Stones has just named a list of managers that are going to the World Cup. Doubt there’s anything in there from the club.
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Hey Jaap....shut up.
> ‘Highly rated coaches’
> Pochettino
The feck
> Pochettino
The feck
I was all for him till it’s clear how temper mental he is. No way that works for us now. We need stability and not the ego my way before the clubs way. He would be here for a year and a half at most
Yeah if we want tempers then should go for a guaranteed winner like Conte instead anyway.
However, if Carrick wins most of the remaining games and gets us into Cl comfortably u have to give him the job.
Or the next Manager will be screwed by the comparison, even before he settles.
I think we need to be very wary of these “in vogue” managers who manage one or two good seasons. In most cases they then go on to fail. If we’re going down that route we may as well go with Carrick.
What we need is a proven manager who has demonstrated regular success over several seasons. However, typically these guys sign up for a few seasons and then move on. It’s very rare to find a manager who stays at a club for many seasons. So we need the club to have a recruitment function, a youth development function and a way of playing that persists over the long term thereby allowing for management changes. This way we avoid the madness we’ve seen over the past few years where each manager has demanded his own players to play his way.
What we need is a proven manager who has demonstrated regular success over several seasons. However, typically these guys sign up for a few seasons and then move on. It’s very rare to find a manager who stays at a club for many seasons. So we need the club to have a recruitment function, a youth development function and a way of playing that persists over the long term thereby allowing for management changes. This way we avoid the madness we’ve seen over the past few years where each manager has demanded his own players to play his way.
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If we knew conte is a guaranteed winner. What's the point of appointing anyone else?
Weird analogy. Conte is proven winner but give Carrick the job because?
Now off course that's assuming conte is available and wants to come. We need to make logical decision, not some next Fergie pipe dream.
Fergie was appointed because he's the best at that time, not because we predict he would be with us for the next 26 years in mind
Conte is also a temper just a guarantee winner temper. But definitely another temper case isn’t he?
If carrick has us playing the united way and we comfortably make CL then yeah. Considering 2 in ten minutes to Fulham was some nervy stuff but luckily the bounce hasn’t come off just yet. We believe it’s true for other clubs so we have to believe there’s something to it for us.
Either way it’s also the way we are playing which is strong besides those goals conceded but the club is idiotic for not bringing any reinforcements in January. We are so light in CM even a loan was necessary. If Casemiro or mainoo goes down what will we do?
We clearly have - because football has moved on.
The "feckin' perch" we once knocked Liverpool off has been occupied by City in recent years - and United fans don't take City seriously (rightly so - for the most part). Liverpool have never taken back their "perch" of old - their status (even when they do very well) is not comparable to their old "perch".
Fans of my generation will still hate Liverpool (and Leeds) - but it's not what it used to be (even for us).
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What is the argument for Nagelsmann? I really don’t see it with him.
I would assume it's the Vivell connection. I don't really see his style matching ours at all and a disaster waiting to happen.
It’s a very tricky situation for the owners… if Carrick gets us top 4 by playing some good football but then decide to hire someone els and he comes in next season and doesn’t start well then there will automatically be questions asked.
We just must move on from that idea. Being interim and full time manager are two completely different jobs.
IF world class manager is available (Tuchel, Enrique, Simeone) then we must hire him no matter what Carrick does.
Isn't that all of them on that list though?Pochettino
I wouldn't pursue any manager who has World Cup commitments.
Young (still only 38 years old), experienced (will already have managed Hoffenheim, Leipzig, Bayern and the German national team at a World Cup), tactically flexible (has played a mix of formations over the years), highly rated as a coach since he was in his 20's, and has a positive pre-existing relationship with our current Director of Recruitment
So the argument for him would be that you buy into the hype that has surrounded him for years as a talented coach, buy into the idea that he will have benefitted from his experience at a club like Bayern, buy into the idea that he would fit into our current sporting structure, and ultimately think we're where the long-touted wonderkid finally lives up to his potential.
It's not an argument I'd personally rush to appoint someone on, but I'd buy it sooner than I'd buy whatever Pochettino is selling.
I guess that’s fair. But ever since he managed us, I’m quite skeptical about him. He didn’t really impress me and I still don’t think he has improved enough for a big club.
I think if Pep leaves, we would be foolish not to get one of Tuchel or Enrique in. They’re proven winners and if Pep is out either one of those would instantly be the best manager in the EPL.
I love the job Carrick is doing but if Pep leaves that changes the math on everything.
I love the job Carrick is doing but if Pep leaves that changes the math on everything.
Am I being dumb or does this make no sense?
How so? Haha I thought I articulated my thoughts pretty well but maybe not
Why would getting either be reliant on Pep leaving? We should get one regardless if they’re the best man for the job.
It makes a lot of sense. Tuchel or Enrique would be the coach with the best track record if either comes into the league and Pep is gone.
Right. When was the last time we have been able to say we had the best coach in the league?
Yes we’ve spent money poorly over the years but given our spending power, having the best coach in the league should get is right in the mix for winning league titles again.
Why would we be any less foolish to get them if Pep stays? Or why would him leaving change the math?
Whether he stays or not, you still want to appoint the best possible manager you can. What he does has zero bearing on the choice.
Are they suggesting that we would then be competing with city for a new manager?
No de zebri in the poll??
Given the success of the summer transfer window, any manager has to be content with limited say in transfers and that in itself can be a blocker.
A big reason for our failure in the last decade has been because of pandering to managerial fantasies of transfer and not relying on an objective team of experts. Surely we cannot go back to a manager who says that incomings are either my way or the highway.
A big reason for our failure in the last decade has been because of pandering to managerial fantasies of transfer and not relying on an objective team of experts. Surely we cannot go back to a manager who says that incomings are either my way or the highway.
Makes sense. Good point
Who hasn't changed their votes to Carrick yet? Let's be having you....
Interestingly, Enrique votes seem to have gone up a bit over the past week, so whoever is switching to Carrick are likely doing so from other managers like Marco Silva, Xavi, McKenna, and the like.
Think we can be ruling out Howe as well I think.
I don’t get why he’s so highly rated by the press and by pundits.
If they don't pick Carrick, he is going to be a lead weight over anyone they dare appoint instead of him
It's because of the job he did at Bournemouth and winning a trophy with Newcastle but he has underperformed in the league relative to their resources
Not sure Carrick even wants permanent Utd job if offered
Yup agreed
What? Why do you think that
Can already see it.. Carrick gets us top 4 and they decided to appoint the latest flavour of the month from the continent with his patented Inverted tealady formation that has us floundering in 8th by Christmas