Have always remained a fan of Nagelsmann despite that kamikaze high line he played for Leipzig. Feel like he might (emphasise that) be that guy to get us over the line after a few seasons of challenging for the big two trophiesOn the other hand he was praised for his work by players like Kimmich and Muller. His tactical detail and preperation were specifically highlighted as very strong points. He can adapt systems and that is also a big plus for me. For me, Nagelsmann seems to have some specific qualities that are perfect for working on the areas that we have been lacking the most for quite some time. It would be nice to finally have a tactically sound manager who is also hailed for his high-intensity and tactical training methods.
Nagelsmann managed an average of 2,31 points per game at Bayern and was followed up by Tuchel, who only got to 1,95 points per game. As reference: Guardiola averaged 2,41 at Bayern.
Obviously Nagelsmann was fired when losing 1st place in the Bundesliga on matchday 25, also with some rumours that there were troubles with players, which was debunked by Kimmich after he was fired.
I can imagine some Bayern fans not being that impressed at they thought they would have secured a long term manager with the German wonderkid manager Nagelsmann, but in my opinion you can't say he failed hard at Bayern.
Van Gaal was far worse at Bayern than Nagelsmann and we also signed van Gaal, so I say we get over some disappointed Bayern fans and get Nagelsmann in the summer.
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Isn't Van Gaal seen as incredibly important in Bayern's revival? He ruffled feathers but I have seen multiple Bayern fans credit him massively with what they then later became through their more successful managers.On the other hand he was praised for his work by players like Kimmich and Muller. His tactical detail and preperation were specifically highlighted as very strong points. He can adapt systems and that is also a big plus for me. For me, Nagelsmann seems to have some specific qualities that are perfect for working on the areas that we have been lacking the most for quite some time. It would be nice to finally have a tactically sound manager who is also hailed for his high-intensity and tactical training methods.
Nagelsmann managed an average of 2,31 points per game at Bayern and was followed up by Tuchel, who only got to 1,95 points per game. As reference: Guardiola averaged 2,41 at Bayern.
Obviously Nagelsmann was fired when losing 1st place in the Bundesliga on matchday 25, also with some rumours that there were troubles with players, which was debunked by Kimmich after he was fired.
I can imagine some Bayern fans not being that impressed at they thought they would have secured a long term manager with the German wonderkid manager Nagelsmann, but in my opinion you can't say he failed hard at Bayern.
Van Gaal was far worse at Bayern than Nagelsmann and we also signed van Gaal, so I say we get over some disappointed Bayern fans and get Nagelsmann in the summer.
Him too. I'll be paying close attention to him next week. Silva impressed me in our last game with Fulham. With Howe...his midfield is really strong, so I don't quite know how to judge him. Emery is proven and I think his time at Arsenal acclimatized him to the league....I feel he has a good understanding now.
But you're right, Carrick has a really good chance.
If current form continues and we comfortably make it into the CL, you almost have to give it to Carrick. Might be on a shorter term contract...no more than 2 years...but he will have earned it.
I am interested in knowing why you describe Nagelsmann as a kid with with a far less resume than reputation but see an elote manager in Iraola, who has managed mid table with Bournemouth Rayo Vallecano.
Iraola is 5 years older and has 5 seasons of management at the highest level onder his belt, bringen Vallecano to 12th place 2 years in a row, after which he got Bournemouth to 12th, 9th and 10th place.
Nagelsmann, dispite being 5 years younger and coaching the German national team since 2023, has had 7 full seasons of highest level coaching (at club level) under his belt. That includes coaching at Bayern with the pressure and media attention similar to United. He started at Hoffenheim in 15/16 when the club was 17th after 20 matchdays with 14 points, 7 points behind the safe 15th place. 14 games later, they finished 15th with 37 points.
The 3 seasons after he led them to 3th, 4th and 9th place. Took over at RB Leipzig and got them to 3th and 2nd, before managing Bayern and winning the championship before getting sacked in his second season after they lost first place to Borussia after 25 games.
In my opinion, you can hardly say that wat he has done, especially at Hoffenheim taking over at age 28, is far less impressive than his reputation.
Take it you don't think his ceiling is higher then?
I dont think Silva has the temparement for a club like Man Utd.
Would they really only do a 2 year deal though?
