Poch would be pretty sound for top 4 at least. Did it with Spurs against the odds chronically and with Chelsea he quit after getting going becuase well, Boehly. Did fine enough at PSG too.
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Tuchel, Ancelotti, Enrique are the top managers we should try to sign. But are they willing to work under Wilcox and Ineos?
If it doesn’t work out move on to Emery or Glasner. Glasner is absolutely available.
If it doesn’t work out move on to Emery or Glasner. Glasner is absolutely available.
The main 2 names that id absolutely hate if they were given the job are Pochettino and Southgate. Doesn't seem like Southgate is a contender but have seen Poch's name a few times and that one definitely brings anxiety.
I do not think Ancelotti will succeed here, his approach wouldn't work, we will need someone to actually to actually coach the players, Tuchel, Enrique and Conte fit the bill, I am more inclined towards Tuchel, our squad is decent enough in defense and attack, and if we sign 2 quality CMs or one CM and one DM, then it will be something Tuchel can operate with.
Didnt Ancelotti sat in private he wouldn’t want the United job?
Enrique is the best candidate for me, would absolutely love him.
Tuchel I’d be pleased with, big personality for this club.
Nagelsman would be fantastic too.
Feel like they’re a lot of good coaches around which I reckon means we can end up with someone very good.
Enrique is the best candidate for me, would absolutely love him.
Tuchel I’d be pleased with, big personality for this club.
Nagelsman would be fantastic too.
Feel like they’re a lot of good coaches around which I reckon means we can end up with someone very good.
What are the possibilities of Simeone? Seems he doesn't get talked about.
It was a conversation with Ole and given he managed Madrid and other big clubs, comes across to me as more respectful to Ole in terms of the pressure at a big club ("I know what pressure you have there, I'm glad it's not me" - etc). But that's not saying "I won't take that pressure on" when he went to Madrid shortly thereafter. Also Brazil is arguably the most pressure based national squad on the planet.
Glad Gary and Big Sam are arguing for it. I'm certain he is the man.
There's a big group of relatively high-profile managers with their contracts expiring in the summer:
Tuchel
Ancelotti
Pochettino
Valverde
Marco Silva
Iraola
Glasner
To my mind, these are the real candidates. I'd be interested to see a poll exclusively of these names to see what people think (I assume Ancelotti would come top, although in my view, he'd be a pretty poor fit with this current United).
Tuchel
Ancelotti
Pochettino
Valverde
Marco Silva
Iraola
Glasner
To my mind, these are the real candidates. I'd be interested to see a poll exclusively of these names to see what people think (I assume Ancelotti would come top, although in my view, he'd be a pretty poor fit with this current United).
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I'd rather see my grandma manage United than Poch. From the above it's Tuchel easily.
- Ancelotti
- Tuchel
- Nagelsmann
- Iraola
- Glasner
- Marco Silva
- Valverde
- Ole full time
- Bring back Mourinho
- Don't even bother using a manager
- Pochettino
Ah fair, thanks for clarifying.
Ancelotti would be a top candidate precisely because he is a sort of yes-man while being elite. It's the other younger, more ego driven head coaches that are a risk not the man who dealt with the meddlers like Berlusconi and Perez most of his career.
Rare sensible take from him
Honestly if we could guarantee its only an interim position and no matter what happens we shake hands and move on in the summer I'd be fine with Ole or any other caretaker for that matter. The concern is keeping him when we know he's not the answer.
We finish 5th, get CL then the campaign starts to keep him on. We need to get the best possible manager in the summer and Ole is not the best manager we could possibly get.
We finish 5th, get CL then the campaign starts to keep him on. We need to get the best possible manager in the summer and Ole is not the best manager we could possibly get.
What’s Poch up to these days?
It would be a great way to have Amadeus back as well
It would be a great way to have Amadeus back as well
He managed Real Madrid! Do you think he decided transfers and who gets new contracts?
Really. The club needs to build an identity and style of play over the next few years that should come from the top. Ancelotti is best managing egos and elite groups of players who don't need masses of direction or coaching. United are not that team. He might be able to motivate the players but we need more than that at the moment. What is his style of play?
We may go for an option that doesn't require paying a club compensation.
It kind of proves his point though. When they actually had to play a similar amount of high intensity games to Chelsea before they met they got well beaten.
The game before they played Arsenal in the return leg they benched their entire first team in preparation for Arsenal and were beaten 2-1 by Strasbourg, that's only really a luxury for PSG and maybe Bayern Munich given their leagues and their squads compared to the rest.
They also didn't beat Arsenal easily, they won the first leg 1-0 and won the return leg 2-1 but they were battered in the return leg and were lucky to get the win while Arsenal had to play Merino up front with Kiwior and lewis-Skelly in defence. I know xG isn't the be all and end all but over the tie it was Arsenal 4.53 PSG 2.9 with Arsenal missing several key players.
