It's evident that is going to be Carrick. All major managers had either renewed their contract or had made it obvious they want to stay at their current club
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Yeah it’ll be Carrick I think. Fairly content with that too.
If he gets us 3rd he deserves the job, I’d offer him a 2 year contract but he will probably want 3 years
He won't go to Liverpool as a DoF. It would put huge pressure on Slot or a new manager and as soon as they have some bad results the fans would be calling to get Klopp back in the dugout.
If you honestly think saying all he did was move cones was a reasonable take then I don’t know what to say to you.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Everytime they have bad results, fans will start calling for Klopp.
So, yes please.
Yeah, seems pretty evident it'll be Carrick. Laurie Whitwell was on the Stretford Paddock and said that United had not approached anyone in an official capacity yet. Obviously United aren't going to publicly court anyone while Champions League is still up in the air for us, and we are hardly going to be privy to backchannel discussions, but I just don't think Ineos are going to risk appointing a new manager (and him failing) when Carrick is doing well and is obviously well liked by the both the fans and the players.
Enrique hasn‘t shown he can perform with a less than top level squad, as evidenced by his stints at Roma and Celta.
Having him here with a mismatched squad could be a recipe for disaster.
Problem is, he’s shown he’s capable of a lot more than Carrick, who hasn’t shown he can achieve anything at all as of yet. I was very open minded about him coming here as an interim and seeing how he got on, but the performances have worried me. Very similar to ole, where most wouldn’t look past results at the worrying downward trend in performances. In the end results generally always correct themselves and match performances.
As I said when Ole was appointed, I can’t really blame the decision based on results, but I can fully envision it becoming another shit show before too long, and everyone will then be calling the decision. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I just have very little evidence to reassure me in terms of his previous endeavours as a head coach.
Pleased De Zerbi looks like going to Spurs, as it removes him as an option. Only downside is they can't hire him and Poch.
My main worry was - to be honest - that they'd hire him permanently.
Like they did with Ole (who also did exceptionally well as an interim - on the whole).
Do we trust Wilcox?
(Are we supposed to trust Wilcox - is he actually the one we're supposed to trust...or distrust?)
I didn't need Laurie to tell me that. I mean think about it. This admin came in promising best in class etc. Their first moves were to hire the worst manager in United's recent history and to hire and then sack the best in class DOF. The latter probably left because he didn't like the appointment of the former. Thus the Berrada/Wilcox admin are walking on very thin ice. Then we hire a manager whose popular among fans, whose cheap and who can't stop winning games. How on earth can they sell the idea of United hiring yet another hipster manager instead? What would happen if the next hipster manager tanks just as Amorim did?
I know that someone will that Amorim was Berrada's idea but quite frankly that doesn't really matter. Wilcox is Berrada's man. He got the job and his promotion because of his links with the man. If Berrada leaves then Wilcox will probably follow. The next CEO would probably not want to work with his predecessor's CEO especially since he's got so little experience in the job
They have no option. (Read my previous post).
I will back Carrick 100%, but I think it's almost certainly not going to work out long term. The deficiencies are clear as day, and I don't think we will have a strong enough summer window to overcome them with a strong squad.
Well, yes - no other viable option.
(Among big-name, obvious candidates.)
Fine - reality does play its part, I get that.
The question still remains: Does Wilcox (and by extension, United's management on the football side) know what the feck he's doing?
(You see: I'm more concerned with that question than anything else.)
To be clear: I'm not really satisfied with United giving Carrick a permanent contract just because Whoever isn't available (and Carrick has done a decent interim job). That's not reassuring at all.
Yeah, agreed completely. They just don't have the goodwill/credibility to risk sticking their neck out. It would be one thing if Ancelotti, Enrique, possibly even Tuchel were willing but there's no way they take the chance on even someone like Nagelsmann who isn't fully a proven fail-proof top of the line manager.
I remember when United first appointed Wilcox/Berrada/Ashworth, someone on here (may have been @stefan92 ?) was pointing out how none of these people have actually ever built a club-wide playing style or even appointed a manager before. The only exception here was Wilcox who had appointed Russel Martin at Southampton. Martin did get Southampton promoted on the first time of asking but that is hardly the most stellar record. Ashworth walked into Brighton with Potter already in charge and left before De Zerbi got appointed.