Cause he's not even 40 and has never achieved anything of note. Got a shot at a big club and got sacked pretty quickly.
Iraola is also a kid in management terms. I said Iraola might be an elite manager, Nagelsmann also might be eventually but people seem to talk about him as though he already is one.
Yeah Emery can be quite explosive as well
Give it to Bruno.
Oh yeah he's definitely not at elite level yet
I agree. If Nagelsmann was 42 when he started at Hoffenheim there would be far less hype.
Ancelotti, Enrique or bust for me.
I fear Iraola, Emery etc. while great managers, will struggle with United's pressures and the man-management aspect of this role.
Nagelsmann an option but still a bit of a risk, he's also spent around 3 years in NT level so he may need some time to adjust when managing a club - Will need to look at how he does at the WC too (Might be too late then).
All things considered, Carrick is not looking like a bad choice - But we have time to make this choice, and we could probably negotiate a shorter term contract (2 years or less like another poster mentioned) if we were to make this choice. Having someone like Carrick consistently getting us top 4 for a couple more years (I think he's capable of doing that) will also help attract a top manager in the long term.
Based on current form - If City implode a little more and we keep this going, we're in with a shout of finishing 2nd! Things can go the other way just as easily (As early as the next game), so I'll be cautiously optimistic till the end of the season.
I fear Iraola, Emery etc. while great managers, will struggle with United's pressures and the man-management aspect of this role.
Nagelsmann an option but still a bit of a risk, he's also spent around 3 years in NT level so he may need some time to adjust when managing a club - Will need to look at how he does at the WC too (Might be too late then).
All things considered, Carrick is not looking like a bad choice - But we have time to make this choice, and we could probably negotiate a shorter term contract (2 years or less like another poster mentioned) if we were to make this choice. Having someone like Carrick consistently getting us top 4 for a couple more years (I think he's capable of doing that) will also help attract a top manager in the long term.
Based on current form - If City implode a little more and we keep this going, we're in with a shout of finishing 2nd! Things can go the other way just as easily (As early as the next game), so I'll be cautiously optimistic till the end of the season.
Pretty sure that Ancelotti has confirmed he wishes to extend deal with Brazil, Enrique hasn't done that yet but there seems too much noise he will do
Yeah, but that was subsequently viewed as a fault on Bayern's part as much or more so than Nagelsmann's.
He won the league in his first season. And even at the time the sacking in the second season was seen as somewhat harsh by outsiders as Bayern were still in a strong position.
Favourites to win the Bundesliga, one point off top. Favourites to win the German Cup, already in the QFs. And second favouites behind City for the Champions League, having won all of their games up to that point on an aggregate of 21-2, including group stage games against Barca and knockout games against PSG.
But Bayern's goal for that season was specifically to win the treble, and in their infinite wisdom Kahn & Salihamidzic decided Thomas Tuchel was a better bet to do it, having already won the CL with Chelsea.
So they replaced Nagelsmann with Tuchel. At which point they were promptly knocked out of both cup competitions, scraped the league title on goal difference, Kahn & Salihamidzic were sacked, and Tuchel went on to lead them to their first failure to win the league in over a decade the following season.
The upshot of all of which was Bayern, in the shape of Uli Hoeness at least, admiting it was a mistake:
As per the likes of Romano & The Athletic, Bayern then reportedly attempted to re-hire Nagelsmann in 2024, only for him to turn them down.
So while he did get fired, and I'm sure Bayern fans could point to plenty of faults on Nagelsmann's part, the context was such that he emerged from it with his reputation relatively unscathed, as their own approach to bring him back suggests.
Who?
Tbh I have no idea. I’m not convinced that the job is very technical anymore. Not if you are good at using the people avilable to you.
Thirty years ago it was very different. We relied on the eye test of the manager when bringing in players. His ability to analyse the opponent before and during games. He probably even had a huge say in how to coach then physically. That is very different now with the huge staff of expertise.
If Carrick makes good use of the people available to him, and Wilcox ensures that the people available are pretty damn clever at their area of expertise, alot comes down to man-management, communication and temperament.
If we could get someone like Hansi Flick or Luis Enrique we should. But if the options are Nagelsmann or Silva/Iraola, that feels like just as much of a gamle as Amorim or Thomas Frank. Maybe we should just aim to strengthen the team around Carrick? Holland seems like a brilliant move. Are there others like that who complement the team well?
