How exactly? He’s only won 11/34 games this season.
And then you’ll be surprised and call him a fraud when he wins 15 with us next season - which will be an improvement for him.
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And then you’ll be surprised and call him a fraud when he wins 15 with us next season - which will be an improvement for him.
The posts lining out how our squad is worse than Bournemouth's will be fun though.
Kidding aside, I have reservations about Iraola. Frank and Potter have shown in a spectacular way how hard the step up can be and how crucial a strong setup might have been for their success. Of course you never know before a manager actually makes the step up, but I've been hurt before.
How many matches do you expect a Bournemouth team that gets all their best players taken off them to win?
He's only lost 7 league games this season too, whilst playing exciting football.
Imagine what he could do with better players and a team that isn't continually losing/replacing good players.
Frank and Potter aren't really an accurate comparison.
Frank walked in to a Spurs side that finished 17th the season before. Potter took over at a Chelsea side that were changing their entire squad and filling it with any young players they could get their hands on with no clear plan or strategy.
Iraola will be taking over a United team far more stable than his own Bouremouth team that started this season!
And yet Carrick has lost just 2 matches with better players.
From 13 games! Iraola has been in charge for 34!
Im not really sold on Iraola at all.. done well at Bournemouth.. But i think its one of them ones ala Potter/ Dezerbi/ Moyes etc where the manager just suits the club well at the time, and then once they move onto a bigger club with bigger expectations, it just all falls apart and doesnt work. I have the feeling we could bring someone like him in and it all changes behind the scenes and we are back to a somewhat transitional period where the players are trying to figure things all over again, and we end up with erratic displays and results all over again.
For me Carrick has earned a shot at it.. for a while anyway.. Its been pretty steady and impressive at times. The players have warmed to him..He has good experience behind him too. Just dont go handing out ridiculously long contracts..
For me Carrick has earned a shot at it.. for a while anyway.. Its been pretty steady and impressive at times. The players have warmed to him..He has good experience behind him too. Just dont go handing out ridiculously long contracts..
His football can work if the people upstairs understand what they're getting with him. If Sir Jim told them "I'll take some of that" after watching PSG-Bayern last Tuesday and the others responded that there's this guy at Bournemouth who looks the part, God help us.
Proportionally, Carrick is ahead
I really really hope we stay with Carrick
Carrick on a short contract makes the most sense, honestly.
Carrick has done well, no denying that but I still think giving him the job full time is a risk not worth taking. It’s one thing performing as the interim, it’s another being the main man at the club. I’d hate to see things turn sour towards another great of the club when things go south.
Why are people saying this? Wait until the season's end and then assess him. This is quite an interesting time to look at him as a coach, where there's this weird period of us being somewhat guaranteed CL football but surely wanting to push to get a good league finish, build good habits, develop as a team etc. Can he motivate the team or will we see the form slump away. Performances have started to become a bit more worrying the longer time has gone on vs improving as well, so I would be in no hurry to dish out any deals until everything is done this season.
I wonder why there’s been no rumors with Emery . He’d be a solid option
He's a control freak. He wouldn't work at all in the setup here.
Because he’s a manager in the same way Sir Alex and Wenger were in that he controls everything and we’ve moved into a head coach set up rather than a manager
For being coached by the supposed best young manger in the game? Around 50% at least.
May there is far simpler explanation rightly or wrongly he is just not deemed good enough for a Top Club after his stints with PSG and Arsenal .
Very good point, didn't think of it like that. Although, if he batters Liverpool 3-0 , they can all feck off to the beach for all I care now CL is secured
.That would put Bournemouth third in the league, not far behind Arsenal and City!
No it would put them exactly where United are. The United that had a terrible first half of the season and fired their manager midway through.
Hiring Carrick just feels like INEOS don’t know what they’re doing to me. I see him as the default choice and cynically the choice to charm the United fanbase to get heat away from themselves. I don’t think they’re as kneejerk, foolish and sentimental as the Glazer/Woodward axis.
At least the club is far better run in terms of the football side of things from those days. Our summer recruitment has to be good regardless but if we’re actually hiring Carrick full time, then I’d say recruitment has to be perfect.
Do you realistically think a manager who didn’t have success at the second tier of English football is suddenly going to turn into a top tier title challenging manager?
At least the club is far better run in terms of the football side of things from those days. Our summer recruitment has to be good regardless but if we’re actually hiring Carrick full time, then I’d say recruitment has to be perfect.
Do you realistically think a manager who didn’t have success at the second tier of English football is suddenly going to turn into a top tier title challenging manager?
Yes managers go from not winning things to winning things all the time. Every manager that has won silverware was once someone who had never won anything, so it’s a pointless fact to hit someone with.