They also squeezed past a good but not great Liverpool team on penalties, Got a scare and only just squeaked past Villa and finished 15th in the group stage.
They're also 2nd in the league at the moment and not looking anything spectacular in the Champions League.
I like him and like watching PSG but I think they get a little overrated because of how amazing Mendes and Hakimi are and how they add so much to their attack.
EDIT: Even on Thursday night they should have lost a cup final to Marseille. They were winning in injury time and Aubameyang went for goal instead of the corner flag messing it up, after which they got countered, scored against and then lost on pens about a minute later.
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Thanks for sharing that graph. This suggests in some ways his job was made easier than other managers in that his team was more fresh due to less competition and intensity to deal with. It also says that he had it harder as he had to keep his team focused and alert and playing at a high level and to be prepared for tough teams outside France without been given as good practice as them. By practice I mean domestic rivals that are amongst the best in the world to prepare you for the cl.Disagree with lack of sharpness.
Not being exhausted would I think be more of an advantage than having played too many games.
"These are professional athletes" - they're still not super-human; the schedule for the key players of the top clubs of regular weekend + mid-week CL fixture is still incredibly demanding.
The Premier League is the most intense and physically demanding of all the top 5 leagues. Ligue 1 is the least physically demanding of all the top 5 leagues. The games are less draining, they have fewer of them, plus they can often win games and the league easily while resting key players due to standard of opposition. It would be easier for their key players to remain fresh to save their energy for the CL.
See this analysis from 2020, and the gap from the PL to others will have likely only increased since:
https://medium.com/skillcorner/lets...-big-5-european-football-leagues-bcb04ebb835c
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...-league-such-tough-leap-other-leagues-players
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I don't think that nothing competition really matters. Or are you saying that Enrique isn't all that and would be a failure in the PL with United 'cos his team lost to Chelsea?!...
Hands up who still wants Glasner? 
Ancelotti will be 67 by the time the season starts. He's managed 8 games with Brazil and has already lost to Bolivia and Japan and drew with Tunisia and Ecuador.
I'd also worry about his reputation as far as training/player management.
- Manuel Neuer, Thomas Müller, Philipp Lahm, Xabi Alonso, Jerome Boateng, Mats Hummels and Franck Ribéry complained that training lacked intensity, was relaxed, breezy and didn't improve players.
- Tactical instruction was basic and often non-existent
- Ancelotti's fitness coach smoked in the dressing room. Warm-up sessions that lasted 30 minutes under Guardiola turned into 3-5 minute sessions
- They received video analysis prior to a game once in a 12 month period
- They received no in-game coaching beyond basic instructions, such as a game against Wolfsburg where they were behind at half time and he told the players 'you need to focus better'
- Senior players organised individual training sessions of their own. When Ancelotti found out he forbade them. Players then moved to a different location for those training sessions.
We don't have a generational team like Real so I doubt it works for us.
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Hands up who still wants Glasner?
“Another side who are also quite poor in the league but beat City in an FA Cup final recently use 343” was always a fairly weird reason for wanting him IMO
Hands up who still wants Glasner?
Someone watch those 88 votes for Glasner like a hawk
Not Glasner thanks. He plays a shit system too
We are more in line with the Napoli and Everton teams he coached and he wasn’t anything special at those clubs. Hiring Ancelotti would be typical of us as it would be a decade too late.
And yet
Quick search reveals. It's almost as if those stories paint him out to be a chancer when in certain qualitative metrics, i.e., diversity of challenges, he's the most successful manager alive
Tuchel is probably the best fit for our squad but I don't think he'd want to work under Wilcox who will dictate transfers and possibly more.
As opposed to other top clubs which give the manager more control over transfers? Like...err, who?
I believe that the manager should have a significant say on transfers.
But we should stick to the policy of not signing players above 26 and also not signing players from the previous clubs of managers.
Nobody is saying he’s not successful. Personally, despite his failures at Bayern, I rate him highly and respect him a lot. I just think he’s a bad fit in the situation you are in and I have a hard time imagining that it would work out.
I also kind of think that his best days are already behind him. You could use the same arguments you just gave for Mourinho, for example.
Hands up who still wants Glasner?
I can not understand the fans wanting him and wanting an attacking manager. He is one of the most defensive coached out there.
I think he has a few years left to give before retirement. Is his age situation really any different to Heynckes? We know how that went. He was around that age, too. Phenomenal success for you.
I was thinking Ancelotti was a decent option too but now that Gary's said the same, I'm doubting myself (my vote's for Tuchel, more or less)
Thinking about how whoever comes in needs to understand how to bed in the talented academy products into the main team. There's a lot of talk about the 'Manchester United way' and tbh this should be one of the non-negotiables.
