I am aware sir, but the fallouts at both Chelsea and Spurs and his somewhat peculiar ways gives me pause.
His credentials are top notch obviously.
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I am aware sir, but the fallouts at both Chelsea and Spurs and his somewhat peculiar ways gives me pause.
His credentials are top notch obviously.
Completely agree, I think we have a top 4-6 squad that's underperforming due to the manager.
I worry that Liverpool will sack Slot and go for the only obvious candidate, Iraola. We can still save the season but must act now.
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I don't understand.
Klopp and Pep came in to the PL with no PL experience and dominated for years.
he knows midfield is important, too.
I think we’ll go for Emery next to be honest. Feels like the safe pair of hands.
Jurgen Klopp won one league title. It's the equivalent of what SAF would win in a bad day after a night binge drinking with his mates.
At City and at Liverpool success came top down. For example Klopp wanted Brandt but that was shot down by the administration who 'forced' Salah on him instead. On the other hand City bankrolled Pep's tuition in the EPL. He was allowed to buy as many players he wanted up until he understood how to win in the EPL. We lack that experienced structure and we also lack the unlimited funds City has to correct the manager's mistakes. Hence why we need someone who understands the EPL and can therefore hit the ground running while committing as little mistakes as possible.
Keeping Amorim is just a path to relegation right now. A year of being poorly set up and tactically outclassed will have a long term affect on these players - many showing signs of regression.
Ireola or Glasner as such obvious choices and tick all the boxes. We will drag this decision out until they have either signed new contracts or hired by Liverpool. This is ETH all over again and we all can see it.
Ireola or Glasner as such obvious choices and tick all the boxes. We will drag this decision out until they have either signed new contracts or hired by Liverpool. This is ETH all over again and we all can see it.
Surely Ancelotti is one we should try and go for if possible?
Edit: well I was thinking after WC. No good option now.
Edit: well I was thinking after WC. No good option now.
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He's about to take Brasil to the WC. He ain't going anywhere before the end of next summer.
Before that was Pellegrini, Mancini Conte, Ancelotti, mourinho. In fact if you look back the last 20 ish years, you are more likely to win the PL if your manager has not managed or played in the PL previously.
As crap as we were last season, we would’ve gone into CL places with a win on Monday. Yes we lost and yes we were shite and yes you could blame the shockingly low finish last season on him, but we’re clearly doing better than last season so this dragging us to relegation chat is boring.
Inside the prem Iraola, Glasner or Emery. I do not believe Glasner is wedded to his palace formation or counter attacking. He seems to adapt to the squad wherever he goes.
Outside of the prem - pray Luis Enrique wants a new challenge.
Break glass emergency - Poch, he had Chelsea ticking and climbing the table before the chop
Outside of the prem - pray Luis Enrique wants a new challenge.
Break glass emergency - Poch, he had Chelsea ticking and climbing the table before the chop
Ancelotti and Mourinho were the best managers of their generation. Conte did what he does best. He won a title and then he imploded. Mancini is a temu version of Conte, Pellegrini was a placeholder for Pep. All of them went at top clubs who had the football structure and the funds to back them up. If a young Pep fecked up with his FBs then he'll buy two other FBs in the summer. If he fecked up with the GK then they'll buy him a new GK in the summer. We still have Luke Shaw lingering around somewhere. I wonder if he'll finally turn into the new Maldini at this point.
United lack the money to survive a win-bust cycle that a Conte would bring or to let the manager figure out that the little Argentinian butcher he likes so much as CB will break if constantly played against the typical 6ft3 striker, the EPL typically has. We also lack the experienced football structure needed to tell the manager to sod off and focus solely on tactics. Hence why we need someone who understands the game and wouldn't waste tens of millions on players or tactics that would never work in the EPL.
I am not suggesting that we close the door on a foreign manager completely. For example Simone Inzaghi might do the trick for us. He had punched above his weight with two clubs on limited budget and a level of toxicity at par to ours showing ample adaptation in the process. What we can't do is to get the flavor of the month again ie someone who thinks his tactics made him the next SAF simply because he outmaneuvered NEC, Egersund or Rio Ave.
I get your point about Glasner's style.
But unless you don't think that Bournemouth and United are comparable clubs, having a comparable winning percentage at Bournemouth clearly is better.
We are 3 points better off this season as we were after 12 games last season. We've had a lot of luck and good fortune to get some of those wins and draws. We bought 2 of the best PL players from last season and are still crap. We were just above the relegation zone last season and are on course to finish just above it this season too. It's not boring, it's realistic.
I think to better understand our position we need to first understand how we got in the position we are in the first place.
