He's basically a young Niko Kovac. No one wants to get Kovac in, and for a good reasonAre we pretending Leipzig wasn’t more down to Red Bull than Nagelsmann’s management? I remember we had similar arguments for why Ragnick was gonna be such a great hire.
And you’re forgetting another name that has outperformed Nagelmann at Bayern, Burnley’s own relegated manager, V Kompany.
At the end of the day he’s had a good coaching career, but nothing truly exceptional and only 1 league title to his name, at a club where you almost get them for free.
Would many Bayern fans take him back now over Kompany?
I think he’s another ETH waiting to happen in the Prem, never before have I seen a more naive manager than the one who came to Old Trafford and decided to play the highest line I’ve ever seen… against Marcus fecking Rashford
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Are we pretending Leipzig wasn’t more down to Red Bull (and everything Ragnick built) rather than purely Nagelsmann’s management? I remember we had similar arguments for why Ragnick was gonna be such a great hire.
And you’re forgetting another name that has outperformed Nagelmann at Bayern, Burnley’s own relegated manager, V Kompany.
At the end of the day he’s had a good coaching career, but nothing truly exceptional and only 1 league title to his name, at a club where you almost get them for free.
Would many Bayern fans take him back now over Kompany?
I think he’s another ETH waiting to happen in the Prem, never before have I seen a more naive manager than the one who came to Old Trafford and decided to play the highest line I’ve ever seen… against Marcus fecking Rashford
He does dress snappily though
Ha ha, he completed the high line clown show at Old Trafford that night with one hell a naughty blazer I remember.
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I actually have to delve deeper into this claim because since 2010:
Bayern Munich Manager Leaderboard (Since 2010)
Ranked by overall Points Per Game (PPG) across all competitions.
| Rank | Manager | Tenure | Matches | Win % | PPG | Major Trophies Won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hansi Flick | 2019–2021 | 86 | 81.4% | 2.53 | 2x Bundesliga, 1x UCL, 1x DFB-Pokal (Sextuple) |
| 2 | Jupp Heynckes (4th) | 2017–2018 | 41 | 78.0% | 2.49 | 1x Bundesliga |
| 3 | Jupp Heynckes (3rd) | 2011–2013 | 109 | 77.1% | 2.43 | 1x Bundesliga, 1x UCL, 1x DFB-Pokal (Treble) |
| 4 | Vincent Kompany | 2024–Pres. | 108 | 76.0% | 2.42 | 1x Bundesliga (Cup Final pending) |
| 5 | Pep Guardiola | 2013–2016 | 161 | 75.2% | 2.41 | 3x Bundesliga, 2x DFB-Pokal |
| 6 | Carlo Ancelotti | 2016–2017 | 60 | 70.0% | 2.28 | 1x Bundesliga |
| 7 | Julian Nagelsmann | 2021–2023 | 84 | 71.4% | 2.19 | 1x Bundesliga |
| 8 | Niko Kovač | 2018–2019 | 65 | 69.2% | 2.14 | 1x Bundesliga, 1x DFB-Pokal |
| 9 | Thomas Tuchel | 2023–2024 | 61 | 60.7% | 1.95 | 1x Bundesliga |
| 10 | Louis van Gaal | 2009–2011 | 96 | 61.5% | 1.93 | 1x Bundesliga, 1x DFB-Pokal |
*Note: Interim/caretaker managers excluded. Permanent appointments only.*
So basically he’s the 7th best manager of the 10 they’ve had since 2010. Hardly fecking great is it, yet you’re trying to sell that as “overachieving”??
If we take “Bundesliga alone”, well:
Bayern Munich Manager Leaderboard (Since 2010)
Ranked strictly by BUNDESLIGA league performance alone.
| Rank | Manager | Tenure | League Matches | Bundesliga Win % | League PPG | Bundesliga Titles |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Pep Guardiola | 2013–2016 | 102 | 80.4% | 2.52 | 3 |
| 2 | Hansi Flick | 2019–2021 | 58 | 79.3% | 2.50 | 2 |
| 3 | Vincent Kompany | 2024–Pres. | 66 | 78.8% | 2.48 | 2 |
| 4 | Jupp Heynckes (4th) | 2017–2018 | 27 | 77.7% | 2.44 | 1 |
| 5 | Jupp Heynckes (3rd) | 2011–2013 | 68 | 76.4% | 2.43 | 1 |
| 6 | Carlo Ancelotti | 2016–2017 | 40 | 72.5% | 2.33 | 1 |
| 7 | Julian Nagelsmann | 2021–2023 | 59 | 67.8% | 2.19 | 1 |
| 8 | Niko Kovač | 2018–2019 | 44 | 65.9% | 2.11 | 1 |
| 9 | Louis van Gaal | 2009–2011 | 62 | 54.8% | 1.82 | 1 |
| 10 | Thomas Tuchel | 2023–2024 | 43 | 55.8% | 1.81 | 1 |
*Note: Permanent managers only. Data spans standard domestic league matches across seasons 2010 to 2026.*
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Xabi Alonso to Chelsea: Former Real Madrid and Bayer Leverkusen coach agrees four-year contract to be head coach at Stamford Bridge
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This feels mad. I genuinely thought he'd just go Liverpool
Liverpool fans will be absolutely heartbroken with that.