We won’t have anywhere near the team that Heynckes had at Bayern. If we had a ready made team then Ancelotti would be your man. He’s never been a squad builder.
This is where I'm at, I picked Enrique because it's the most obvious choice and you only get one pick but I'm at point now where I could pick 6 or 7 managers and not really care who gets it as it's pretty clear nowadays that the trophies are won in the boardroom with all of the crazy fees and intense competition for every wonder kid etc.
Arsenal are about to win their first Premiere League in a long time purely because they went out and bought 5 first team players to put on the bench. When everybody is fit Eze, Gyokeres, Hincapie, Mosquera and Madueke don't get into the starting line up and they bought two squad players in Norgaard and Kepa as well. All you have to do is watch them to know they're nothing special and could be challenged as early as next season.
If we recruit top players and build a top squad we will compete with any decent manager in charge and if we don't then it doesn't matter who is charge. No manager is going to challenge if we're buying players like Sancho and Anthony but virtually all the managers linked to us could if we're buying players like Cunha and Mbeumo. There's only really Klopp (maybe Alonso?) that's still around that can turn water into wine, after that it's pretty much whoever can stock pile the most talent.
We should ask Xavi to finish the season with a clause that triggers to extend by 12 months if he gets top 5. Top 5 really isn't asking for much so if he even remotely believes in himself he should take that contract.
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And he was the right coach at the right time for us. He was able to build on a very good foundation laid by Van Gaal, who had instilled a clear philosophy into the whole club and had the players drilled into a possession machine. What Heynckes did so well, was mostly the man management. He was able to form a very good unit, convinced players like Ribéry and Robben to work defensively and had the pleasure of dealing with a highly motivated and ambitious squad.
That’s not to take away from his gigantic achievements with us. It just means, that he was a great fit at that time. But I doubt that we would have been successful, had he arrived before Van Gaal. I think it’s a bit like that with you right now, as I don’t think you already have a philosophy or approach figured out yet, that you want to follow and Ancelotti could build on.
The one thing that would speak for Ancelotti is his calm and ability to work in difficult environments. But I don’t think this would be enough to make him a success for you.
As said before, you’d need better leadership and a functional hierarchy inside your squad for him to work out.
With a few additions, the guy can cement a culture, desperately needed, which is both healthy, good football, and winning, and can hand that over We're, being real, only about 5 additions away from serious capacity to challenge for the title.
Imagine, for sake of argument, Casemiro accepts a different wage to reflect his 60minute brilliance but also that limitation regarding his age/fitness. We keep Bruno also. Then -- here's the suspend disbelief part -- we sign Anderson and Wharton (170m~ for the two, thereabouts). That's one hell of a midfield. Perfectly balanced and solid depth.
Add a Thiago and get rid of Zirkzee. 40m not including a likely 15-20m recouped from the sale of the second. So far we're talking 200m (less with others offloaded and wage reductions, included) on what is now looking like a squad that can seriously challenge, with good depth, across many fronts. I cannot accept the hypothesis that Carlo Ancelotti, who has won leagues in every major league, cannot bring them to a very high standard in such a scenario and leave it in good health for whomever takes over.
Money there too for a right-back. 250m spend. And we'd have really good depth for the first time in years along with instant improvements in terms of starting players (Ugarte likely shipped out too).
Look, the arguments against are "he's not good at taking over teams which aren't already at the top or thereabouts". You could say that about most of the people on this list and the ones who have/can do that -- have you heard of Amorim and Ten Hag? Because we've tried that and it was a complete failure.
Before Klopp, it was Wenger. Here's the thing. Managers like that are rare and every club, big, on the planet has them on their radar. Most, if not all, are already tied down to contracts and always being tapped up. And of all of them, there's still no guarantee. Klopp, before Liverpool, everyone knew, who followed the game, would have been perfect here. It was obvious. Now Wenger, for some contrast, was a bit of a gamble for Arsenal whereas Klopp had done it at Dortmund. The point I'm making is this club has tried that route and it really has failed. We also got prime managers who were not in their prime. To say Carlo isn't in his prime is to ignore what he won about two years ago before going to Brazil (the title, etc., and more, in the second best league in the world -- hardly a dinosaur).
Before Klopp, it was Wenger. Here's the thing. Managers like that are rare and every club, big, on the planet has them on their radar. Most, if not all, are already tied down to contracts and always being tapped up. And of all of them, there's still no guarantee. Klopp, before Liverpool, everyone knew, who followed the game, would have been perfect here. It was obvious. Now Wenger, for some contrast, was a bit of a gamble for Arsenal whereas Klopp had done it at Dortmund. The point I'm making is this club has tried that route and it really has failed. We also got prime managers who were not in their prime. To say Carlo isn't in his prime is to ignore what he won about two years ago before going to Brazil (the title, etc., and more, in the second best league in the world -- hardly a dinosaur).