- towards the end of his reign SAF had neither the funds nor the will to rebuild a new successful side. The Glazers were refinancing the debt while an overhaul of the squad would mean telling the likes of Scholes, Gaz and Giggs to basically retire. Thus he reverted to a cynical counter attacking style of football. It was ugly but effective since most of the clubs still wanted to win game (these days many are happy to play deep and get a point) and it took the best out of this ageing squad
- SAF brought in Moyes who was a master of counterattacking football. Yet Moyes wanted his men which meant sacking the few people left who were experienced in winning. Moyes brand of football was a ridiculously inferior version of SAF's football hence we ended 7th
- LVG was brought in. The Dutch man understood that counterattacking football would get you so far and pushed for a radical change. Unfortunately the guy had no clue about the EPL and most of the players he brought lacked the physicality to do well in the EPL. Hence LVG tanked and Mou came to the club
- Mou reverted to a counter attacking style of football which got the best out of this team. Unfortunately by that time both Mou and counter attacking football was already on the wane. It could get you points and the odd trophy but it won't win you the big trophies. Ultimately Mou got sacked and Ole came in
- Ole came with swagger but he soon figured out that this side was built around counter attacking football, hence he embraced it. However as said before, counter attacking football won't win you the big trophies and when Ole tried to change the system, the entire building came down on him. The club at that point went for the flavor of the season
- ETH had no clue of how the EPL worked and quite frankly his transfer strategy should be investigated. He tried to implement his system but soon figured out that this squad wasn't capable to play that game and that there's a massive difference between beating NEC and going toe to toe against Liverpool. We know how that ended
- INEOS promised that it won't go for the flavor of the season ie someone whose system had only worked in a minor league and which would require a completely overhaul of the squad. They went for the flavor of the season, whose obsessed with a system which required a complete overhaul of the squad instead. He hit the same wall. This squad can play counter attacking football which is good against the big guns but would falter against those who play the same game against us but would be ripped into shreds once we try and play proper attacking football built on ball possession. We struggle to break a team playing a low block.
So what we need is someone who is capable of utilizing counter attacking football but whose got the experience or at least the tactical know on how to transition to better football. Inzaghi can do that and I believe Emery can do it as well
- towards the end of his reign SAF had neither the funds nor the will to rebuild a new successful side. The Glazers were refinancing the debt while an overhaul of the squad would mean telling the likes of Scholes, Gaz and Giggs to basically retire. Thus he reverted to a cynical counter attacking style of football. It was ugly but effective since most of the clubs still wanted to win game (these days many are happy to play deep and get a point) and it took the best out of this ageing squad
- SAF brought in Moyes who was a master of counterattacking football. Yet Moyes wanted his men which meant sacking the few people left who were experienced in winning. Moyes brand of football was a ridiculously inferior version of SAF's football hence we ended 7th
- LVG was brought in. The Dutch man understood that counterattacking football would get you so far and pushed for a radical change. Unfortunately the guy had no clue about the EPL and most of the players he brought lacked the physicality to do well in the EPL. Hence LVG tanked and Mou came to the club
- Mou reverted to a counter attacking style of football which got the best out of this team. Unfortunately by that time both Mou and counter attacking football was already on the wane. It could get you points and the odd trophy but it won't win you the big trophies. Ultimately Mou got sacked and Ole came in
- Ole came with swagger but he soon figured out that this side was built around counter attacking football, hence he embraced it. However as said before, counter attacking football won't win you the big trophies and when Ole tried to change the system, the entire building came down on him. The club at that point went for the flavor of the season
- ETH had no clue of how the EPL worked and quite frankly his transfer strategy should be investigated. He tried to implement his system but soon figured out that this squad wasn't capable to play that game and that there's a massive difference between beating NEC and going toe to toe against Liverpool. We know how that ended
- INEOS promised that it won't go for the flavor of the season ie someone whose system had only worked in a minor league and which would require a completely overhaul of the squad. They went for the flavor of the season, whose obsessed with a system which required a complete overhaul of the squad instead. He hit the same wall. This squad can play counter attacking football which is good against the big guns but would falter against those who play the same game against us but would be ripped into shreds once we try and play proper attacking football built on ball possession. We struggle to break a team playing a low block.
So what we need is someone who is capable of utilizing counter attacking football but whose got the experience or at least the tactical know on how to transition to better football. Inzaghi can do that and I believe Emery can do it as well
He's got that aura about him hasnt he. I wouldnt be against this
No it's not. It's hyperbole.
Heart says Cesc Fàbregas or Adoni Iraola. Once bitten (twice if we categorize Ten Hag as a noob from the perspective of a major club?) never shy! 
Of the two, the latter is more realistic and would be more open to joining us if we approach him at the right time.
Anyway, regarding Fàbregas, Como play good, intense, somewhat vertically-oriented football and are presently 2nd in the Serie A for possession, 3rd for goal difference, 5th for goals scored, 2nd for goals conceded, 4th for progressive passes, and so forth. Not too shabby for relative upstarts.
Alonso had only coached Real Sociedad B before Bayern Leverkusen appointed him. Arteta had only assisted Pep Guardiola before Arsenal appointed him. A lot of times, experience does not matter all that much, relative to the person's ideas, coaching talent, perceptiveness, or ability to communicate clearly and withstand pressure.
Plus, Fàbregas is accustomed to Premier League football and the rigors associated with representing major teams.
https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/cesc-fabregas-tactics-como/
Head says someone more battle-hardened (and machiavellian?) However, that profile of coach is unlikely to be available until the summer. D'oh!
