Think it makes sense. There was the hope to get in Alonso immediately, without having an interim first. Once that option was off the table and we need to wait for summer anyway, may as well go with the best option
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The 72 people voting for Ole and 16 people voting for Southgate has to be trolls or City/Liverpool rival fans disguising as United fans on here. There is no way anyone who cares about the well-being of this club has to be that stupid.
Will be interesting monitoring Carrick's vote count if we keep performing well, especially if we win today.
It was an extremely difficult choice for me between him and Thomas Tuchel. But ultimately I went for Tuchel because of his Premier League's experience. I think I'd change my vote to Xabi Alonso as I rate him incredibly highly.
Alonso would be so good, would be great to have him here as he seem a dynamic coach, but seem there are no links or ties to us. Carrick is making a lot of the names less interesting by the week too.
He could do a job but I'm not sure his football is entirely to the taste of United fans. Luis Enrique's football is possession based but direct enough for what United fans (based on what I read here at least) would like.
Scanning down that whole list there are so few that excite me. It's basically just Enrique.
Agreed. It’s why I’m hoping Carrick keeps performing as he has thus far and puts his name into the hat. Sometimes it might just be better to stick with someone if it’s working. The risk of someone new coming in and fecking up again scares me.
Ancelotti is the one for me. I feel like he would be really suited to pick up and expand on the style of football that Carrick is playing while also bringing in that extra level of experience and elite mentality.
I was wondering why 23 would want Maresca also.
Yes, I've voted Enrique as I think he's the best candidate out there, and if he somehow became available in the summer, we'd be crazy not to try get him. Although Man City might want him too if Pep steps down.
However, I'm not blown away by the other choices.
I'll wait until the end of the season, and until Enrique's future at psg is decided, to see if I'll switch my vote to Carrick.
If he replicates the previous 2 games another say 8, 9 or 10 times over the rest of the season, I'd much rather keeping him than going for another shot in the dark.
If Enrique’s the man the board wants to go for and his contract ends in 27, why not (under the assumption Carrick does well) offer Carrick a 1 year deal to take us through to the summer of 27? It’s hardly as if he’s gonna go ”nah I want a three year deal otherwise I’ll sign for Palace” if the chance arises to keep going at United for another year and to stake his claim to a longer term deal.
I think it's a difficult one to play optically. I doubt Enrique or PSG would be okay with it being public knowledge and it would look like we don't really trust Carrick if he gets a 1 year deal. Similarly where it was a 1 year or 2/3 year deal with break clauses, depending how Carrick does, there would probably be pressure on him to continue if his 18 months goes well.
It wouldn’t have to be played out that way publicly though. I think it would be possible for the club to play it as taking it slowly due to the risk of having to sack another club legend with the memory of having to do so with Solskjaer in recent memory while assessing the most suitable long-term candidate which could still turn out to be Carrick at the end of next season.
He’s gone from being sacked by Boro and out of a job to landing the current gig at United by virtue of being the most suitable ex player who happens to be a manager.
Assume that he doesn’t do so well that his appointment is inevitable in the eyes of outside observers (extreme example being 16 wins in a row and winning the league title) but does a ”good enough” job, let’s just for example’s sake say he gets 9 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses in his 16 games. In such a scenario, I think he’d be happy if the club gave him another year with a few new signings to show what he can do over a full season, and during that period the club can assess what he does when there’s European football to juggle and how he handles the squad game which is a big part of auditioning to be United manager, while also sounding out potential alternatives.
Carrick’s a great guy and was a fantastic servant for the club but the club needs to do what’s best for the club, and offering Carrick a one-year extension (assuming prime candidates aren’t ready to come in the summer) is clearly the better move over a three-year deal if he does a decent job as interim until the end of the summer. Carrick won’t refuse such an offer given the manner in which he’s found himself in the job.
Media optics and pandering to the media as opposed to doing what’s best for the club is what got us into the Solskjaer situation with ex players kicking up a frenzy after the PSG result forcing the board to give him a three year contract. Had we waited until the season ended with the results towards the end of the season I’m not sure Ole would’ve been offered a long-term deal and we could possibly have been better off today for it given every failed appointment is another squad overhaul and money down the drain.