A lot of those names don't make much sense either. Sure Glasner and Ireola have clubs but waiting 6 months to get someone who was attainable when you sacked the last guy seems a bit pointless. I would argue similar for Emery.
As much as we should not rush a decision, those three in particular signal either we missed out on primary targets or we weren't all that prepared. I'd give the job to Carrick over those three - probably over De Zerbi too.
I'm not sold on Nagelsman but delaying a permanent appointment means it should really be a manager who will be at the world cup or Enrique (or someone currently at a top club like Flick)
So this takes away the top 2 choices (if they were ever even in the mix) - Experienced, winning managers who can handle big clubs/egos.
Maybe we look at Flick but that’ll likely work out similar to Carlo/Enrique.
I can’t really pick out anyone else from the tier below (All are risky options imo).
Carrick for me then on a 2 year contract, and hope for the best - guys like Holland can hopefully help bridge that experience gap. If he gets us CL for a couple of seasons, we can then look at a manager that could get us over the hump.
Yeah maybe Nagelsmann will be ready in two years or perhaps even Enrique finally fancies managing us
Genuinely, what's with the fascination for Nagels man? He looks like a doofus, has no standing as a former footballer and clearly does not look like a fit for English football let alone Manchester United. It'd be another Ten Hag style appointment.
There's no need for fascination.
Nagelsmann is an excellent football coach. You can see this at every club he's worked at so far and with the German National Team right now. There were steady and reasonably reliable rumors, that Ineos wanted him as the head coach before and therefore any links right now make perfect sense.
And what does it matter how he looks? Arteta looks like a moron on the sideline pretty much every weekend, yet he'll probably win Arsenal the first league title in god knows how many years.
Both Ferguson and Mourinho didn't have the most stellar playing careers. Didn't make them bad managers.
The Club or Carrick?
It would obviously suit the club!
Hope Ogden is wrong. If not, we might as well go with Carrick.
Strong no to Nagelsman and Glasner. Also Emery and his counter-style.
With Luis Enrique off the table we should run the rule over Cesc Fàbregas. In all likelihood he will say no to us (still an inexperienced coach so it might be too much too soon from his perspective, aside from his history as a player at Arsenal) but we should at least give it a proper try. Some of the other options, like Glasner, are not too exciting — rather stick with Carrick and see what he has to offer than appoint them.
- With regard to style of play, Como are one of the more aesthetically pleasing and effective teams you will come across in present-day football. 4231 base structure on most occasions (i.e., not a departure from what we are currently implementing), 1st for possession in Serie A, 1st for progressive passes, 3rd highest goalscoring rate and 2nd for goals allowed (which highlights the balance in their approach). Underlying statistics are quite sound, and they have lost only 15% of their matches this season in all competitions, so what they are doing does not seem to be a fluke and it could be a model that scales to higher levels.
- Unlike up-and-coming imports like Amorim, Fàbregas has intimate knowledge of Premier League football (which comes with its own set of challenges and barriers). 8 years at Arsenal and 5 years at Chelsea — that background should hold him in good stead.
- Experience in high-pressure situations, having participated in the finals of the World Cup, European Championship, Champions League, FA Cup and so forth. Was also named captain of Arsenal at only 21 years of age.
- A significant chunk of the best coaches of the modern period, including Guardiola and Ancelotti, learned from great coaches in their playing days. Fàbregas trained under the likes of Wenger, del Bosque, Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte. That should, in theory, give him a comprehensive outlook and tactical depth.
- A matter of timing. Arsenal are on track to win the Premier League so Arteta's standing should be secure for the near future, Barcelona seem reasonably good under Flick, Kompany is doing very well at Bayern Munich, Paris SG have Luis Enrique. The competition for his signature is not going to be as intense as it could have been.
Yep!
Why is it such a strong no to Nagelsmann?
Why not add De Zerbi and his maniac mentality? Opposite of calm.
If Nagelsman likes to play with 3 10s than he’s perfect for us at the moment
I decided to change my vote to other ( there was I have no idea) because since Fergie other than Moyes who I didn't like or want, I approved of every other managerial appointment . Since I have been wrong about all of them, I will keep my opinions on our next manager to myself.
