The crazy thing is, and I say this as an environmental conservationist, if I could afford it... I'd do it. Of course, if I could afford to fly 8 hours to Manchester once or twice a week I'd just retire and move there.Well if it happens can I have your frequent flyer miles
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
No. I am Kayla40TS, lord of the idiots.Yeah I'm an idiot
I dunno, they should try consistently winning again for a change rather than starting seasons well and slide back into mediocrity all the while giving us false hope the Stanley Cup days are here again. Bastards.
But I digress...
Naw, you'd just have a private jet at your disposal
If I was young and had the means I'd do it from the US, not now though, I am originally from Manchester and had an LMTB in the Stretford End for many years so it's not the same for me
Yeah 100% and I definitely think they need to be protected, hence why I'd prefer to add more hospitality that can be charged at extortionate rates to help keep season ticket costs low.
With the seats around the dugout becoming hospitality thanks to this club's greed and lack of care for everyday support, I'm looking forward to the Wembleyesque gaps in attendance after half time breaks that will come with the new money spinning stadium.
Are media paid to plug this 100k Stadium?
I think that's a lot of wishful thinking, I believe they will look to make more money from it when the new stadium comes. Prices will increase quite a bit I suspect.
I’m a similar height and can’t sit in the North Stand for this very reason. The leg room is impossible and the seats aren’t wide enough either.
Then you have things like having to climb hundreds of steps to get upto the upper tiers. My dad is in his 60’s now and really struggles.
More than anything I have a huge problem with Old Trafford’s roof and not because it leaks. The piecemeal expansions have created a situation where sight lines get impacted and atmosphere stays in pockets of the ground. It’s a real shame not being able to see the rest of the ground when in an upper tier.
I spent a few years in Toronto recently and flew over for a quick family visit. Snuck in a game at OT while I was here as well!
Of course prices will go up, but without the hospitality side of things those profits would be sought from the normal working class fan.
I still expect season tickets to stay semi reasonable for a lot of fans.
At some point logic has to out way emotion.
It would be financially irresponsible to spend what it would take to refurb the current site.
It would be financially irresponsible to spend what it would take to refurb the current site.
What does moving forward mean though?United are in the shit financially because of the Glazers and some incredibly insane transfers that have cost the club hundreds of millions of pounds. Not because the club's revenue is too low.
The entire sport is on some ridiculous quest for never-ending growing and it's killing it. If we can't make it work with an average crowd of 73,000 paying an average price of £50 with millions of fans buying merchandise across the world, something has gone very very wrong and perhaps it's time for a rethink both inside Old Trafford and across the whole sport.
As I've said before, there is potentially more sinister going on with the new ground.
The club hates the fact we have so many season ticket holders and would happily replace them with tens of thousands of day trippers who spend hundreds more on hospitality packages.
It's more difficult to do this at OT and the new ground gives them a big excuse to essentially gentrify the club's support.
This stadium will represent the end of what remains of our more traditional/hardcore support.
On a wider point, I do think one club in the Premier League is a great example of how "moving with the times" can lead to near disaster.
Maybe not what the poster meant but 'moving forward' can mean lots of things with regards to a new stadium. For one thing; we can improve a lot of the facilities for players, staff and other footballing things as well as fans.
Look at how the players responded to the revamped areas at Carrington. New larger dressing rooms, better physio spaces, better player family spaces all feed on field performance in small ways and attract players too.
Then you have things like the slope at the OT pitch which is less than ideal for players taking corners or making challenges. It also means fans in lower tiers have an awful view.
Not one club who have built a bigger ground have done it with the aim to remove season ticket holders. Clubs plan and rely on regular revenue. The most secure revenue is the 55,000 tickets they sell to 19 home games before a ball is kicked. Without those sales imagine how many empty seats there would have been at times over the last few years.
It makes far more sense to sell a further 10,000 season tickets and add hospitality and a 10-15k day tripper tickets. Trying to find 85-100k day trippers every week, plus cup games would be very ambitious not least because games also get moved all the time. You need a reliable local season ticket base.
There's increasing evidence that the club would rather reduce the number of season ticket holders and replace them with hospitality packages. This has already with people in the South Stand. It will only increase with the new ground. city are no longer selling season tickets in several areas of their ground. I'm not sure we'll be far behind that but again, I think, unlike them, our current setup prevents too much of that.
My point re moving forward though is this. Lets say we get this new ground and we make an extra 150 million in revenue a season. If you take wages into account, that's probably the cost of signing of one world class midfielder.
