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Who should manage us next?


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Not convinced by Nagelsmann. Plays a ridiculous high line. We smashed his Leipzig team due to that reason.
I don't think one game 6 years ago is entirely relevant.

I still remember when we went to the away game needing a result and everyone on here was convinced we'd smash them because they're too naive and we beat them at home. They run all over us and dumped us out the group stage.


Having said that our squad is really vulnerable to any transition towards a higher defensive line, we have the slowest midfield ever created and the world's slowest collection of centre backs. And what's more our fans love our slow centre backs and slow midfield and don't seem to think it's an issue. Major changes needed in personnel to change our style which is where new managers are liable to fail as they have to work with the squad they've got.
 
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If we were in the Chmps League and still in domestic cups at this stage of the season then I am pretty sure the indications would be that we are playing well so no need for the dread.
Taken a bit literally. A few more domestic cup games not necessarily winning the competition, minimum 10 CL games if you finish in top 24 in the group stage.

All the extra injuries we'd have accumulated if we played those extra games.

You're crazy if you think we'd be sat in 3rd under this scenario.

Spurs must be playing well by your measure.
 
Have people actually followed Nagelsmann’s career or they just want the next hipster choice? A Bayern fan posted in this same thread about how he wasn’t very impressed by him during his time. Several posters have also said he’s too much of a risky manager who plays a way too high of a line (ETH vibes).

Let’s go for someone else.

There's nothing inherently wrong with playing a very high line. The team that currently plays the highest line in the league is, unsurprisingly, the team currently at the top of the table.

How suited our current squad is to playing a high line is a different matter.

But there isn't a manager I would want whose brand of football isn't somewhat ill-suited to our current squad, because our current squad is ill-suited to any brand of football that would plausibly challenge for league titles consistently.

It's not like there isn't a obvious compatability issue with the way someone like Enrique plays football either, for example. Arguably even more so in his case giving the heavy emphasis on technicality along with the deficiencies any manager would find in terms of physicality.
 
Didn't Nagelsmann play with a back 3 at Leipzig?
That's a fair point, back 3 mostly with Hoffenheim and Leipzig, but at his most recent jobs in Bayern and Germany he's mostly played back 4.


Alonso's only success as a manager has come with a back 3 at Leverkusen which puts me off him. Don't want to see that at United ever again after what Amorim put us through.
 
Didn't Nagelsmann play with a back 3 at Leipzig?

Yep, across his career he's played different back three and back four formations. Back threes moreso at Hoffenheim/Leipzig, back fours moreso at Bayern/Germany, but different variations with pretty much all of them.

In that sense he's the opposite of Amorim, where you're more likely to end up criticising him changing too much rather than not changing enough in terms of team shape.
 
Will wait to see out the season in terms of judgements on Carrick. He's got a couple things to solve over the coming weeks.
As of right now, it's a firm no.

Problem with the United job is pressure. It breaks anyone and everyone.

There's no evidence that Nagelsmann, Iraola or Glasner and co. can strike it at this club. We need someone with a unique and alien mentality.

So you've got to look at Enrique and Ancelotti.
Both have been at the only two clubs with as much or greater scrutiny and pressure as Manchester United and been successful.
Outside of that, maybe Alonso or Xavi could handle it.

We have to stop hiring crumbling managers. The level of demand here has broken every manager post-Fergie, except maybe Jose who was just washed instead.
 
Taken a bit literally. A few more domestic cup games not necessarily winning the competition, minimum 10 CL games if you finish in top 24 in the group stage.

All the extra injuries we'd have accumulated if we played those extra games.

You're crazy if you think we'd be sat in 3rd under this scenario.

Spurs must be playing well by your measure.
You’re 100% correct
Casemiro is so important to our midfield and he catches hack 2 games a week
Amongst all the other issues we’d bump into
 
Major changes needed in personnel to change our style which is where new managers are liable to fail as they have to work with the squad they've got.
This is very important that few seem to consider. We won't be getting 10 shiny new players at £80 million each. The new manager, whoever that is will have to get a tune out of what is already there and to accept they won't be getting all of their first choice signings.

If the new manager can get the current squad playing high line attacking football great but I think INEOS needs to make transfer likelihood clear to the manager before they bring them in, this should help avoid bringing in managers with unrealistic expectations of what is available.
 
