I agree. He's one of the most overrated mangers around. Would be an absolute train wreck as our manager imo.
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I agree. He's one of the most overrated mangers around. Would be an absolute train wreck as our manager imo.
Who would be your personal first choice and is going to be realistically gettable as well?
If Carrick doesn't end up doing well enough to deserve the job permanently, it's Alonso, then Iraola for me. Then maybe still Carrick for a season, or of course I would never scoff at a season or two of Conte. That assuming Enrique isn't attainable which I do assume.
I genuinely have no idea which way this goes, I think in reality we have to see how the rest of the season plays out before we can really judge and make a decision.
I would be speaking to other coaches in the meantime and seeing who impresses and what ideas they could bring to the table but if we win 4 or 5 of the last 6 games I can't see anyone else getting the job.
I would be speaking to other coaches in the meantime and seeing who impresses and what ideas they could bring to the table but if we win 4 or 5 of the last 6 games I can't see anyone else getting the job.
Will be absolutely pig sick if he goes to City, however with their financial power I wouldn’t rule it out
We need to stop thinking about every appointment being long term. If Carrick has another year or two where he can replicate Ole's league positions, that's fine for now. Move him on when we're in a position to start thinking about competing for titles.
The sense of staleness is because it's still mostly the same group of bozos that finished 15th last season. Another good transfer window and a bigger selection of good players. For all Carrick’s faults, he should still get us into a Champions League position. Most were expecting us to finish 8th back in January ffs.
And Iraola, low risk? He's finished 12th, 9th and is currently 11th. He's done ok. He's delivered against what fairly basic expectations were given to him but nothing more. They've routinely done poor in the cups aswell.
He plays a good standard of football but again, it's very very different trying to implement a style of play outside your comfort zone. It would be interesting to see how he did even at a club like Bilbao where at the very least, expectations are higher.
I'm certain he's got it with CL football unfortunately
Nagelsmann complaints whilst managing Bayern.
Over complicated tactics
Too many in game changes
Falling out with players. Mainly senior players. Tried to coach Lewindoski how to score goals.
Unusual lifestyle. Coming to training on a scooter. Apparent affairs with a journalist.
I mean it doesn’t get much hipster than this. But atleast those criticising Carrick on Monday for not making enough changes will be happy. Nagelsmann is will have in game formation changes 3 on in 10 minutes probably even attempting rolling subs.
We just had Amorim. I know it’s easier to go totally the opposite way from where we failed. But let’s atleast take our environment into play and not put mangers not suited to the club into consideration. Let him go Chelsea.
I’m not sure with Naglesman. There was a lot of odd press around him at Bayern, and I’m not sure he’d fit our club or dressing room if these were correct.
I’m still absolutely behind Ireola coming in though. Have been for a long time given Enrique is pretty much ruled out.
We can’t stick with Carrick and I don’t think we will because I see us slipping into Europa League place for next season. The football has been just as bad as Amorim - maybe worse recently.
I’m still absolutely behind Ireola coming in though. Have been for a long time given Enrique is pretty much ruled out.
We can’t stick with Carrick and I don’t think we will because I see us slipping into Europa League place for next season. The football has been just as bad as Amorim - maybe worse recently.
You can just see Enrique ending up at City due to the Barca backroom lot who he will probably have connection with just like Guardiola did. That will really sting because he is the next best manager around
Curious what this poll would look like if it was just Ireola, Carrick and Naglesmann. There is no obvious option here- my fear with Carrick is he will stumble over the line and get CL (mainly due to no other team performing well either) and then have a poor start next season. Naglesmann worries me alot and would be my last choice mainly because he be too tactical like Ruben. Ireola is my choice , Ithink he could adapt with the players he has here and play good football too. He lost his top scorer in Jan and it hasn't caused Borunemouth too many issues.
Oh yeah out of them it's clearly Iraola and that's coming from someone who was a big Nagelsmann fan
Iraola over Nagelsmann
Carrick over Iraola and Nagelsmann
I'm gonna build on my previous points. What has Iraola done that makes people think he's ready for the United job at this current moment in time? He has Premier League experience compared to say Ten Hag and Amorim but what else. Playing good football at a club where again, success is still almost seen as avoiding a relegation scrap, is very different to implementing wide scale tactical chances at Old Trafford.
At this stage of this career, he's just as likely to be seen in two years as a flavour of the month rather than having any meaningful success at a "big club".
Carrick over them two, what?
And Carrick has done what? Came from a championship club. Doesn’t look like he can implement an attacking based style.
My worry with Iraola is, will he be like a Moyes type manager where he’s only good with mid table teams or what.
I think Carrick has proven he can do ok with a flawed squad and in a summer where a mass rebuild might be difficult due to the World Cup, I think he's the best man (unless Enrique becomes available) in the short term.
The longer term plan (of winning titles again) should run parallel with the shorter term plan of getting us back competing properly in the Champions League which ultimately means trying for Enrique or a genuine world class manager as opposed to another "project" guy whilst performing at a reasonable level.
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Carrick can't motivate or get his team to come out of the blocks like mad dogs after a 3 week break and the fans wanting their team to perform, the guy is too laid back and should not be in the frame for the full time job.
A man who was sacked by Bayern and would have ultimately not won the league with them and for the most part, hasn't been great as Germany manager.
Another man who's main achievement as a manager seems to be be playing good football and finishing 9th.
