Next Manager Poll

[downunder red]

Until we get rid of the majority of players like Dalot, Shaw, Dorgu, Maguire, Casemiro, Mount, Ugarte and yes Bruno. It wont matter who we bring in.

 

[Catt]

Curious about Iraola (spelling) but no idea other than that

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Stick with Amorim for now and see if he can sort this out. We can use the rest of the season to evaluate different options. Things like Tuchel or Nagelsmann winning the WC or De zerbi winning Ligue 1 or Glasner or Iraola in top 6 could easily make any of these coaches top choices. There’s also Alonso who may not even be in Madrid by the end of the season

 

[Livewire1974]

I'd give Ole+Carrick another stab at the job, a lot of the bad eggs that took him down are now gone.

 

[Raul Madrid]

Conte would be good at least imo. I think he is a great manager. He may do well for two years but not everyone can do well longterm like ferguson, wenger, ancelotti, klopp and arteta.

 

[jem]

I would actually prefer Eddie Howe at the moment. His teams are well-coached and hard-working. Get that spirit back.

I don’t get the Eddie Howe hype. I’d say he’s underachieving with Newcastle.

 

[NZT-One]

Conte is a obvious one surely.

Thrice in his career he has taken over big clubs in mid table the season before and won the league. Which is a miracle according to some here and can never be done without buying a new team. And he has done it thrice with Chelsea, Inter and Napoli. Even Juve he did well.

And he couldn't sustain it and bombed shortly after. I have nothing against Conte but he isn't a smart choice at all and while he will be able to find a working way, he won't care about midterm development. Thats fine if you have the future mostly sorted out, that enables you to allow a manager some short-term-thinking but thats not where we are. Heck we haven't even got rid of some of the legacy failures of LVG or Ole.

No more of long term project nonsense. We need results asap.

All of the successful teams these days employ long term visions. The idea that we would be beyond that is laughable. Especially since we afforded ourselves the luxury of making a decade full of bad decisions.

It’s a flawed system because if this. The 3 CBs and WBs are the most important players in it and we are way off with the players we have. Given how poorly we’ve recruited so far, we ain’t getting 2 decent WB anytime soon either.

I swear, at this point I've seen every single position in a "is the most important position in it" post... The system isn't flawed at all, the execution is. We struggle to assert control because we aren't comfortable on the ball as a team. It has nothing to do with the formation or whether Dalot or Dorgu aren't attacking enough (a notion I would agree on).

 

[Shark]

Stick with Amorim for now and see if he can sort this out. We can use the rest of the season to evaluate different options. Things like Tuchel or Nagelsmann winning the WC or De zerbi winning Ligue 1 or Glasner or Iraola in top 6 could easily make any of these coaches top choices. There’s also Alonso who may not even be in Madrid by the end of the season

What is there to sort? the man won't change a single thing.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

Until we get rid of the majority of players like Dalot, Shaw, Dorgu, Maguire, Casemiro, Mount, Ugarte and yes Bruno. It wont matter who we bring in.

Until those players go and get replaced with then new batch who aren’t as good as the current. Just like Mctominay etc.

 

[FromTheBench]

And he couldn't sustain it and bombed shortly after. I have nothing against Conte but he isn't a smart choice at all and while he will be able to find a working way, he won't care about midterm development. Thats fine if you have the future mostly sorted out, that enables you to allow a manager some short-term-thinking but thats not where we are. Heck we haven't even got rid of some of the legacy failures of LVG or Ole.

All of the successful teams these days employ long term visions. The idea that we would be beyond that is laughable. Especially since we afforded ourselves the luxury of making a decade full of bad decisions.

Even Conte's bombing was much better than us.

And we need results with long term building alongside.

No successful club settles for writing season after season like this in relegation form. Infact Real are considering sacking Alonso despite being top it seems. Look at even Chelsea. Hell even Nottingham forest sacked their way to some form.

 

[NZT-One]

Until those players go and get replaced with then new batch who aren’t as good as the current. Just like Mctominay etc.