Will wait to see out the season in terms of judgements on Carrick. He's got a couple things to solve over the coming weeks.
As of right now, it's a firm no.

Problem with the United job is pressure. It breaks anyone and everyone.

There's no evidence that Nagelsmann, Iraola or Glasner and co. can strike it at this club. We need someone with a unique and alien mentality.

So you've got to look at Enrique and Ancelotti.
Both have been at the only two clubs with as much or greater scrutiny and pressure as Manchester United and been successful.
Outside of that, maybe Alonso or Xavi could handle it.

We have to stop hiring crumbling managers. The level of demand here has broken every manager post-Fergie, except maybe Jose who was just washed instead.
What’s the point looking at those managers if they’re not coming here. Ancelotti apparently will extend contract and I don’t see Enrique coming here and work with squad which is not suited to the way he plays. He also said he’s happy at Paris.
 
Probably in the minority but I still like the idea of Xavi especially given that it would guarantee that we'd finally focus on our midfield in our recruitment and general play. Also very much believes in youth development.

Really haven't been many links with him at all so far during this process but I hope that we'd give him a look if we end up deciding on someone besides Carrick.
 
This is very important that few seem to consider. We won't be getting 10 shiny new players at £80 million each. The new manager, whoever that is will have to get a tune out of what is already there and to accept they won't be getting all of their first choice signings.

If the new manager can get the current squad playing high line attacking football great but I think INEOS needs to make transfer likelihood clear to the manager before they bring them in, this should help avoid bringing in managers with unrealistic expectations of what is available.
On the other hand, employing a manager to just continue what we currently are is ultimately going to lead us to nowhere.

Every manager has failed in their task of gradually improving the squad and the style over time whilst maintaining an acceptable minimum standard of results throughout. We just can't seem to get it right, but not helped by our terrible transfer dealings. But then I'd argue it's not just the quality of the signings, but often we've not even targeted the profile of player congruent with transforming the style of the team.
 
Didn't Nagelsmann play with a back 3 at Leipzig?
Alonso's only success as a manager has come with a back 3 at Leverkusen which puts me off him. Don't want to see that at United ever again after what Amorim put us through.
Starting formations are a meme. In Alonso's own words (translated):

  • "Formations are starting points. Spots on a board. Back 3? Back 4? It doesn't matter. The principles and behaviours inside the structure are what matters. Teams don't spend the 90 (minutes) glued to a position. There's fluidity, practical things in and out of possession."
  • "We don't talk much about the start formation - 3-2-4-1, 3-2-2-3. It's more about what we think might happen in the game. Positional play is important. For example, the more passes we give in their half the better position you end up in for counterpressing. If we start playing too vertical, too far and too quick to the other half, the players are spread out and the lines will be too far away from each other, so then it's impossible to press properly."

Alonso, Pep, Enrique, Inzaghi, Klopp, Conte and others have all talked about the importance of finding a way to attack with 5. Doesn't matter the starting formation. The goal is to have a 3-2-5 or 2-3-5 in possession to create overloads when you have the ball and an instant effective counterpress when you lose it.

I've never agreed with the narrative of us being more attacking/"United DNA" under Carrick than the last manager just because of the starting formation. Shaw's still playing as a LCB for all intents. We now attack with 4 under Carrick. (Sesko, Mbeumo, Cunha, Bruno). Dalot occassionally joins in, but rarely and it's not ideal. We're suddenly unable to press at all.

Under Amorim we had the 5 that top coaches aim for. Sesko up front. Amad and Dorgu wide. Cunha + Mbeumo in the half-spaces, which suited both of their games. We were more patient in the build-up like Alonso talks about in the second quote ("playing too vertical"), and these two things combined gave us an actual pressing structure for the first time in years.

Our biggest problem under the last manager usually came when Bruno joined in, we attacked/pressed with 6 and then got beat up on transition if our initial press was bypassed.
 
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The options aren’t looking great. Surprised Iraola isn’t being linked more, at least he’s prem proven, even though it would be another risk with a manager who hasn’t managed a top club before.
 
