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Gazza said:
I never said the stadiums will be worse so you're arguing against a point I never made, dude. I'm talking about the match day experience. The new match day esperience is built and designed to get money out of tourists. This is not a bug, it's a feature. To INEOS, the Tottenham stadium project is probably a massive success, but I'm telling you as a football supporter the match day experience was just not there when I went.
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I’ve been to the new spurs ground lots of times. Never had the impression they are trying to milk you. More gigs and rugby games than actual football - although seen numerous football games there. The increased utilisation is a massive plus.

The beer glasses used to leak, so perhaps that was a way to make you buy more beer!
 
Gazza said:
I never said the stadiums will be worse so you're arguing against a point I never made, dude. I'm talking about the match day experience. The new match day esperience is built and designed to get money out of tourists. This is not a bug, it's a feature. To INEOS, the Tottenham stadium project is probably a massive success, but I'm telling you as a football supporter the match day experience was just not there when I went.
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I get that. It is quite possible Ineos will ramp prices up, also possible they won't. You will have to wait to see how many season tickets will be on sale, but it could be more than you think, or for instance they could retain the same number as now and have the whole of the increase in capacity for tourists, as you call them. It may just be that a new stadium is the only way the current number of seasons is maintained, they haven't had to keep them all up to now, and won't in the future, whether the stadium is old or new.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I’ve been to the new spurs ground lots of times. Never had the impression they are trying to milk you. More gigs and rugby games than actual football - although seen numerous football games there. The increased utilisation is a massive plus.

The beer glasses used to leak, so perhaps that was a way to make you buy more beer!
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:lol:

I didn't enjoy the experience at all, but fair dues to those that do! I appreciate that these discussions must have a hard-nosed business edge to them too, I'm going to keep quiet now that I've made my feelings clear. :)
 
711 said:
I get that. It is quite possible Ineos will ramp prices up, also possible they won't. You will have to wait to see how many season tickets will be on sale, but it could be more than you think, or for instance they could retain the same number as now and have the whole of the increase in capacity for tourists, as you call them. It may just be that a new stadium is the only way the current number of seasons is maintained, they haven't had to keep them all up to now, and won't in the future, whether the stadium is old or new.
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Sounds hopeful, fingers crossed you're right, I guess we'll find out in the next 5 years... or 15, whichever the case will be! ;)
 
Gazza said:
:lol:

I didn't enjoy the experience at all, but fair dues to those that do! I appreciate that these discussions must have a hard-nosed business edge to them too, I'm going to keep quiet now that I've made my feelings clear. :)
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No worries! I’m not prolonging it, but generally I’m just in and out, and skip any of the extras. Rarely bother even to get drinks - so not the target market really.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
No worries! I’m not prolonging it, but generally I’m just in and out, and skip any of the extras. Rarely bother even to get drinks - so not the target market really.
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Fair! I'm definitely not the target market either.... I'm usually to be found smoking a joint or two by Bridgewater Canal pre-match myself, and I get my food from the wonderful purveyors on Busby Way. I guess I'm just selfish, I like the dingy corners around the stadium, and don't want families with kids encroaching on the canal path, lest I have to find a new place to toke :lol:
 
Gazza said:
Are you actually looking for a good faith discussion about this?
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Yes.

I'm wondering at what point it changes over from merely being a place to watch football to a money making opportunity.

Given the museum, the megastore, the concessions spots, the programme kiosks, etc

Old Trafford is and has always been a money making gambit designed so suck money out of people, doubly so given the influx of tourists in the past 30 years. If it wasn't we'd just play in a park.

it's just not as good a sucker as a new ground.
 
matherto said:
Yes.

I'm wondering at what point it changes over from merely being a place to watch football to a money making opportunity.

Given the museum, the megastore, the concessions spots, the programme kiosks, etc

Old Trafford is and has always ben a money making gambit designed so suck money out of people, doubly so given the influx of tourists in the past 30 years.

it's just not as good a sucker as a new ground.
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Your last point is key -- there are levels to this. We know Man Utd have to cater to the tourists, but they also know that there is a limit in how much they can raise prices while Old Trafford remains as it is. A new stadium gives them carte blanche to make it a multi-purpose, all-day experience, in a way that Old Trafford simply isn't. One could look at Tottenham having an F1 karting ring as one of their attractions, and imagine something similar at Old Trafford.