Funny you’re laughing while you’re dead wrong1 league title, with Bayern, who absolutely do not regret sacking him
Kompany came from Burnley and is doing a better job.
Definitely the hasty dismissal of Julian Nagelsmann, which had not been agreed with the supervisory board for a long time. The supervisory board was more or less presented with a fait accompli. And that led to unrest at a time when we could still have won all three titles. It was not a catastrophic situation. Who knows what would have happened if Julian had been given the chance. I would have liked these things to have been handled with a little more patience”
See below the quote about how they went to re hire him.
Kompany has Harry fcking Kane. You alright?1 league title, with Bayern, who absolutely do not regret sacking him
Kompany came from Burnley and is doing a better job.
Thank you for educating some people on here further
Some United fans as well. Some would have preferred we’d go for an Alonso over a Carrick. Even an iraola over him. I think now Liverpool could end up with Iraola. I don’t believe this backing slot. I imagine they are only saying that until the season ends so there’s not more unrest
Are we keeping it open for the next one too?
Thought it was reported Iraola has agreed to take over at Palace already next season ?
Funny you’re laughing while you’re dead wrong
He’s statistically the 7th best out of the 10 Bayern manager since 2010.
I aint wrong.
Bayern might have had temporary regrets, due to a dispute between the proper suits and Kahn/
Salihamidžić who took a chance that Tuchel would be a great hire. I’ve argued tonnes on here also that Tuchel is another manager who is vastly overrated and who has a league record that isn’t impressive at all.
Thing is, Tuchel was shit, but not a single fan nor Bayern suit would swap him back for Kompany now who has massively outperformed him.
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Where was that taken from? Fair enough if that's correct.
And someone needs to edit that statement on Nagelsmann's wikipedia and ignore 90min articles as sources...
https://www.90min.com/posts/why-bayern-munich-sacked-julian-nagelsmann
Ok, well it’s easy to break down right? It claims:
“Only Pep Guardiola, Hansi Flick and Carlo Ancelotti averaged more Bundesliga points than Nagelsmann during their tenures but events on the pitch are not the only defining factor in his departure.”
Well it kinda is true right? But it’s one of those statements designed to sound like it must mean that Nagelsmann was ace?
In reality though it takes Heynckes out of the equation, likely due to it being short term, leaving only Kovać and Tuchel that he bettered.
And as the article was pre-Kompany, he’s left out also.
But an article or wiki wouldn’t sound as cool if it said:
As I say, the truth is that he wasn’t a very good Bayern manager at all. Better than Tuchel, yeah, better than Kovać, absolutely. But Kompany, Flick, Heynckes, Ancelotti, Guardiola were all better.
And let’s remember Ancelotti was not considered a success at Bayern, despite having a better record. He was dismissed early in his second season.
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Can we add Pep to the list?
Easily Andoni Iraola
I didn't only vote Iraola as Manchester United new head coach, but easily " Premier League head coach of the year "
If Iraola had Kante, Mahrez and mister No Vardy no Party....I think and believe Iraola could win Premier League this season with Bournemouth.
Special if Bournemouth could keep Semenyo for whole season......Just imagine Semenyo and the peak top RW in Mahrez on each side.
Kante & Scott as cm duo...a cm duo that never run out of battery
And in top the goal machine Jamie Vardy
Iraola and Bournemouth were 3 top and world class players from to be up there with Arsenal and to give them the hardest competition for the title
Imagine...Bournemouth have sold theirs best players. Kluivert nearly out with injury whole season....as still....they are on the unbeaten run of 17 games....nearly a half season without losing a game....it's crazy numbers....for the quality of the squad Iraola had access too....I take the hat off for this man.
And best of all....Andoni Iraola hasn't went publicly to complain about loosing his best players like some other head coach....He just keep working in the silent....to work with the players he had available.
Ok, City players were lacking of top energy, after the FA Cup on Saturday....but for some clubs that had more than a week to work with the collective playing style and form....didn't work out too.
City on papers with better quality players....but Bournemouth and Iraola just bossed City and Pep... Bournemouth had 3 clear big chances to go up 2-0 before Haaland scored the 1-1 goal.....So the match could be over earlier and Bournemouth could win the match yesterday and get closer to Liverpool on 5th place and Champion League next year.
So my conclusion is :
If Manchester United do not appoint Iraola as head coach.....i am afraid it will be another mistake by United's board again....another...after another...Domino effect and on the spiral of picking the choices that will not lead United to be a consistent top team.
"Andoni Iraola so far is the synonyms of consistent and stability on a really high level "
17 Premier League matches without loosing....with on paper...second best quality players ------> Premier League head coach of the year
I didn't only vote Iraola as Manchester United new head coach, but easily " Premier League head coach of the year "
If Iraola had Kante, Mahrez and mister No Vardy no Party....I think and believe Iraola could win Premier League this season with Bournemouth.