Starting formations are a meme. In Alonso's own words (translated):

  • "Formations are starting points. Spots on a board. Back 3? Back 4? It doesn't matter. The principles and behaviours inside the structure are what matters. Teams don't spend the 90 (minutes) glued to a position. There's fluidity, practical things in and out of possession."
  • "We don't talk much about the start formation - 3-2-4-1, 3-2-2-3. It's more about what we think might happen in the game. Positional play is important. For example, the more passes we give in their half the better position you end up in for counterpressing. If we start playing too vertical, too far and too quick to the other half, the players are spread out and the lines will be too far away from each other, so then it's impossible to press properly."

Alonso, Pep, Enrique, Inzaghi, Klopp, Conte and others have all talked about the importance of finding a way to attack with 5. Doesn't matter the starting formation. The goal is to have a 3-2-5 or 2-3-5 in possession to create overloads when you have the ball and an instant effective counterpress when you lose it.

I've never agreed with the narrative of us being more attacking/"United DNA" under Carrick than the last manager just because of the starting formation. Shaw's still playing as a LCB for all intents. We now attack with 4 under Carrick. (Sesko, Mbeumo, Cunha, Bruno). Dalot occassionally joins in, but rarely and it's not ideal. We're suddenly unable to press at all.

Under Amorim we had the 5 that top coaches aim for. Sesko up front. Amad and Dorgu wide. Cunha + Mbeumo in the half-spaces, which suited both of their games. We were more patient in the build-up like Alonso talks about in the second quote ("playing too vertical"), and these two things combined gave us an actual pressing structure for the first time in years.

Our biggest problem under the last manager usually came when Bruno joined in, we attacked/pressed with 6 and then got beat up on transition if our initial press was bypassed.

There were loads of problems under the last manager's system. We had 3 CBs marking one opposition striker leaving us short on numbers where we needed them - in midfield. We often got no pressure on the ball in front of our defensive line as we had extra player in the defensive line rather than protecting in front of the defence. I'm not convinced Mbeumo or Cunha were consistently effective in the half space. We often had two inverted wide players on the same side which created a horrendous balance in attack. The wing backs were often left out wide alone to do it themselves with no support and no overlap opportunities.

If starting formations didn't matter every manager would play the same and there would be no variation at all. The difference in shape and therefore personnel choices is clear compared to what we're playing now vs what Amorim was doing.

The vast majority, maybe all of the best teams you can name over the last 20 years who have had both league/CL wins together are back 4 sides. Luis Enrique's Barca/PSG, Pep's Barca/City, Klopp's Liverpool, Heynckes Bayern, Ferguson's United, Ancelotti's Madrid, Flick's Bayern, Mourinho's Inter etc.
 
I like Iraola too and he's done a great job at Bournemouth, but I'm wary that at Bournemouth he doesn't get a lot of scrutiny outside of his own club.

Bournemouth often go through winless spells of several games, (I think it was 10 quite recently?), and it's barely commented upon in the media. Then he gets them back on track, he wins 2 or 3 on the bounce, and he's flavour of the month again.

At United, if it's 2 games without a win, he's under pressure straight away. 3 games without a win and it's "crisis".

I'm just wondering if it's too big a jump for him, like it was for Ruben. I'd like to see how he did with a bigger club like a Newcastle or Villa first. If he turned them into genuine heavyweights, say title contenders, then we'd know he'd be a good candidate for United.
That’s a very fair shout mate.
 
I like Iraola too and he's done a great job at Bournemouth, but I'm wary that at Bournemouth he doesn't get a lot of scrutiny outside of his own club.

Bournemouth often go through winless spells of several games, (I think it was 10 quite recently?), and it's barely commented upon in the media. Then he gets them back on track, he wins 2 or 3 on the bounce, and he's flavour of the month again.

At United, if it's 2 games without a win, he's under pressure straight away. 3 games without a win and it's "crisis".

I'm just wondering if it's too big a jump for him, like it was for Ruben. I'd like to see how he did with a bigger club like a Newcastle or Villa first. If he turned them into genuine heavyweights, say title contenders, then we'd know he'd be a good candidate for United.
100% spot on.
See Thomas Frank as well. These Moyes style managers who have a certain type of club and glass ceiling.

It feels like we need someone with experience of being around a huge club, ideally as manager, but not on the way down like with Jose and Van Gaal.
If we can't get the right type of manager we might as well stick with Carrick into next season on say an 18month deal.
 
100% spot on.
See Thomas Frank as well. These Moyes style managers who have a certain type of club and glass ceiling.