Ticket prices to watch a match at Old Trafford are comparatively low compared to other big PL teams. I also happen to think the price is quite fair. The added debt that will be brought on by building a new stadium comes at a cost somewhere. To me, there is every likelihood that the club management rips up the ticket pricing structure and starts again, and they can justify this based on 1) having to pay for the stadium and 2) the stadium supposedly offering an enhanced experience (more legroom, larger concourses, or whatever). Old Trafford has a megastore and a museum, but you can choose whether to patron either. I foresee hospitality packages aplenty in Old Trafford's future, more so than there are now, and I imagine the club will do some token "singing section" with a few thousand tickets available at the current rates.

If you look at Tottenham as an example, this article is from 2018:

Following the club’s announcement of ticket prices for the new stadium, Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust issued a statement criticizing the pricing. When looking at ticket prices, people look straight at the highest and lowest price tickets, and while these seem rather high, the supporters’ trust argues that the ticketing structure, with over 15 pricing points, masks the even higher actual cost of tickets.

The supporters’ trust has a point. The cheapest adult tickets are ‘just’ £795 ($1,110), which according to Talksport is more than the most expensive season ticket at 12 of the Premier League's 20 clubs.

But a look at the stadium pricing map reveals that these tickets are available for just one tiny corner of the lower tier. The next cheapest, at £875, or $1222, (more than the most expensive tickets at Liverpool), are for a small portion of the back half of the top tier behind the goal.

The majority of the ‘cheap seats’ are actually priced at £975 ($1,361) and £995 ($1,389) for the season. This compares to £695 ($970) for the cheapest season tickets at Wembley this season, which are about ten percent cheaper than the cost of season tickets for Spurs’ final season at the old White Hart Lane stadium.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevep...ces-show-the-spiraling-cost-of-london-soccer/

So it's quite fine if others think Old Trafford is already a tourist attraction and therefore we might as well go "the whole hog" and get more money out of people's pockets, but that's not my experience of the matchday at Old Trafford, and the creep toward more revenue generating methods will come at a cost, so I just think people need to be realistic and not expect INEOS/whoever to provide a stadium that costs £2-3billion without exploiting every trick available to extract more money from supporters.
 
I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't think the owners (whoever that might be when the build starts) will use the ground to massively increase ticket prices and essentially cleanse our support of remaining ordinary, working class fans is very naive.

We've seen a general move towards this anyway but with the new ground, it will be like on steroids.

This "might be where football is going" but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

The current ground is far from perfect but it's home. It has tradition and history.
 
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Spoony said:
PL is such a victim of its success.
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Yep. I've often thought the bubble will burst but it never seems to.

It's the quest for constant growth. Let's say we get a new ground and increase revenue by £200 million. Players will start asking for 20/30% more in wages which in turn means we need to start making more to keep up. It's never ending.

It's the same at every club and across the entire sport. Suddenly the Club World Cup becomes an annual competition. The Club World Shield gets created as a "2nd tier" FIFA competition like the Europa because we need more games. Teams start travelling to Saudi for midweek friendlies etc etc
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't think the owners (whoever that might be when the build starts) will use the ground to massively increase ticket prices and essentially cleanse our support of remaining ordinary, working class fans is very naive.

We've seen a general move towards this anyway but with the new ground, it will be like on steroids.

This "might be where football is going" but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

The current ground is far from perfect but it's home. It has tradition and history.
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It really doesn't have to go this way. United and co should be football clubs that generate cash to survive, not big businesses that happen to play football. Once there's a disconnect with the local fanbase, or legacy fans (Inneos) because more money can be made elsewhere regardless, it may as well be a franchise. Football is so much more than bricks, steel and cash. Sure, we could end up becoming an even bigger behemoth financially....but at what cost?
 
Spoony said:
It really doesn't have to go this way. United and co should be football clubs that generate cash to survive, not big businesses that happen to play football. Once there's a disconnect with the local fanbase, or legacy fans (Inneos) because more money can be made elsewhere regardless, it may as well be a franchise. Football is so much more than bricks, steel and cash. Sure, we could end up becoming an even bigger behemoth financially....but at what cost?
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Yep.