Either it's a huge name, with a pedigree of major success in either La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga - with Enrique the obvious target and to hell with the cost - or Carrick. No point getting someone in between the two. Enrique would be less of a snub to Carrick than, say, a Southgate (lord help us) or Glasner
Might finally get a hiding in our favour, they will have to attack and commit men forwards as they genuinely might miss the CL places - suits our style down to the ground.Very good point, didn't think of it like that. Although, if he batters Liverpool 3-0 , they can all feck off to the beach for all I care now CL is secured
I thoroughly hope so, need to see a few Cunha surfing celebrations - if he's back.
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I feel like we need a manager that's not scared of playing youth. JJ Gabriel, Jim Thwaites, Shea Lacey, Sekou Kone, Jacob Devaney, Nkoto, Noah Ajayi. Most of these kids will fail no doubt, but we need a manager that trust kids.The u16s look decent also.
Xavi gave debuts to Yamal, Casado, Fermin and more.
Do I think Xavi can have us challenging the league right away? No. But which manager can that realistically we can hire this summer can do that anyways?
I am not sure Micheal Carrick can handle the big personalities and egos when we get a blip of form. I don't see how the managers of Fulham, Crystal Palace can do that either.
And winners of Dutch and Portuguese leagues didn't work either. Maybe someone like Xavi can work. Not saying he'd be some guaranteed success, just can see positives of him if hired.
I feel like we need a manager that's not scared of playing youth. JJ Gabriel, Jim Thwaites, Shea Lacey, Sekou Kone, Jacob Devaney, Nkoto, Noah Ajayi. Most of these kids will fail no doubt, but we need a manager that trust kids.The u16s look decent also.
Xavi gave debuts to Yamal, Casado, Fermin and more.
Do I think Xavi can have us challenging the league right away? No. But which manager can that realistically we can hire this summer can do that anyways?
I am not sure Micheal Carrick can handle the big personalities and egos when we get a blip of form. I don't see how the managers of Fulham, Crystal Palace can do that either.
And winners of Dutch and Portuguese leagues didn't work either. Maybe someone like Xavi can work. Not saying he'd be some guaranteed success, just can see positives of him if hired.
I'd probably lean towards Iraola over Carrick but pretty indifferent between them. As others have said, with Enrique seemingly off the the table there isn't a standout realistic option which makes me open to pretty much open to most, provided they try to play good football.
I feel I've seen enough of United under Carrick which makes me think, while results have been good, the performances haven't left me convinced. That's not to say I'd be hugely upset if he's appointed but I think there are red flags.
I feel I've seen enough of United under Carrick which makes me think, while results have been good, the performances haven't left me convinced. That's not to say I'd be hugely upset if he's appointed but I think there are red flags.
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Bournemouth have the 4th lowest wage bill in the league and sold their best player mid-season on top of selling their best defenders in the summer. Your expectations are absurd and far from objective, especially considering the amount of leeway our past two managers were given for any old excuse they and fans could muster.
Oh don’t worry Iriola will have the same excuses made for him if he gets the job and leads us backwards again.
But somehow not Carrick, who also hasn’t had a preseason, also has a very deficient squad, but is somehow being judged harshly for actually getting results even if performances have been patchy. I’d take patchy performances all day over topping the xG table while failing to beat relegation teams regularly.
There's a huge difference in intensity and physciality required to be successful in the PL in comparison with La Liga, most of the players you name are not at those levels yet, odd cameos here and there with no pressure are fine but no more than that
Now I know, United fans just love coaches with ~30% win rate.
At the risk of appearing in the Posts That Feel Sexual thread, the prospect of Iraola gets me excited. I think he's going to go on to big things and I hope it's with United. Not unhappy with Carrick though.
Most people often get bogged down in "tactics" and "philosophy" while man-management is being completely overlooked here. Carrick has already done the hard work of earning the players' trust, which is vital. If we replace him now with a low-profile coach, we’re actually putting that new person at a massive disadvantage. They wouldn't have the same immediate respect or "buy-in" from the squad, which just creates a steeper uphill battle from day one.
I think a lot of us are overlooking the personality traits a manager needs to succeed here. Some of the names on that list will not inspire confidence and demand respect in our dressing room. If it’s not Carrick, it needs to be a big name / personality IMO.
I agree...especially if Enrique is not reasonably possible. 2-yr contract for Carrick is good and if things go wrong, won't be terribly expensive.
You make it sound like La Liga is like some farmer league and playing youngsters is nothing there. And when is the best time to introduce young players, at cup finals? We need our next manager to be brave and try fill the squad with youngsters that're highly rated in their age-group.
Alan Hansen was once slated for saying "You'll never win anything with kids" - every member of the class of '92 agrees with him, because they were only successful at the age they were because they were surrounded by a squad of senior, experienced teammates
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