Special if Bournemouth could keep Semenyo for whole season......Just imagine Semenyo and the peak top RW in Mahrez on each side.
Kante & Scott as cm duo...a cm duo that never run out of battery
And in top the goal machine Jamie Vardy
Iraola and Bournemouth were 3 top and world class players from to be up there with Arsenal and to give them the hardest competition for the title
Imagine...Bournemouth have sold theirs best players. Kluivert nearly out with injury whole season....as still....they are on the unbeaten run of 17 games....nearly a half season without losing a game....it's crazy numbers....for the quality of the squad Iraola had access too....I take the hat off for this man.
And best of all....Andoni Iraola hasn't went publicly to complain about loosing his best players like some other head coach....He just keep working in the silent....to work with the players he had available.
Ok, City players were lacking of top energy, after the FA Cup on Saturday....but for some clubs that had more than a week to work with the collective playing style and form....didn't work out too.
City on papers with better quality players....but Bournemouth and Iraola just bossed City and Pep... Bournemouth had 3 clear big chances to go up 2-0 before Haaland scored the 1-1 goal.....So the match could be over earlier and Bournemouth could win the match yesterday and get closer to Liverpool on 5th place and Champion League next year.
So my conclusion is :
If Manchester United do not appoint Iraola as head coach.....i am afraid it will be another mistake by United's board again....another...after another...Domino effect and on the spiral of picking the choices that will not lead United to be a consistent top team.
"Andoni Iraola so far is the synonyms of consistent and stability on a really high level "
17 Premier League matches without loosing....with on paper...second best quality players ------> Premier League head coach of the year
My first choice like any sane person was Enrique however, also like any sane person the chances of that happening were slim to none. Beyond him I think we should've went for Alonso or Ireola, I think we will regret not going for either when they were both available at the same time we needed a manager, it seems utter madness. Then next time we're on the market no one decent will be available. I just hope we don't go for naglesman down the line, I did like him but I just think he could be a disaster with his poor man management.
Here and now though, we have to support Carrick and pray he can kick on
Here and now though, we have to support Carrick and pray he can kick on
I suspect we made an informal enquiry with Alonso, however found he wasn't open to managing us. Iraola is probably a different story as Ornstein said him and Emery were the two candidates, so unsure what made INEOS decide to go with Carrick over him. There wouldn't have been any paying out of contract required as was leaving Bournemouth. I genuinely think INEOS didn't expect Carrick to finish 3rd and give them such a dilemma on it.
Everyone just assumes we have a plethora of good managers lined up to get that job, when in reality there's probably low interest in us atm.
Alonso - never would have come.
Enrique - from CL winners to us? Right...
Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Ancelotti - basically anyone involved in the WC would tell us off, as they'd prefer to focus on the biggest event in football. And are sure to find a new job, even if they get sacked.
Unai Emery - already established himself at Villa, has the board backing, a good position, good squad, can build upon that.
There aren't exactly a ton of managers available right now. The only one with a question mark over him is Iraola.
So it might not be a case of "the club didn't go for a top manager", it might be more like "I'd take Carrick over Southgate".
Alonso - never would have come.
Enrique - from CL winners to us? Right...
Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Ancelotti - basically anyone involved in the WC would tell us off, as they'd prefer to focus on the biggest event in football. And are sure to find a new job, even if they get sacked.
Unai Emery - already established himself at Villa, has the board backing, a good position, good squad, can build upon that.
There aren't exactly a ton of managers available right now. The only one with a question mark over him is Iraola.
So it might not be a case of "the club didn't go for a top manager", it might be more like "I'd take Carrick over Southgate".
Did you even try? He went to Chelsea. Why wouldn't he join United. A proper football club (not plastic) with a more patient, less trigger happy management.
The rivalry between United and Liverpool is the fiercest one in English football and one of the biggest in the world. Liverpool vs Chelsea has had its heated moments, but it's nowhere near as big as United and Liverpool.
Hes not diehard liverpool like stevie G. He had a good couple of years there before being pushed out, hes not mr Liverpool. If it was a choice between us and Liverpool fair enough but the choice would've been us and Chelsea.
It's also alright people saying they wanted Iraola, Nagelsmann etc. but a lot of the time they say it because they like their style of football, and completely ignore the fact that they wouldn't be able to play like that here at this moment in time.
Would've loved to see Iraola have a crack at it, but it is what it is. Maybe he's not even PL bound, maybe he wants to go back to Spain, a ton of unknowns...
Are we going to be the only big club appointing a manager who never won a trophy?
He is Spanish who spent "only" 5 years in Liverpool. He is not Steven Gerard or Michael Carrick who are legends of those two clubs.
And, more importantly, it is his career and his job. You don't reject multi million job offer from Man Utd club because of sentiment.
Except the newly crowned premier league champions.
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