But as I've said further up, every club increasing revenue just increases demand for insane wages and transfer wages.

The clubs don't actually benefit from any of this because everyone is doing it and clubs spending just increases at the same rate as the revenue.
 
Gazza said:
People shouldn't kid themselves on about this. If people want a new stadium, that's their preference, but let's not be shocked when we end up with a match day experience that is totally different to what we have now. I've been to Spurs new ground... once you're over the vastness of the place, it's a completely underwhelming experience.
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It's underwhelming because it's Spurs.
 
I love the renovations of the Nou camp and Bernabéu and in an ideal world we could do the same although financially and logistically its easier to build a new stadium, I'm led to believe.

OT is unique, monstrous, beautiful (imo anyway - we have the most impressive roof trusses of any stadium ever) but it's falling behind massively and we have held on to the fact it houses 75K people which has papered over the fact it is arguably unfit for purpose.

Stadiums come and go. City moving from Maine road was mad at the time, same with Arsenal leaving Highbury, Atletico, Juve, . The clubs make the stadium not the other way round. If we are ambitious enough and successful enough then any stadium we call ours can become our home in due course.

As a resident of Chorlton, the proposed redevelopment of OT and the surrounding area be it a new stadium is amazing news for me for many reasons - having a world class stadium within a 10 minute walk away is exciting, it being in Manchester is good for the City and as a fan of architecture, it's very interesting to see it all unfold.


We are the biggest club in England. We should have the most impressive club stadium to match.

Just another thing to mention, all modern steel and concrete structures have lifespans so eventually OT will somewhat be replaced.
 
I can’t see Ratcliffe having this built when they estimate it’s going to take 5 years and 2 billion on paper. Everyone knows when they come up with these figures for anything being built, it never happens and is always higher.
Another thing, When it would be finished Ratcliffe will be pushing 80 or even in his 80 and there’s talk Ineos are in massive debt. Is throwing billions a priority at that age? When would he enjoy it?
I think this will only get done by new owners.
 
predator said:
I love the renovations of the Nou camp and Bernabéu and in an ideal world we could do the same although financially and logistically its easier to build a new stadium, I'm led to believe.

OT is unique, monstrous, beautiful (imo anyway - we have the most impressive roof trusses of any stadium ever) but it's falling behind massively and we have held on to the fact it houses 75K people which has papered over the fact it is arguably unfit for purpose.

Stadiums come and go. City moving from Maine road was mad at the time, same with Arsenal leaving Highbury, Atletico, Juve, . The clubs make the stadium not the other way round. If we are ambitious enough and successful enough then any stadium we call ours can become our home in due course.

As a resident of Chorlton, the proposed redevelopment of OT and the surrounding area be it a new stadium is amazing news for me for many reasons - having a world class stadium within a 10 minute walk away is exciting, it being in Manchester is good for the City and as a fan of architecture, it's very interesting to see it all unfold.


We are the biggest club in England. We should have the most impressive club stadium to match.

Just another thing to mention, all modern steel and concrete structures have lifespans so eventually OT will somewhat be replaced.
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Bloody hell mate… if you can walk from Chorlton to OT in 10 minutes you’s pi$$ the Olympics. I used to work next to Warwick Rd station and had to run all the way there & back in my dinner hour for tickets. Took me 10 minutes one way and that’s less than half the distance.

Agree with the post though :D
 
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It was a sad day when football fans started talking more like accountants and marketing managers than romantics.

If we leave OT, it will be terrible. As I've said a million times, the new ground won't cater for 90% of the people on here. Attending a match will become a once a season treat for a lot of people. Young local kids experience will only it on a screen.

Give it 5 months of the Snapdragon Soccer Dome and people will be moaning about the atmosphere and not questioning what impact an average ticket price of over £100 is having.
predator said:
I love the renovations of the Nou camp and Bernabéu and in an ideal world we could do the same although financially and logistically its easier to build a new stadium, I'm led to believe.

OT is unique, monstrous, beautiful (imo anyway - we have the most impressive roof trusses of any stadium ever) but it's falling behind massively and we have held on to the fact it houses 75K people which has papered over the fact it is arguably unfit for purpose.

Stadiums come and go. City moving from Maine road was mad at the time, same with Arsenal leaving Highbury, Atletico, Juve, . The clubs make the stadium not the other way round. If we are ambitious enough and successful enough then any stadium we call ours can become our home in due course.