United should really try to get a more experienced DoF who has done this type of work before, even if he hasn't appointed managers for an elite club (I'm thinking like Max Eberl being poached by Bayern from RB Leipzig level, doesn't have to be a Luis Campos type).
He has shown he can win PL games at a very impressive rate with the current squad. Something his predecessor was incapable of. That’s significant even if questions remain about how sustainable it is.
The fact that we look so much more compact and better organized in defence is a pretty good indicator of a decent base level though.
One thing many (including myself) tend to forget is that Wilcox/Berrada are INEOS appointees. INEOS are minority shareholders at the club who are being allowed to play real life FM out of the majority owner's good will. When Berrada/Wilcox fecks up then they look bad and INEOS look bad as well. It's already hard enough for the Glazers not to be able to take dividends, the last thing they want is for United not to make it to CL qualifications and having to sack yet another manager. That all money 'taken' out of their own pockets.
Wilcox's policy seem to reflect that. Gone are the days of the hipster manager's moves and big signings from abroad. United seem shifting on essentially two strategies ie EPL proven players and young talent from abroad on pocket money. We're refusing to spend big or pay huge salaries as well. I am not arguing whether this strategy is wrong or not. Quite frankly I think its a good strategy though I can't help thinking if it is even sustainable (there's a limit pool of available talent in the EPL and most of that would be prohibitive to buy). But everything seems pointing at a very cautious administration whose afraid to mess up again.
As you said, I would rather see us go for a Luis Campos type of DOF. On the other hand would Luis Campos accept being summoned to Iceland in the middle of the season to be lectured about football by Brexit Jim? Hence maybe getting someone from Southampton was by design just as it was by design to appoint Murtough as DOF and promote Fletcher as technical director back in the day. It takes a level of football maturity for an owner to take a back seat and let the professionals work, something even Qatar had to learn the hard way.
This happened to Ole at the end of the season when he first took over:
As long as that doesn't happen with Carrick I'm happy to continue with him next season.
As long as that doesn't happen with Carrick I'm happy to continue with him next season.
If Carrick does take over I hope they make some coaching hires. He currently has the people he could bring with him mid way through the season. But it would be good to add another old head or two in there as well.
Well, whether it's Carrick or not one thing they definitely can't do is announce it before the end of the season.This happened to Ole at the end of the season when he first took over:
As long as that doesn't happen with Carrick I'm happy to continue with him next season.
This happened to Ole at the end of the season when he first took over:
As long as that doesn't happen with Carrick I'm happy to continue with him next season.
The problem was not the form near the end of the season. He used Lingard as a false #9 to create opportunities for Rashford and Martial when he arrived, but the league eventually adjusted and the chronic issues reappeared. This happens. The problem is what came after. People often forget, but we were dire and rudderless on the pitch for nearly two-thirds of the following season. £150 million (and numerous renewals that continue to haunt us) had not moved a single inch (record 9-8-8 with uninspired performances) until Fernandes stepped in. The worst part is that for the past six years, this has been the only strategy: give the ball to Bruno. The manager is there to implement an identity and provide guidance as the team develops step by step. I can't blame people for seeing shades of Solskjaer in Carrick tactically. He and McKenna were heavily involved, after all. If INEOS want to waste another war-chest on the same ideas, that's their prerogative. But our main problem in the post-SAF era is that we're not getting our money's worth on the pitch. We're also about half a generation into pure mediocrity. We laugh at the notion now but if this continues the well will run dry.
Don't mind Carrick getting a two year deal, as long as Steve Holland stays as his assistant.
Ideally we get CL qualification for next two seasons. Then potentially look at someone like Luis Enrique to take the club forward that next step.
Ideally we get CL qualification for next two seasons. Then potentially look at someone like Luis Enrique to take the club forward that next step.
Holland staying is the key for me. If you can bring in another high level coach of that level to maybe replace Woodgate, you have the makings of something very positive.
So we're saying he needs to be propped up by his assistant?
Hardly a glowing endorsement.
The fact that United haven't "officially" approached anyone, doesn't surprise me. I'm sure there's talks happening in the background through back channels and between intermediaries. Right now we still do not know in which competitions we're playing next season and for quite a while it looked like another shambolic campaign unfolding. Once(if) CL is confirmed, I'm sure the number of rumors will spike again and we'll see some movement quite quickly.