Other than Enrique, I dont see any other viable alternative that isn't a super risk.
Looking at the poll, I am surprised with number of votes Nagglesman and Tuchel have received considering their failures at Bayern Munich.
It takes alot to fail at Bayern...
I would not want the style of play that Tuchel plays at United, pragmatic boring football.
Looking at the poll, I am surprised with number of votes Nagglesman and Tuchel have received considering their failures at Bayern Munich.
It takes alot to fail at Bayern...
I would not want the style of play that Tuchel plays at United, pragmatic boring football.
How comes? Even Ancelotti managed to pull this off. Most of our coaches fail.
If we do finish in the top four, how would people feel about extending Carrick for an additional season and waiting until Enrique is available. I think it's potentially worth the risk because none of the attainable managers this summer move me.
I think that’s more down to how we as United fans see managers.
I think our fanbase have this idea of a perfect fit of a manager but in truth it doesn’t really exist. That list will simply never include Pep, Klopp or Fergie so it will thus never be a list that includes a ‘perfect candidate ‘.
I just don't want Enrique as manager/ head coach. There's just something that makes me feel it will be like the last two selected managers, they have their own style, and will undoubtedly want their own players, which is more expense.
He hasn't coached in England, just Spain and France, with pretty much the biggest clubs in those countries, and coached the Spanish team. He's had a number of world class players at his disposal in every club, something he won't have at United, so it's as clear as day to me that he will require a lot of cash to get the players he 'needs'. Apparently he doesn't have a great relationship with journalists, and with United he would be under the spotlight from day one.
He hasn't coached in England, just Spain and France, with pretty much the biggest clubs in those countries, and coached the Spanish team. He's had a number of world class players at his disposal in every club, something he won't have at United, so it's as clear as day to me that he will require a lot of cash to get the players he 'needs'. Apparently he doesn't have a great relationship with journalists, and with United he would be under the spotlight from day one.
For starters, Luis Enrique is not coming to United, he will have no interest in coming here so I don't know why people are pinning their hopes on this man. He has a good thing going with PSG, and if he did he will end up at City after Guardiola likely leaves come the end of the season.
Secondly, Nagelsmann did not fail at Bayern, his win percentage is 3% lower than Kompany's currently at 71%, he has 4 less wins, 3 more draws and 1 less loss in 2 less games managed. He won the league and the cup in the first season, and then he won the cup again in the second season before the mid season sacking. They were 1 point behind Dortmund in the league and still in with a chance of winning more trophies come the end of the season. In comparison Tuchel's record was 60% and he won the league only because Dortmund royally cocked it up.
I think if you listen to some fans there wasn't a justification in sacking him. Him going on holiday during a break after a loss didn't sit well with higher ups and according to reports he had a bit of a tiff with Sadio Mane. Since then Uli Hoeneß has come out and said it was a mistake and they shouldn't have sacked him.
People need to learn that just because a manager was sacked it doesn't always mean its because they were a failure, sometimes there's more to it. The fact that Nagelsmann could be free at the end of the season should not be a thing, he should still be at Bayern. Its an opportunity nobody should be missing if they need a manager.
Firstly, you dont know that.. and no one is pinning their hopes on him. Most have said if he is available, we should get him, no one is saying he is 100% coming.
Secondly, he has completed his task at PSG, winning the treble, there is nothing more there that will challenge him. Then this is all hypotheticals that Pep will leave at the end of the season.
With Bayern, his CL record wasn't great and the fact that he has not managed anywhere outside the Bundesliga is a massive red flag, we have seen many coaches come and struggle because the PL is a different ball game.
We cannot take a risk of a manager who has done ok at Bayern, failing in the CL where he meets better teams.
At this point, can we even risk getting a non Man United ex player as manager/head coach?
The fanbase and ownership clearly want Fergie like football and style. The only people that seem to want or can replicate that are ex United legends. Ole, Van Nistelrooy and Carrick are the only managers that have made us play the football we want.
Ole only failed because we went away from his hardworking counter attacking style when we signed a 38 year old Ronaldo and Sancho.
Ole with two different signings may have been better and you can't forget he finished 2nd in the Premier League.