This is the exact thing that drags the club down - thinking in two dimensions good and bad. No wonder, we haven't had any sort of overarching plan in the last decade.

I am not married to the idea of sticking to Amorim but we shouldn't kid ourselves into thinking that Glasner or Iraeola would be the magic saviours since they are the exact same thing that Amorim was, when we brought him in.
We need a modern manager that commits to an attacking playstyle, that values the ball and asserting control. Yes, a pragmatic manager that continues with Ole ball, setting us up deep and compact and then goes for transitions and hope-for-the-best would stabilize results faster but thats what we are doing in the last weeks anyways and it isn't what prevents games like yesterday.

 

[NZT-One]

And we need results with long term building alongside.

I agree, it should go hand in hand but not one at the total cost of the other.

No successful club settles for writing season after season like this in relegation form. Infact Real are considering sacking Alonso despite being top it seems. Look at even Chelsea. Hell even Nottingham forest sacked their way to some form.

The current season was a season where we set up for a bigger leap anyways so it isn't as if I am now starting to write off the season. Also I am not against exchanging managers but the clubs you mention are structured better than us so the manager isn't as big of "thing" as it is with us. I mean, maybe thats outdated and we can switch without serious dents in the continuity aspect but we shouldn't act as if this would be a sure thing.

 

[TheNewEra]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

 

[Pav1878]

It was a dreaful performance, but my take is this is extremely knee jerk. Our best players had bad games and the players we know to know to be not good enough, proved that. If you strip out our aggressive forwards in Cunha and Sesko and play a defensive wingback in Mazraoui, it's not really a surprise we struggled to create much. Roy Keane regularly brings this up, but it's a team game. You're allowed a bad game, but your team mates should be able to cover or bring you back up. Too many drifters in this squad looking for someone else to make the difference.

I agree there are too many drifters in the squad and not enough grifters. But Maz is not a defensive wingback and Sesko is not an aggressive forward

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

its not just yesterday though is it? It’s the managers inflexibility to change things when it isn’t working. That’s the most worrying thing. He still had a lot of support before last night but it seems he has lost the vast majority of the fan base now.

 

[soapythecat]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

We hardly got out of our half when they had 11 players on the pitch. Yesterday’s stats only highlight how poor his system is, rather than support it.
It’s not a player problem, it’s a problem of playing players in the wrong positions.

 

[massey]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

I'm convinced amorim has his own type of hasbara operation on redcafe after these types of posts.

 

[Telsim]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

Holy moly, we had more SofaScore stats than 10-men Everton at Old Trafford!? That's it, offer him a 10-year contract!

Unfortunately, football isn't played on a little spreadsheet. And what was actually shown on the pitch was utter shit that no amount of investment and time will fix.

Anyway, for me it's Southgate. Not exactly the glamorous choice, but a stable one.

 

[GreatDane]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

There's a big difference between challenging for the league or sitting midtable after finishing 15th last season.
Our squad is better that the league position and that's on the manager.

 

[M Bison]

I just dont get it with him, i really want him to succeed and he's had far more leeway than any other manager in the post-SAF era but its just not working. He's not done a single thing to improve us or made any player better and there's no signs its every going to change. I'd have removed him after Grimsby if it had been my decision.

The treatment of Kobbie is unforgiveable too, cant and wont ever accept his drop off since Amorim came in.

 

[SungSam7]

I'm just can't get my head around a guy who just bases his tactics on one system. It's like the guy is just playing FM and simulating the season.

Yeah SAF liked his 442. But he had other systems throughout the years. This guy seems to think he's found some cheat in the world of football and that is 3421. It's remarkable, or basically insane.

 

[TheNewEra]

I'm convinced amorim has his own type of hasbara operation on redcafe after these types of posts.

Bring any manager you want in right now, the problem won't go away.

 

[MaMa given red]

Holy moly, we had more SofaScore stats than 10-men Everton at Old Trafford!? That's it, offer him a 10-year contract!

Unfortunately, football isn't played on a little spreadsheet. And what was actually shown on the pitch was utter shit that no amount of investment and time will fix.