If all the other big European sides carry on increasing their revenue, they also have that money to spend so price for that midfielder goes up to 200 million+. We're outbid for that player and in 5 years, fans in the "new Stretford End" are replaced with execs paying £500 to experience the "unique atmosphere of the heart of Manchester United" but it's all done in the progress and "moving forward". More "legacy fans" disappear as the club's proclaim "football without fans is nothing."
One of Berrada’s parting gifts to city was to stop renewing any STs that weren’t renewed.
I can almost guarantee that it will happen with United BUT the huge difference is that we could be increasing our attendances by 20k so we could just add those as the number for additional exec tickets without affecting ST numbers
I can almost guarantee that it will happen with United BUT the huge difference is that we could be increasing our attendances by 20k so we could just add those as the number for additional exec tickets without affecting ST numbers
It's not just about signing players. It's about giving them the best environment to perform once they do sign. Nice dressing rooms, facilities and looking after their families can contribute to those 'marginal gains'.
What I meant is competing at the top level you either keep up or be left behind be that financially or at a sporting level you need to move forwards.
I agree the entire sport is ridiculous but football has been about money and who has the most for the past however long and it's either create revenue or get left behind thats it, if you want to see United win a champions league to league title in your lifetime again they need to do this.
Been reading in a few places that they may get an equity firm to pay for the stadium. The problem is that we won't own the stadium and the new owners reap the rewards.
Surely that defeats the purpose of building one in the first place.
Surely that defeats the purpose of building one in the first place.
I think that’s very conspiratorial.
Generally clubs will have a percentage of the stadium for which they will want guaranteed all seats sold for as many games as possible before a ball is even kicked. Often around 50% or more.
What looks much more likely since Ineos came in, after years and years Glazers shitting their pants regarding price increases, is that season ticket prices will sky rocket for the new stadium.
They’ll still want close to 50,000 guaranteed sales in May/June, but they’ll likely come much closer to the average Season Ticket prices of those at Arsenal and Real Madrid.
Instead of the average cost landing around 805 quid, we’ll be closer to 1500 quid I reckon.
The new stadium then allows them to charge much more for hospitality, both seasonal and match by match, as well as giving them much bigger capacity to sell these and still able to waffle on about providing many more member tickets which will also be very expensive.
I’d imagine they’ll be no more season ticket seats on the half way line either, these will all be the big money seats.
Building a new stadium allows them to completely change how the stadium operates, and they will absolutely milk it. Make no mistake though, they don’t “hate having so many season ticket holders”, they love them, but they’d absolutely love to make them more expensive also.
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I wonder which players in our current squad will actually be around to play in this new stadium.
Amad, Sesko, Lammens, Mainoo, Yoro and Heaven are all young enough and talented enough to still be here in six or seven years' time. You never know in football, though.
Not sure how i feel about those 3 radio antennas. In addition to that net, it reminds me of a circus tent.
I love the design. Devils trident and the tent is extremely practical for fans along with being unique (for the UK).
Makes the site immediately recognisable from miles away.
I suppose we can indeed rent those antenna's to mobile providers, make some extra profit!
Ditto, absolutely love it. Nothing like the boring bowels we see for every new build, makes it extremely unique and an arena in Manchester could certainly do with the extra rain cover.
I agree. It is a beautiful concept without doubt for me.
Yep, especially if it’s being funded by private investors. They will want their money back and more.
I reckon they’ll keep 20,000 cheap seats, to show they “care about working class” and the atmosphere. 30,000 season ticket holders will see a massive hike and they will be no season tickets available in prime locations like next to the dug out or on the half way line.
Probably. The season tickets and cheaper tickets will likely be in the 'singing section ' and is important for stadium atmosphere.
There will be a financial incentive to drive sales of individual one off tickets aimed at people with disposable income to spend at the shopping plaza outside.
I imagine that this is the thinking behind the government backing to the project and why they think its good for the local economy.
The club not owning the stadium would be an absolute recipe for disaster imo. 10 years down the line the Stadium owners start hiking the rates, what then?
Shouldn't be allowed to happen, it puts the club in a precarious position.
Seems realistic to me.
If only Manchester City Council could build it and lease it forever at mates rates
It would need to be trafford council, and they are going bankrupt. Anyway hope the new stadium doesn't happen it would be far more sensible to renovate OT and actually look at paying the debt down
This has been addressed numerous times throughout this thread. A major rebuild and renovation is estimated to come in at a price not that far short of building new. All the while you end up with significant compromises, likely a lower capacity and disruption to matchdays for several years.
Building new allows OT to remain fully open during the construction maintaining cash-flow and a full stadium for fans and the players.