I'd rather at this stage, 13 years since Fergie left, we do what Barca, Arsenal, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid have done and put in the ex player that really knows the fans, culture and style.
The midfield improvement has been clear against Man City and Arsenal which is a huge box ticked. He should get 2 new midfielders in the summer to work with too.
The only thing Carrick has left to show is that he can break down low blocks. If the assistant coach Steve Holland is part of why we're solid against City and Arsenal, the team need to prove we can break down more defensive teams in the next few games. Holland has been a key man for England in the past, I don't know if England were known to be good at breaking down low blocks defensive set ups.
If Carrick et al prove they can score goals against defensive set ups then I'm all in on Carrick being the next manager over a Tuchel/Nagelsmann/Ancelotti who could come in and simply not get Manchester United and try and rip things up again.
The fanbase and ownership clearly want Fergie like football and style. The only people that seem to want or can replicate that are ex United legends. Ole, Van Nistelrooy and Carrick are the only managers that have made us play the football we want.
Ole only failed because we went away from his hardworking counter attacking style when we signed a 38 year old Ronaldo and Sancho.
Ole with two different signings may have been better and you can't forget he finished 2nd in the Premier League.
I'd rather at this stage, 13 years since Fergie left, we do what Barca, Arsenal, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid have done and put in the ex player that really knows the fans, culture and style.
The midfield improvement has been clear against Man City and Arsenal which is a huge box ticked. He should get 2 new midfielders in the summer to work with too.
The only thing Carrick has left to show is that he can break down low blocks. If the assistant coach Steve Holland is part of why we're solid against City and Arsenal, the team need to prove we can break down more defensive teams in the next few games. Holland has been a key man for England in the past, I don't know if England were known to be good at breaking down low blocks defensive set ups.
If Carrick et al prove they can score goals against defensive set ups then I'm all in on Carrick being the next manager over a Tuchel/Nagelsmann/Ancelotti who could come in and simply not get Manchester United and try and rip things up again.
What is the percentage of managers who have come from a single league outside of the PL, and winning said PL, compared to the percentage of managers who have won it coming from England with PL experience.
Klopp only managed in the German league
Conte only managed in the Italian league
Enrique had only been in Spain until PSG
Guardiola had only been in Spain until Bayern (he also didn't win the CL with Bayern)
Mourinho only came from the Portugese league
Ancelotti only came from the Italian league
Wenger had only been in the French league and one season in Japan
Mancini only managed in the Italian league
Now Arne Slot in the Dutch league. You see what I'm saying?
Were these all red flags? Or is it that all the managers who have won the PL have mainly come from one league outside of the PL, in Europe. Including the Bundesliga which you say is a massive red flag. You say managers come here and struggle yet they are the only managers who come here and win anything at the same time. Perhaps its time we join the big boys and pick the right managers - regardless of what league they come from - and stop picking the shit ones - regardless of what league they come from.
Thats honestly not a bad idea. It would also just give us more options. For example I'm a big fan of Tuchel but I dint want him straight after the WC as itll ruin our pre-season. But if we retain Carrick for 26/27 and then re-evaluate, someine like him might be more feasible.
Thes poll results...
Xabi Alonso, ex-Liverpool player who will/should NEVER agree to be a United manager, and a recent managerial flop from star-studded Real, has more votes than Carrick and... both Nagelssman and Ancelotti
Xabi Alonso, ex-Liverpool player who will/should NEVER agree to be a United manager, and a recent managerial flop from star-studded Real, has more votes than Carrick and... both Nagelssman and Ancelotti
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Luis Enrique is a decent human being and a full blown bastard winning professional. His ego as a manager and player cannot be doubted and he has the trophies to back it up. He'd certainly be very tempted at being the MAN at Manchester United after playing for Real, Barcelona and managing Barcelona and Spain.
This was sort of my point earlier in thread about how we as fans act emotionally.... just because it's the latest 'news'. Same with pundits, everything is so reactionary - that's where we hope the board make decisions with time and taking emotions etc ... out of it.
De Zerbi should never be considered. Why are we even linked to him. He is not good enough.
I think so as well which is why I'd be surprised if he signed a long term deal with PSG.