As a resident of Chorlton, the proposed redevelopment of OT and the surrounding area be it a new stadium is amazing news for me for many reasons - having a world class stadium within a 10 minute walk away is exciting, it being in Manchester is good for the City and as a fan of architecture, it's very interesting to see it all unfold.


We are the biggest club in England. We should have the most impressive club stadium to match.

Just another thing to mention, all modern steel and concrete structures have lifespans so eventually OT will somewhat be replaced.
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Pointless comparing us to city, Juve and Atletico. Very different. None of them had a 73,000 capacity stadium and city were essentially given a freebie by the council.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It was a sad day when football fans started talking more like accountants and marketing managers than romantics.

If we leave OT, it will be terrible. As I've said a million times, the new ground won't cater for 90% of the people on here. Attending a match will become a once a season treat for a lot of people. Young local kids experience will only it on a screen.

Give it 5 months of the Snapdragon Soccer Dome and people will be moaning about the atmosphere and not questioning what impact an average ticket price of over £100 is having.

Pointless comparing us to city, Juve and Atletico. Very different. None of them had a 73,000 capacity stadium and city were essentially given a freebie by the council.
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Arsenal moved and they fill their new ground, even Spurs. We need to move with the times, otherwise we will be left behind.
OT as a building is slowly deteriorating and saying that I don't think the current owners will do anything constructive towards it. As for slightly moving, they still haven't sorted anything with Freightliners for the land, as far as I can see. Its all bluster. The only way to go forward is to maybe relocate to another site, but I don't think anything will be happening there either.
Meanwhile the main instigator Ratcliffe, gets another year older, 74 in October, and that's another thing against it. He will be in his 80s when it would be built and his company Ineos is in debt to the tune of £18 billion. The parasites won't invest anything.
Imo Unless the club is completely sold, we will still be in limbo with the ground for years to come. I really hope I am proved wrong.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It was a sad day when football fans started talking more like accountants and marketing managers than romantics.

If we leave OT, it will be terrible. As I've said a million times, the new ground won't cater for 90% of the people on here. Attending a match will become a once a season treat for a lot of people. Young local kids experience will only it on a screen.

Give it 5 months of the Snapdragon Soccer Dome and people will be moaning about the atmosphere and not questioning what impact an average ticket price of over £100 is having.

Pointless comparing us to city, Juve and Atletico. Very different. None of them had a 73,000 capacity stadium and city were essentially given a freebie by the council.
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More people than ever can get to watch United at home with the new stadium, at the minute for a fan getting a home ticket can be hard unless you know some people and with 55k ST's in a stadium of 73,000 means after taking away fans out there is likely only around 10 to 14k tickets available per game if that after taking corporate tickets, player allocations etc etc, of course there will maybe .pre tickets available for this type of thing but more fans will actually get to go to games than they do now.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It was a sad day when football fans started talking more like accountants and marketing managers than romantics.

If we leave OT, it will be terrible. As I've said a million times, the new ground won't cater for 90% of the people on here. Attending a match will become a once a season treat for a lot of people. Young local kids experience will only it on a screen.

Give it 5 months of the Snapdragon Soccer Dome and people will be moaning about the atmosphere and not questioning what impact an average ticket price of over £100 is having.

Pointless comparing us to city, Juve and Atletico. Very different. None of them had a 73,000 capacity stadium and city were essentially given a freebie by the council.
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I've no idea why you're conflating getting a new stadium with the new owners milking fans, as though that's the only way that could happen. If they turn out to be terrible stewards of the club, they will be milking fans in the current stadium, in a refurbed OT, or in a brand new one. They can rename the ground, they can still turf out ST holders for more hospitality suites, and anything else that might apply. Staying at OT is no bulwark against bad owners ruining matchday for locals, so that's no factor at all in getting a new stadium.
 
Gavinb33 said:
More people than ever can get to watch United at home with the new stadium, at the minute for a fan getting a home ticket can be hard unless you know some people and with 55k ST's in a stadium of 73,000 means after taking away fans out there is likely only around 10 to 14k tickets available per game if that after taking corporate tickets, player allocations etc etc, of course there will maybe .pre tickets available for this type of thing but more fans will actually get to go to games than they do now.
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None of the extra tickets at the new ground will be affordable to "ordinary fans". I'm willing to put money on that.