If the people in charge seriously haven't been looking around and started considering options for available top class managers, then they aren't really doing their job and should be sacked Tomorrow. Hiring an ex player as an interim and giving him the job permanently after a decent run of form, doesn't sound like a strategy. It sounds like the same impulsive nonsense we've been plagued with for over a decade. Of course, all credit to Carrick and his team for the good results so far, but the football on display is still mostly pretty stale and relies primarily on Bruno to have a good game. A rather questionable blueprint for growth.
I would love it as much as anyone, if Carrick turns out to be the perfect manager for this club and we start winning the big trophies again. I'm not a believer yet though and experience tells you to be careful with these types of romantic notions. I can still remember people clamoring for Giggs to get the job after Moyes as well. "Give it to Giggsy" might be a joke these days. For some on this board it certainly wasn't at the time.
Enrique needs a superstar or two to get title and cups. And demands alot more transfer and tactics control than the rat pack would allow.
Good memory, I definitely complained at least about Ashworth because of this.
They are going to give it to Carrick. I am fine with that but was hoping we'd push out the boat for Nagelsmann.
If the club gets Carrick two top class midfielders, a good back up centre midfielder, a left back and a left winger, I would love to see what he could do over the course of the season.
Everyone needs a superstar or two, but honestly when we are stable and looking to cross the line I think he would be the perfect choice. I just dont see how he gets more from this squad.
There's nothing wrong with keeping the current staff he has together if he gets the job permanently. The experience of Steve Holland is no doubt a huge help to the club.
As journalist Jonathan Norcroft pointed out. Utd need to look at building themselves up in stages and accept that we may have a manager for 2-3 years and then move onto someone on the next rung up. It's almost impossible without blind luck to end up with the next Fergie, Wenger, Klopp etc.
As has been said many times before on here. Some of the more obvious candidates for the job aren't available this summer.
I agree with that. I think I might've even said it in an earlier post in another thread, that maybe Carrick should just be seen as a intermediate solution, while we strengthen the squad further. My only problem with this would be, that I have very little trust in our executives to realize when the time comes to move on and bring the next guy in. They hung on to Ten Hag and Amorim for far too long and it did a lot of damage.
Let's say he does alright in the next two seasons. Optimistically finishes in the Champions League places both times, but never even close to challenging and with the style of play still lacking. Will they have the guts to make changes in such a scenario? Or does everything have to come crashing down again before we see any reaction? If we want to get back to winning ways, we have to be ruthless and I haven't seen that nearly enough from the current people in charge.
To be fair, this can happen with any coach.
If the coming games show enough improvement, compared to
the Newcastle game for example, and we get 3rd place, it is Carrick for me next season.
This is how I think Ineos see it. I know there is the whole 2028 challenging thing but the reality is if they think Carrick is a solid CL level manager who might not have the ability to win the big two trophies, I think they will keep him on to sort out our finances. Back to back seasons in the CL really will aid the financial ills of the last decade or so with how much the prize money has risen to even for just taking part. There's really no reason he can't be that level either - Mou, Ole, ETH, LVG all did it with vastly different styles and pedigrees, we have the spending ability to be in the mix, it's literally only Amorim who failed to hit that level as a perm manager.
Nope, Ten Hag also failed to qualify for the CL in back to back seasons.
What’s wrong with Woodgate? Sounds like he’s been very impressive to date.
Why? The man has achieved nothing of note, was a failure at Bayern and currently has the German national team seriously underperforming, while publicly criticising his players, for no reason at all. The dude is the most overrated manager in all of Europe. Stay clear from him.
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Sorry meant all got CL. Only Ole got back to back CL from memory at the expense of no trophies vs the others who got trophies at the expense of CL (though Mou I guess technically had 2 seasons in the CL in a row from wining the EL then finishing 2nd?
It can happen with any coach, but there are coaches where you can sort of expect that they will uphold their end of the bargain in a tactical and coaching sense, if they are given the players they need. I think beyond that there are different levels of risk depending on track record.
What if we achieve 3rd but play poorly, and finish 3rd because likes of Villa, Chelsea and Liverpool keep losing and don’t give us a fight? I wouldn’t bet that this will continue to happen next season.