I was a huge fan of his as a player despite the involvement in pizzagate in 2004. I was really hoping we would sign him in summer 2013 but never looked like leaving Barca. My biggest concern with him is that he hasn't yet managed at a higher level club which you need before managing Utd.
Not to knock Fàbregas, but I remember seeing the very same videos on Amoirm from The Athletic....
There are many "next big things" until they come to the Prem and get punched in the nose!
I do agree though, that Fàbregas has got a lot of great traits and experience, though more so from his playing days. Of your list, Carrick also checks a lot of those boxes.
What would you value more - 20 games from Carrick in the job, with what is looking like CL football?
Or Fàbregas with an all be it better/more varied football career and exposure to more managers as a player, and two seasons at Como?
Depending on how the season ends, this is the best option for us at the moment. If he ends the season having maintained how he started he is likely to finish 3rd, with an outside chance of 2nd. That would be beyond anyone's wildest dreams.
As for us, we still have a bit of building to do and we need someone that knows the requirements that are asked of a Man Utd player, who is also humble enough to sacrifice his ego for the common good and who is smart enough to wait on imposing his style, go for the simple stuff until he has the required tools. Carrick is the anti Amorim in every respect and those are the steady hands you need to embark on a rebuild with.
Then, in two years, we will hopefully have a squad suited to the demands of the modern game with a high technical and physical floor and we can afford to be adventurous with regard to philosophy and style. Bringing in another system specific manager with the squad we have is just sending another lamb to the slaughter and condemning ourselves to long cycles of build and rebuild. We need the stability that Carrick is giving us now so that Wilcox and his team can continue the rebuild in the background.
That's a pretty wrong statement mainly because it is nonsensical. The situations of Bayern when Van Gaal took over and when Nagelsmann took over are diametrically opposite.On the other hand he was praised for his work by players like Kimmich and Muller. His tactical detail and preperation were specifically highlighted as very strong points. He can adapt systems and that is also a big plus for me. For me, Nagelsmann seems to have some specific qualities that are perfect for working on the areas that we have been lacking the most for quite some time. It would be nice to finally have a tactically sound manager who is also hailed for his high-intensity and tactical training methods.
Nagelsmann managed an average of 2,31 points per game at Bayern and was followed up by Tuchel, who only got to 1,95 points per game. As reference: Guardiola averaged 2,41 at Bayern.
Obviously Nagelsmann was fired when losing 1st place in the Bundesliga on matchday 25, also with some rumours that there were troubles with players, which was debunked by Kimmich after he was fired.
I can imagine some Bayern fans not being that impressed at they thought they would have secured a long term manager with the German wonderkid manager Nagelsmann, but in my opinion you can't say he failed hard at Bayern.
Van Gaal was far worse at Bayern than Nagelsmann and we also signed van Gaal, so I say we get over some disappointed Bayern fans and get Nagelsmann in the summer.
Van Gaal set a large part of the blueprint of football for the Bayern teams since and he put Bayern back on the map in Europe by kicking us out of CL and making the final when they were massive underdogs and had fallen far from the top of European football.
Nagelsmann took over a winning machine and then proceeded to be a hyperactive loudmouth while being outcoached by Emery to lose to Villareal in the CL, which is basically all Bayern fans care about at this point.
That being said, appointing Nagelsmann now would still be a better decision than our appointing van Gaal in 2014.
Enrique, please.
Exactly! That’s the quote I was thinking of.Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face- Mike Tyson
Maybe a bit surprised that there is not more talks about Enzo Maresca?
A) Not given Pep will quit
B) Not given City will offer Enzo the job if he do
C) Jason Wilcox hired him as coach for Elite Development squad at City in 2020. Omar Berrada was heavily involved when they hired him again as assistent to Pep. Wilcox apparantly tried hiring him at Southampton.
Furthermore, did a decent job at Chelsea compared to the guys who came before him (and likely the guy who came after him).
It is actually a tempting bet.
A) Not given Pep will quit
B) Not given City will offer Enzo the job if he do
C) Jason Wilcox hired him as coach for Elite Development squad at City in 2020. Omar Berrada was heavily involved when they hired him again as assistent to Pep. Wilcox apparantly tried hiring him at Southampton.
Furthermore, did a decent job at Chelsea compared to the guys who came before him (and likely the guy who came after him).
It is actually a tempting bet.
Didn’t United thump Leipzig with that high line when they came to OT?