It's also easy to get tickets for at least 12/13 league matches if you're a member now. Some people just aren't enough to get tickets for the lesser games and then moan when they can't get the bigger ones.

wolvored said:
Arsenal moved and they fill their new ground, even Spurs. We need to move with the times, otherwise we will be left behind.
OT as a building is slowly deteriorating and saying that I don't think the current owners will do anything constructive towards it. As for slightly moving, they still haven't sorted anything with Freightliners for the land, as far as I can see. Its all bluster. The only way to go forward is to maybe relocate to another site, but I don't think anything will be happening there either.
Meanwhile the main instigator Ratcliffe, gets another year older, 74 in October, and that's another thing against it. He will be in his 80s when it would be built and his company Ineos is in debt to the tune of £18 billion. The parasites won't invest anything.
Imo Unless the club is completely sold, we will still be in limbo with the ground for years to come. I really hope I am proved wrong.
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Arsenal and Spurs both had stadiums of what 40,000? We have a capacity of 73,000. It's not needed especially when it's gonna cost billions.

Spurs also now have one of the most expensive season ticket holders out of the top european leagues. Thats the direction we're going in.
quadrant said:
I've no idea why you're conflating getting a new stadium with the new owners milking fans, as though that's the only way that could happen. If they turn out to be terrible stewards of the club, they will be milking fans in the current stadium, in a refurbed OT, or in a brand new one. They can rename the ground, they can still turf out ST holders for more hospitality suites, and anything else that might apply. Staying at OT is no bulwark against bad owners ruining matchday for locals, so that's no factor at all in getting a new stadium.
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It's gentrification as much as anything else. They've wanted to change the support for years now but can't because of all the season ticket holders. The new ground will give them an excuse to get a new "customer base"

I'm not sure why people find it odd that people are concerned about this. Every single decision clubs make now are centred around making as much as money as possible and filling their grounds with social media influencers, sponsors and tourists. Current ticket policies are bad enough, it's gonna move in an extreme direction if/once this thing has been built.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
None of the extra tickets at the new ground will be affordable to "ordinary fans". I'm willing to put money on that.

It's also easy to get tickets for at least 12/13 league matches if you're a member now. Some people just aren't enough to get tickets for the lesser games and then moan when they can't get the bigger ones.


Arsenal and Spurs both had stadiums of what 40,000? We have a capacity of 73,000. It's not needed especially when it's gonna cost billions.

Spurs also now have one of the most expensive season ticket holders out of the top european leagues. Thats the direction we're going in.

It's gentrification as much as anything else. They've wanted to change the support for years now but can't because of all the season ticket holders. The new ground will give them an excuse to get a new "customer base"

I'm not sure why people find it odd that people are concerned about this. Every single decision clubs make now are centred around making as much as money as possible and filling their grounds with social media influencers, sponsors and tourists. Current ticket policies are bad enough, it's gonna move in an extreme direction if/once this thing has been built.
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With all due respect to the likes of Hull etc but if you can afford one trip to a match a year you want it to be a good game don't you that's hardly surprising and is it a given for most games these days, I have friends who are members who can't always get tickets
 
Gavinb33 said:
With all due respect to the likes of Hull etc but if you can afford one trip to a match a year you want it to be a good game don't you that's hardly surprising and is it a given for most games these days, I have friends who are members who can't always get tickets
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Don't moan when you can't a ticket for a big game when you can't be arsed for the "likes of Hull".

You can't always get tickets but you certainly can for the majority now. That's been the case for several years. The "I can never get a ticket" is very lazy.

And as I say, none of these issues will be solved by a new stadium. The vast majority (if not all) will be part of some shite hospitality package for £300 +.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Don't moan when you can't a ticket for a big game when you can't be arsed for the "likes of Hull".

You can't always get tickets but you certainly can for the majority now. That's been the case for several years. The "I can never get a ticket" is very lazy.