Anyway, for me it's Southgate. Not exactly the glamorous choice, but a stable one.

Southgate as in Gareth Southgate???

How would that be an improvement on Amorim?

 

[Lash]

I agree there are too many drifters in the squad and not enough grifters. But Maz is not a defensive wingback and Sesko is not an aggressive forward

its not just yesterday though is it? It’s the managers inflexibility to change things when it isn’t working. That’s the most worrying thing. He still had a lot of support before last night but it seems he has lost the vast majority of the fan base now.

I think he is a much better wide CB, he's not got the physicality to get up the pitch or round players. Sesko's not a presser, but he is physical and an aerial presence - which was what I was getting at.

 

[Nickelodeon]

I just dont get it with him, i really want him to succeed and he's had far more leeway than any other manager in the post-SAF era but its just not working. He's not done a single thing to improve us or made any player better and there's no signs its every going to change. I'd have removed him after Grimsby if it had been my decision.

The treatment of Kobbie is unforgiveable too, cant and wont ever accept his drop off since Amorim came in.

Don't think he looks better than Ugarte when given the chance. He was as cowardly and clueless as the rest of them when he came on last night.

 

[soapythecat]

I don’t get the Eddie Howe hype. I’d say he’s underachieving with Newcastle.

Agreed. Never seen anything in Eddie Howe that I feel he would improve us much. He's better than Amorim for sure, but I think Daniel Farke would do a better job with this squad.

 

[TheNewEra]

Holy moly, we had more SofaScore stats than 10-men Everton at Old Trafford!? That's it, offer him a 10-year contract!

Unfortunately, football isn't played on a little spreadsheet. And what was actually shown on the pitch was utter shit that no amount of investment and time will fix.

Anyway, for me it's Southgate. Not exactly the glamorous choice, but a stable one.

Data governs pretty much every decision in orgs now including sports.

If we had higher XG, higher possession, more shots than the opposition then we should have won regardless.

The reason we didn't win was A) Pickford had a brilliant game in goal, and B) Zirzkee wasn't more clinical.

We had big chances and the most big chances missed in the game.

We must have the most reactionary fan base in the world.

I remember out 07-8 United playing Blackburn and Brad Friedel turned into Neo.

Sometimes the goalkeeper just seems to have an unbelievable performance.

I know there seemed a lack of urgency but we should have won the game. Regardless of Amorims or the players, our chances we should have done better with. And that for me falls on the #9.

If you can't use stats to look at the game objectively then I don't know what to tell you, data is about informing decisions not clinging to bias and push agendas.

And fyi I'm not even looking at Sofascore I'm looking at the actual game stats.

I'm glad our football side isn't as knee jerk as our fan base or we would be going nowhere.

 

[massey]

Bring any manager you want in right now, the problem won't go away.

What problem 34 points in 34 games or not being able to get a result against ten man everton for 77 mins plus added time,guys been given time,money and more excuses than anyone. A championship manager would get more out of this team than amofraud..

 

[RedRocket9908]

Bring any manager you want in right now, the problem won't go away.

There are managers out there that would have the team playing much better football and loads that would have managed to get us to score a goal in over an hour against a 10 man Everton side at home.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Somebody who can actually win us the league or at least challenge for it. We should avoid Emery, Glasner, Howe, Iraola, and Silva.

Until we get rid of the majority of players like Dalot, Shaw, Dorgu, Maguire, Casemiro, Mount, Ugarte and yes Bruno. It wont matter who we bring in.

This. We have way too many shit players. Nobody can succeed with them.

What problem 34 points in 34 games or not being able to get a result against ten man everton for 77 mins plus added time,guys been given time,money and more excuses than anyone. A championship manager would get more out of this team than amofraud..

He’s right. The problems go way deeper than the manager.

 

[Oranges038]

Amorim, stop being so reactionary.

We lost yesterday because of drop off up top when our starting XI was awful.

We had more XG, more possession, more shots. Zirkzee isn't cut out for the league.

We need investment not a new manager.

2 years into a new footballing structure and people act like we should be challenging for the league now.