He's an ambitious manager now that he's fully back in the flow of things.
Bringing United back to the big boys table would be a hell of a notch on his belt to go along with his Barca treble and winning PSG's first European crown
Hope we do our due diligence on that option at least over these next few months
I agree that managers like Tuchel, Nagelsmann, de Zerbi or even Alonso are strange picks. Lets see how Carrick continues but there is zero guarantee that they will do better
A bit harsh considering what he was sacked for, don't you think? Carrick has managed us for two games...Thes poll results...
Xabi Alonso, ex-Liverpool player who will/should NEVER agree to be a United manager, and a recent managerial flop from star-studded Real, has more votes than Carrick and... both Nagelssman and Ancelotti
Thes poll results...
Xabi Alonso, ex-Liverpool player who will/should NEVER agree to be a United manager, and a recent managerial flop from star-studded Real, has more votes than Carrick and... both Nagelssman and Ancelotti
I agree that it's very unlikely, but I would hardly say he flopped at Madrid. He quit because their overrated Prima donnas wouldn't buy in to the way he wanted to do things.
We right now are closer to Leverkusen than Madrid, and he won a first ever title for them, an invincible domestic cup double and got to the Europa League final in the same year.
Ancelotti is too old and not really someone that builds squads, Nagelsmann could be tied up for most of the summer with the world cup. Carrick hasn't achieved anything even remotely close to Alonso as a manager.
I wouldn't say that, requires highly technical players all over the pitch to play his brand of football and there's no guarantee it will succeed here.
I agree, Enrique might be good manager but his football requires a certain brand of players.
However; he is the only manager I see capable of getting close to challenging.
I no longer want De Zerbi. He was a risk when he was front runner at Brighton. Now he seems to have continued to be a front runner but let’s be honest unless he manages to win Marseille a title, what makes him elite?
He’s a very good manager but if we want a manager over Carrick they atleast have to be elite.
It should be Tuchel, Inzaghi, Enrique or Nagelsmann.
Otherwise keep Carrick.
He’s a very good manager but if we want a manager over Carrick they atleast have to be elite.
It should be Tuchel, Inzaghi, Enrique or Nagelsmann.
Otherwise keep Carrick.
I'd rather vote for the ones I definitely don't want... which is almost everyone on that list.
Special shout out to Tuchel, Glasner and De Zerbi though since they're supposedly on the shortlist.
Which is bonkers considering they have all have a track record of being nutcases who fall out with the board - especially since that's why Amorim was sacked.
Special shout out to Tuchel, Glasner and De Zerbi though since they're supposedly on the shortlist.
Which is bonkers considering they have all have a track record of being nutcases who fall out with the board - especially since that's why Amorim was sacked.
What board to Tuchel fallout with? It’s normally the players.
Glasner keeps losing players. He has a right to be aggrieved - but losing players at United hardly ever happens. If anything they refuse to leave.
De Zerbi, I agree.. seems like a complete madman.
It's paywalled but here's a few snippets of an Athletic article:
Next up was a very ugly fallout with Borussia Dortmund’s club bosses and some sections of the dressing room after a superb first season — 78 points in the Bundesliga set a new record for runners-up — and winning the DFB Pokal in his second.
Paris Saint-Germain? Two championships, two French Cups, one Champions League final appearance (the club’s one and only), and one massive argument with an insufferable sporting director who even meddled in set-piece routines...
...Will prospective employers look at his three consecutive fallings-out with those in charge and suspect there’s a pattern?
^from an article about his sacking post-fallout at Chelsea
Clearly there's some justification for fall-outs, but also if it happens three times then you have to question the person at the centre of all of them...
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Okay well that’s a clear view. The only thing I’ll say about that is, he still managed to perform. So eitherway it works.. he’s just got a big mouth
Technically he’s already fell out with Bellingham. So atleast he’s consistent.
2 year contract. Bring us some silverware and he can leave. Only good thing about our new set up. We don’t fold to wherever is currently managing the team.
Real sacking wasnt the only argument
Xabi is a an ex-Liverpool player and he will never, should never manage United. Not understanding that is being ignorant about entire history of United vs Liverpool and the rivalry