And as I say, none of these issues will be solved by a new stadium. The vast majority (if not all) will be part of some shite hospitality package for £300 +.
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I didn't say never, also you seem very angry about this so I am going to stop engaging, also you seem mad at me 3 of 4 home games I went to this season were against teams in the bottom 6
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
It's gentrification as much as anything else. They've wanted to change the support for years now but can't because of all the season ticket holders. The new ground will give them an excuse to get a new "customer base"

I'm not sure why people find it odd that people are concerned about this. Every single decision clubs make now are centred around making as much as money as possible and filling their grounds with social media influencers, sponsors and tourists. Current ticket policies are bad enough, it's gonna move in an extreme direction if/once this thing has been built.
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Season ticket holders have been moved around countless times in the years I've been going, that's nothing new. And all they need to do is stop giving out new ones every time someone hands one in, if they want to lower the total number. The idea that season tickets are stopping Ineos from changing things within the ground to earn more money if they want to is naïve.

And yes, we are also concerned about the way that football is changing, you can get off that moral high horse, thank you. The difference is, you've created this binary fiction; that the choice is between a new stadium, which will result in a worse case scenario of theme parks in the car parks and £20 pints, or keeping the old stadium, which will somehow keep football working class. If only life were so simple. The stadium decision in and of itself will have little impact on the long term gentrification of football. That will be affected by many things, from the attitudes of the owners to the global forces involved in football more widely. You've just chosen it as a proxy for your dissatisfaction at these general issues.
 
quadrant said:
Season ticket holders have been moved around countless times in the years I've been going, that's nothing new. And all they need to do is stop giving out new ones every time someone hands one in, if they want to lower the total number. The idea that season tickets are stopping Ineos from changing things within the ground to earn more money if they want to is naïve.

And yes, we are also concerned about the way that football is changing, you can get off that moral high horse, thank you. The difference is, you've created this binary fiction; that the choice is between a new stadium, which will result in a worse case scenario of theme parks in the car parks and £20 pints, or keeping the old stadium, which will somehow keep football working class. If only life were so simple. The stadium decision in and of itself will have little impact on the long term gentrification of football. That will be affected by many things, from the attitudes of the owners to the global forces involved in football more widely. You've just chosen it as a proxy for your dissatisfaction at these general issues.
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I'll simplify things. It's bad now but it will be a million times worse in the new ground.

There's been a general move towards this for years but any new ground for any team really only speeds up the direction of travel.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I'll simplify things. It's bad now but it will be a million times worse in the new ground.

There's been a general move towards this for years but any new ground for any team really only speeds up the direction of travel.
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You don't need to simplify it further. It's already simplistic enough.
 
CallyRed said:
We'll do what City did with the commonwealth games.
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Yep. I think that's the way it will go now. Or at least, that's the direction they'll want to go in a post Burnham as Mayor world. Whether the Olympics bid happens is another question but I know there's people exploring the feasibility of it.

Interestingly, we were offered the Commonwealth stadium before city in the mid 90s before the failed Manchester 2000 Olympics bid. I believe some people at United were in favour as this was pre North Stand expansion. We were offered again pre 2002 after the commonwealth games but we were well on track to expanding Old Trafford by that stage. Interesting sliding doors moment as the council got desperate and offered to city for close to nothing.
 
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KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Yep. I think that's the way it will go now. Or at least, that's the direction they'll want to go in a post Burnham as Mayor world. Whether the Olympics bid happens is another question but I know there's people exploring the feasibility of it.

Interestingly, we were offered the Commonwealth stadium before city in the mid 90s before the failed Manchester 2000 Olympics bid. I believe some people at United were in favour as this was pre North Stand expansion. We were offered again pre 2002 after the commonwealth games but we were well on track to expanding Old Trafford by that stage. Interesting sliding doors moment as the council got desperate and offered to city for close to nothing.
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Ah did not that. I wonder how it would have gone down leaving the Salford area. How far away was it from Maine road?
City got so lucky with that, they wouldn't have got the sheikh money had they remained where they were.
 
CallyRed said:
Ah did not that. I wonder how it would have gone down leaving the Salford area. How far away was it from Maine road?
City got so lucky with that, they wouldn't have got the sheikh money had they remained where they were.
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If anything, it would have been us coming back home. That ground isn't far from where Newton Heath started out.

Indeed. At the time, they were something of a yo-yo side aswell and would have carried on being an irrelevance outside Greater Manchester if they didn't move in 2003.
 
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