Having more of the ball and doing nothing with it is exactly what Everton wanted, they basically just let Yoro have it because they knew he'd just play it sideways.

The xg stuff is also a load of wank, Utd had 25+ shots, with 6 on target and xg was 1.6. It was because of loads of shots with low conversion rates, rather than being more dangerous in front of goal.

Not one clear cut goal scoring chance was created.

 

[Hud12]

Data governs pretty much every decision in orgs now including sports.

If we had higher XG, higher possession, more shots than the opposition then we should have won regardless.

The reason we didn't win was A) Pickford had a brilliant game in goal, and B) Zirzkee wasn't more clinical.

We had big chances and the most big chances missed in the game.

We must have the most reactionary fan base in the world.

I remember out 07-8 United playing Blackburn and Brad Friedel turned into Neo.

Sometimes the goalkeeper just seems to have an unbelievable performance.

I know there seemed a lack of urgency but we should have won the game. Regardless of Amorims or the players, our chances we should have done better with. And that for me falls on the #9.

If you can't use stats to look at the game objectively then I don't know what to tell you, data is about informing decisions not clinging to bias and push agendas.

And fyi I'm not even looking at Sofascore I'm looking at the actual game stats.

I'm glad our football side isn't as knee jerk as our fan base or we would be going nowhere.

There was 0.09 difference in XG the other week when Villa played Bournemouth, it was 4-0

It’s nonsense

 

[Raul Madrid]

This. We have way too many shit players. Nobody can succeed with them.

Do united though? Last year you got to EL final . Maybe your players are good enough but don't do it consistently enough for whatever reason. Maybe it is the manager who has issues with consistency but showed he is good and has talent by getting to the final.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Did this really require another thread? We have plenty next manager threads / Amorim out threads already

 

[TheNewEra]

Having more of the ball and doing nothing with it is exactly what Everton wanted, they basically just let Yoro have it because they knew he'd just play it sideways.

The xg stuff is also a load of wank, Utd had 25+ shots, with 6 on target and xg was 1.6. It was because of loads of shots with low conversion rates, rather than being more dangerous in front of goal.

Not one clear cut goal scoring chance was created.

Hence the same point we missed Cunha and Sesko.

What was our problem last year? goals.

What happens when the players we bought this summer are missing? we lack goals.

We need a back up #9 and cover for the front positions with a midfielder 100%.

If Sesko and Cunha played yesterday we'd have won the game.

Let's say City only have Foden, Haaland and Silva and 2 get injured. Are they likely to win the game? probably not.

 

[Scandi Red]

Whoever comes next is an interim, unless Amorim somehow makes it to the summer.

 

[André Dominguez]

Laurent Blanc as caretaker until the end of the season: knows the club, has a great respect from the players and his manager CV is not that bad.

 

[sp_cgb]

Exciting times. Xg title contenders and back to needing a full team of superstars to beat Everton at home.

Never question, never doubt. 3 more years. Amorim did nothing wrong.



Nagelsmann is the one Ineos wanted. Tuchel would've done well too, if Jim would've done his job the summer before last. From the Premier League you look at Iraola and Glasner. In a pinch I'd even consider Howe at this point. There's enough managers out there with suitable credentials. It's not an impossible task.

 

[2 man midfield]

Simeone

 

[Telsim]

Southgate as in Gareth Southgate???

How would that be an improvement on Amorim?

We've tried the big name, the club legend, the hipster choice. We've gone nowhere but further down. Perhaps going back to basics is the way. Southgate did an admirable job with England. He would bring a sort of stability. The football would be horrible, yes, and I doubt we'd be winning any trophies, but he'd make United difficult to score against while helping to build a solid foundation. Another name I'd pick is Simeone, but he'd want to come here first and he also won't come cheap. But I'd call Southgate first.

I also believe the names being thrown around, like Glasner and Iraola, would just crash and burn the same way Ten Hag and Amorim did, even with their Premier League experience.

One thing is certain though - Amorim must go.

 

[cpresc]

I don't even care. Just no more 5 at the back when we're at home 0-1 down against a 10 man Everton.