It feels like we need someone with experience of being around a huge club, ideally as manager, but not on the way down like with Jose and Van Gaal.
If we can't get the right type of manager we might as well stick with Carrick into next season on say an 18month deal.
Not all of them are the same, some cannot make the step up, some can.

I do not think there are any available managers, who have experienced the kind pressure at United, so that shouldn’t be a make or break criteria.
 
Taken a bit literally. A few more domestic cup games not necessarily winning the competition, minimum 10 CL games if you finish in top 24 in the group stage.

All the extra injuries we'd have accumulated if we played those extra games.

You're crazy if you think we'd be sat in 3rd under this scenario.

Spurs must be playing well by your measure.
Just trying to ease your mind over something that has not even happened
Better to have a glass half full than half empty attitude as it makes the day better.
 
its hard to pick a manager when what we have had is better than most on the list
 
I just pray that they don't end up doing something completely nuts like offering it to Martinez or god forbid Pochettino. I don't like De Zerbi either due to the whole way he criticised club over handling of Greenwood
Funny you say that. Despite the lack of chatter around him. I have a strong feeling that if Carrick doesn't get the job, Poch will be the man.
 
Patrice Evra


Trouble with us getting him is he’d have to rip this squad up from bottom to top. He loves his technical players. He got rid of donnarumma who is one of the best in the world due to it. He’d need about 500m just for the midfield alone. This fan base wouldn’t give him the time he’d need as we’d see dodgy results before it improves.
 
He got rid of donnarumma who is one of the best in the world due to it.

Donnarumma has played more games for Enrique than any other coach.

PSG got rid for a number of reasons. But Enrique is pragmatic and has worked with a huge variety of players during his time as a coach.
 
Can I ask why you have shifted on Iraola?

I really enjoy watching the football they play, I think there finishing has let them down and would be higher up the table if they had better finishing.

After having his first choice defense raided last summer, I think to get them to where they are he has done a great job.
Assuming Enrique turns it down, I'm with this. Iraola is proven in the league at this point. He's got his team basically even on goal difference again after losing almost his entire defence. 4 at the back. Team runs a ton. Doing very well with younger players.

I think he'd suit our current attacking players really nicely. We need a couple of new midfielders anyways and he's done well with younger defenders overall and athletes without great minds like Dalot (Kerkez) at RB . Bring him in, forget about buying a LW, he can make it work with the present talent and spend that money on another mobile CM or defender he needs for a higher line.

Trouble with us getting him (Luis Enrique) is he’d have to rip this squad up from bottom to top. He loves his technical players. He got rid of donnarumma who is one of the best in the world due to it. He’d need about 500m just for the midfield alone. This fan base wouldn’t give him the time he’d need as we’d see dodgy results before it improves.
I'll guess he'd look at our first XI in his first year like this:

LW--------Sesko/Mbuemo----Amad
----Mainoo------------CM-------
----------------DM------------------
LB---Lisandro-DeLigt------Mazraoui

and he'd push for Bruno and Cunha to be sold, Maguire to go and use the money to buy some young, technically skilled players who can keep the ball.
 
Along with the right manager, we need to address midfield and need more competition in the squad.

We‘ve been going through this cycle of uninspired performances over and over, and need a manager that can back his discipline up by replacing players.

There needs to be accountability up and down through the club.
 
I can't see Luis Enrique leaving PSG to join us tbh. As of managers there's not much to choose out there. I hope that

a- we don't go for a manager whose specialized in 3 men CB system.
b- our manager is comfortable with being a head coach

My no 1 choice for manager would be Emery. As outsiders I would go for Toral (Villareal), Fabregas (Como) and Christian Ilzer (Hoffenheim)
 
Have people actually followed Nagelsmann’s career or they just want the next hipster choice? A Bayern fan posted in this same thread about how he wasn’t very impressed by him during his time. Several posters have also said he’s too much of a risky manager who plays a way too high of a line (ETH vibes).

Let’s go for someone else.
ETH didn't play a high line. Indeed one of the most ridiculous things about his tactics was that he had our attackers push very high but our defenders sitting deep. That's why all the space was between the two groups, with one poor midfielder trying to cover all that space by himself and constantly being completely overrun by opposition teams.

I'm pretty sure ETH played the deepest defensive line out of all our permanent PL managers. Even in his relatively good first season there were only 6 teams in the league with a deeper line, and that dropped to only 5 teams sitting deeper in his second.