No I’m judging him from what I’ve seen from his time with us. I can’t really comment on what some Middlesbrough fans might’ve said, I don’t think I watched many of their matches when Carrick was there & if I did I certainly can’t remember them.
i get you, but I think he’s proven himself at a Premier League side and is ready to step up. I don’t think you can look at other teams or managers; how Thomas Frank did has no bearing on Iraola at Bournemouth for me. You can end up too risk averse in a way then.
The other thing to consider is that if we bring him and it doesn’t work we can change it, to me getting better players is more important than manager anyway.
I like Iraola, but exactly what's in his resume that suggests he's one of the greatest managers in the world?
Not saying he’s the greatest manager in the world, however just have a gut feeling he could be the next breakout one
It's more the potential/whole package rather than just outright ability.
I don't think he's the same level as Flick or Enrique yet but when you take into account his play style/age and his experience with the biggest club there is in Real Madrid (I think he was doing well there considering the injury crisis he had to deal with, they're worse now he's gone while having more players available) and his incredible season with Leverkusen (as well as massively improving them straight away when he took over the season before) I would want him a lot more than anybody in the next block so put him in that tier.
Next tier down you have Simeone and Conte who are like Enrique and Flick ability wise but play unattractive football and then Iraola and Fabregas who play attractive football like Alonso but haven't done anything special yet and have never managed a massive club/played in Europe and finally Inzaghi and Emery who play decent football and good success but are old which is why I wanted to put him slightly above that group, he's not Elite yet but he doesn't really have any downside for me.
How is he not any better than Nagelsmann, they've basically won the same trophies but Alonso done it in a unbeaten season (Bayern Munich have never even managed this) with Leverkusen and Naglesmann did it with the juggernaut that is Bayern Munich. Alonso has literally won half of all of Leverkusen's trophies.
Both Iraola and Nagelsmann have thus far proven more in their careers than Carrick.
In Iraola's case, we at least have three seasons' evidence that he is a good quality PL-level manager. In Carrick's case, the only evidence of this is the (so far) 11 games he's been interim manager for us. Remove that and you're left with an unsuccessful three year stint in the Championship.
In Nagelsmann's case, any one of what did at each of his three club jobs (taking Hoffenheim from a relegation battle into the CL, taking Leipzig to the CL semi-finals, winning the Bundesliga with Bayern) would be the highlight of Carrick's managerial career to date, let alone having done all three while still being 6 years younger than Carrick.
I have zero issue with people preferring Carrick. But the idea that he is a safer pick than these other options relies on you ignoring the fundamental risk in deciding you should judge Carrick on a handful of games as interim manager while judging other managers on multiple seasons of evidence.
And you're opting to do so not even because Carrick doesn't have multiple seasons of evidence as manager to judge him on, but because those multiple seasons were unsuccessful enough that you have to hope they're less representative of his ability than his 11 games here. Which themselves haven't been flawless.
Or to put it another way: if one of Carrick, Iraola or Nagelsmann were to go on to not only fail as United manager but prove to not even be PL-calibre managers at other clubs, it would be overwhelmingly more likely to be Carrick. That bottom-end potential outcome exists with him to a degree it doesn't with most of the other managers on the list.
The primary sense in which Carrick is a safe pick is financial, as he doesn't require paying a release clause, won't command the sort of contract other managers would and won't attract competition from rival clubs. He's also available immediately and would start with a degree of fan/media support, which helps. But as an actual manager, he's a very risky pick.
Absolutely nailed it with this post, however INEOS have already proven they are swayed by a positive fan sentiment towards a manager and they will do it again
He doesn’t ride a scooter to work.
I think we should start a new poll with a pipe dream/pure hope like Luis Enrique, a hipster like Nagelsmaan, a realistic option like Iraola and an easy cop out like Carrick then see where the poll leads then as there’s bundles on the current poll that simply aren’t happening so should be taken off.
The work he has done at Bournemouth. The video is worth a watch to actually understand what he does
Yeah will be annoying if he goes to PL rival
He’ll be going to Bilbao.
Would think the pipe dream and pure hope is gonna be the overwhelming favourite in that poll
So why was don Ornstein saying it seems unlikely
Reports suggested he wants to stay in the premier league
It's obviously where his heart is but it's a pointless job.
You can't really win anything except maybe a European trophy.
They went 40 years without a trophy.
Iraola has a lot more Premiere League management experience than Carrick, Carrick has literally never been a full time manager of a Premiere league club.
There is a monumental difference in coming in after Amorim and basically moving to a back 4 and putting Bruno back in the number 10 position to carry us for 14 games compared to getting a 3+ year contract and having to build a team and tactics to challenge for the League and Europe. He's feeling no pressure at the moment as he is an out of work Championship manager that was asked to come in and just do his best until the end of the season, almost as a favour as Amorim basically quit unexpectedly and it was either him or Ole.
Now don't get me wrong, as an interim he's been great but there's a reason he was an out of work Championship manager.
If he were to be here full time then the next time we played City at home he wouldn't be playing against a back four of Ake, Alleyene, Khusanov and Lewis and when we go away to Arsenal I would bet my house we wont score every shot on target with two goal of the season contenders and an error/gift from Zubimendi.
It is really weird to see so many talk down every single name mentioned but want Carrick to be the manager despite the fact he is far less proven than any of the others.
Being sacked by Bayern is horrific, but being sacked by Middlesbrough...sign me up! Hopefully our decision makers look in depth at all of the candidates and make a good choice. Most here laughed at Bayern taking Kompany because he got relegated from the PL but look at him now, there is a lot our Board need to consider and they need to look beyond fan sentiment and look truly into finding a head coach who will get us playing good, front foot football.
Yeah if only INEOS actually thought like that, unfortunately like you said fan sentiment is everything to them