject comes up approximately every third of a page.
It’s not that deep.
Very expensive for what it’d do (add several thousand seats), wouldn’t give the jump in capacity that’s needed , wouldn’t bring the additional businesses in/around it (some want, some don’t) and wouldn’t bring the social housing/area improvements
Define needed? United don't need a 100k capacity stadium especially when it's gonna cost several billions. A re developed OT with a capacity of around 80,000 would be absolutely fine.
I've also no idea when a major housing development requires Manchester United to change their stadium.
It’s all relative/opinions but i.m.o. … there are loads of fans who miss out on games and an extra 5k-6k more seats at OT would only part sort that. It would also still be an old stadium whereas a new one (built for this century) would be a huge boost for our finances, as other new grounds have shown.
I’ve no idea why either but apparently, if the new ground doesn’t happen, any redevelopment would be impacted/reduced.
I’m not fully one way or the other… can see pros and cons of both.
I’ve no idea why either but apparently, if the new ground doesn’t happen, any redevelopment would be impacted/reduced.
I’m not fully one way or the other… can see pros and cons of both.
In their feasibility study they conducted last year, it apparently concluded the foundations of the current stadium are now too old and couldn't support any significan't expansion of the south stand. It would have to be bulldozed.
Or something similar from what I can remember.
Well nothing is "needed". We can just start spending nothing on transfers, not upgrade any facilities, not bother trying to bring in more money for the club to spend, etc. But if an opportunity comes up that could pay itself off and start giving us massive amounts of money in ~10 years it seems a smart investment, vs spending the same or more on revamping OT and having to pay that off for decades because it doesn't bring in anywhere near as much.
The reasons why fans are missing out on matches is because of the club's increasing push towards hospitality packages over ordinary match tickets. That's only gonna increase in a new stadium.
I'd hazard a guess that very few of the extra 24k tickets will be for fans like us come 2031-2035.
I'd imagine it will, yeah. But also you'd have thought that they will increase numbers of all ticket types, albeit favouring those that bring in the most return on investment. In shear numbers though, there also will be more regular tickets available.
Maybe but Mitten thinks otherwise and he has some insight so we’ll see (if it happens at all).
I'd still like to see the working on most if the above. How affordable will the affordable housing be? 48,000 local jobs seems an insanely high amount aswell especially in the current job market.
And if all that is true, why do we need to spend billions on a new stadium to make that happen? Why can't wider area regeneration come with a revamped/redeveloped Old Trafford at the centre of it? Why do we need to create this soulless new stadium that will be more inaccessible due to pricing for most of the people living in the "affordable" new homes.
The guy who is next to us had his knee replaced is around 6'5 he can't sit straight in his chair there is no remedy for this in any kind of revamp of the ground
I get this is just anecdotal but at the same time I am hardly a giant and I can't sit comfortably in the chairs without my knee going into the person in fronts space, the whole thing is too small by far and again you don't resolve this by a revamp.
Again, these are all valid points. I get why fans want a shiny new stadium. I just think people should be wary of the dangers a new ground. Tickets will go up price wise far quicker than they have done in the past.
I'd rather be slightly uncomfortable at Old Trafford but still be (just about) be able to afford it then basically be only able to afford a few games a season.
They want to bring the American sporting experience to M16. It's hard to do this at OT but the new ground gives them (Ratcliffe included) free reign to do whatever the feck they want.
I get those concerns I share them myself, I am a near 20 year ST holder the prices have gone up year on year for last few years, I have gone just a over 700 to touching 900 in that space for my ticket.
If we're to move forward as a club I think a new stadium is required, this stadium isn't likely just going to be for match day revenue but a wider piece that brings more revenue into the club is required in my opinion if we are to keep pace with the financial implications of football in 2026 and beyond, we barely make any money as football team year on year you can't keep losing money and being competitive
Given the fact this is much more involved than just putting up a new stadium on land they already own, I would agree that them taking this amount is hardly surprising. Heck, even another 12 months before shovels are in the ground wouldn't surprise me. There are a lot of legalities involved in zoning, property acquisition, neighborhood meetings, etc etc when it comes to these things in most countries, and I presume the UK is no different. And that's aside from securing contractors, financing etc. on the part of the developer as well.
It's a valid point. Was speaking to a few guy's in the gym the other morning and they had done a few games in hospitality boxes in the North Stand. Basically said it was a waste of time. Because of the over hang of the roof, you cannot see half the pitch from your seats so have to duck down to see the full pitch. If we take our utd tinted glasses off if we would say its a good enough when to pay for premium seats but not premium experience if we were going to a gig, theatre, cinema etc?
Times have moved on and so have the other clubs around us who offer an improved match day experience.
As someone who now lives in Canada, seeing the complaints about season ticket prices at Old Trafford is fascinating. 900 quid is 1600 Canadian. The CHEAPEST season ticket for the Vancouver Canucks (41 games, the very, very back rows of the second tier) are 4,200 and that's the 'no alcohol' sections. I'd chop your hand off to only pay 1600 a season to see all my local team's home matches.
And id chop your Canadian hand for those prices. Red Wings season tickets *start* around $5,000, so $6,800 in your canuck play money.
Hey. To be fair, the Wings are a real team with real NHL players. Not a fair comparison at all.
Don’t know what percentage but it sure seems there will be some sort of private debt arrangement.
Fingers crossed that the longer they waffle on about vague potential investors that they will change their mind and just revamp Old Trafford.
I've totally changed my mind having visited the Bernabeu in the summer. Half the price and the historical continuity of Old Trafford is so much more appealing to me.
I've totally changed my mind having visited the Bernabeu in the summer. Half the price and the historical continuity of Old Trafford is so much more appealing to me.
Yeah I've always found the complaints over season ticket prices a bit exaggerated, especially for local fans. Try and go to any event or social outing nowadays and you're looking around £100 as a minimum outlay. 900 works out around £48 per game. That's acceptable to me for the product you get, people also complain about the hospitality tickets, but it's those high prices that keep the other tickets affordable. At the moment we're about 8-10% hospitality, if that was to increase to 20% on a 100k stadium it still adds around 10k seats for regular fans, and addresses the leg room, concourses etc
Keep in mind a season ticket only covers 18 games not 41 so it sounds like you're getting over double the number of games for your money.
Good to see the taxpayer isn't funding the eyesore
Season tickets give loyal and local fans an opportunity to support their club at a (slightly) discounted price, they also give a club a source of income before a ball is kicked each season, but lets face it Utd could do away with season tickets and sell out a 100,000 seater stadium each match and charge more for it than the proposed ticket price hike, so whilst I generally think football ticket prices and ticket prices for any event are hugely inflated and expensive, being a season ticket holder is a privilege for those who can afford it, and for those who can't there is a waiting list of people willing to replace them, and would be if Utd put the ticket prices up even further, so I think there needs to be a little balance and perspective, it would be absolutely lovely if football had not been destroyed by capitalism and families could afford to take their kids generation on generation to their local premier league club, but we have moved long past those days and they are not coming back, being a utd fan is an expensive business I know I would be a lot better off if I supported a lower league team instead we are where we are people need to face reality
The difference is 19 games vs 41 and 77,000 seater vs 18,000? seater
19? But, yeah. Absolutely. I think if you get into the nose bleeds of it all the cost per game is actually pretty similar. So, yeah. Maybe I'd only be snapping your hand off because it's fewer games.
Yes. Not a great comparison, I admit. Just me wishing I had a season ticket at Old Trafford.
Well if it happens can I have your frequent flyer miles