Of the two, the latter is more realistic and would be more open to joining us if we approach him at the right time.
Anyway, regarding Fàbregas, Como play good, intense, somewhat vertically-oriented football and are presently 2nd in the Serie A for possession, 3rd for goal difference, 5th for goals scored, 2nd for goals conceded, 4th for progressive passes, and so forth. Not too shabby for relative upstarts.
Alonso had only coached Real Sociedad B before Bayern Leverkusen appointed him. Arteta had only assisted Pep Guardiola before Arsenal appointed him. A lot of times, experience does not matter all that much, relative to the person's ideas, coaching talent, perceptiveness, or ability to communicate clearly and withstand pressure.
Plus, Fàbregas is accustomed to Premier League football and the rigors associated with representing major teams.
https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/cesc-fabregas-tactics-como/
Head says someone more battle-hardened (and machiavellian?) However, that profile of coach is unlikely to be available until the summer. D'oh!
Just get Kiran McKenna. He’s clearly gone stagnant at Ipswich and from what he’s achieved who wouldn’t.
There not doing too bad in the championship and he knows the club and gets our DNA. It was good to hear Ole talk about him the other day as being a real student of the game.
It would also be the end of Bruno in a midfield 2. He profiles players correctly.
There not doing too bad in the championship and he knows the club and gets our DNA. It was good to hear Ole talk about him the other day as being a real student of the game.
It would also be the end of Bruno in a midfield 2. He profiles players correctly.
Como play possession football and we don't have the players to do that, and many fans hate it (not me).Heart says Cesc Fàbregas or Adoni Iraola. Once bitten (twice if we categorize Ten Hag as a noob from the perspective of a major club?) never shy!
Of the two, the latter is more realistic and would be more open to joining us if we approach him at the right time.
Anyway, regarding Fàbregas, Como play good, intense, somewhat vertically-oriented football and are presently 2nd in the Serie A for possession, 3rd for goal difference, 5th for goals scored, 2nd for goals conceded, 4th for progressive passes, and so forth. Not too shabby for relative upstarts.
Alonso had only coached Real Sociedad B before Bayern Leverkusen appointed him. Arteta had only assisted Pep Guardiola before Arsenal appointed him. A lot of times, experience does not matter all that much, relative to the person's ideas, coaching talent, perceptiveness, or ability to communicate clearly and withstand pressure.
Plus, Fàbregas is accustomed to Premier League football and the rigors associated with representing major teams.
https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/cesc-fabregas-tactics-como/
Head says someone more battle-hardened (and machiavellian?) However, that profile of coach is unlikely to be available until the summer. D'oh!
Keep Amorim, focus on players effort levels and adaptation of tactics. No matter what tacticle genious we get nothing will change if players keep turning out passive performances and risk free football.
Im certain this is not what amorim is asking them to do and more an issue with the players that were taking baby steps to address.
We have played well at times this season and we've been really poor in other games. I see little differences in the tactical deployment but its night and day in terms of adaptation from game to game. Thats on the guys on the field in my opinion.
Im certain this is not what amorim is asking them to do and more an issue with the players that were taking baby steps to address.
We have played well at times this season and we've been really poor in other games. I see little differences in the tactical deployment but its night and day in terms of adaptation from game to game. Thats on the guys on the field in my opinion.
Honestly I don't see them changing manager this season.
Having the right players on the end of the chances helps, outside of our starting XI our team's not good enough
EPL proven, Iraola or Glasner as both will be available if United come calling. Look at how fast Leverkusen sacked ETH compare to United. And they are winning with new manager. No point of keeping amorim as it shows in Everton game. Playing against 10 men at OT and still can't get a goal sum it all up. He is tactically weak. If a competent manager would have subs in 2-3 attacking players in. He's been here for a year now, anyone sees any improvement? did he improve current players? I think he make some of them worse like Mainoo
Yea, Zirkzee was pitiful. Our best 2 strikers were unavailable, it sucks. Many chances, no good finishes.
And once we’ve got that spirit back then what? We going to win the league with spirit? Eddie Howe is not the answer either.
I love these insightful opinions.
Let’s be honest 90% of the teams in our league have a team that’s not good enough.
It’s the same complaint with Solskjaer. Yes we can give him the greatest team of all time and then maybe then he’ll win the league. However we shouldn’t have to. It’s part of being a good manager.
Do you think 4th place Aston Villa wouldn’t mind Dalot, Mazarouri and Zirkzee? They only time they get player the level of Rashford and Sancho is on loan from clubs like us.
It should be a crime for Manchester United to not finish top 5 or not compete for a trophy. We have resources far greater than everyone in the league bar City and Chelsea.
I mean “what are we doing here”. Are we just trying to make the league entertaining by having people believe Manchester can be a midtable club.
Players can be signed and sold, though; our squad is by no means set in stone for the foreseeable future. We signed €250 million worth of players this summer alone. Signing players for a more possession-oriented style of football should not be an immovable obstacle for Manchester United (as long as our assessment processes are finetuned).
But amorims time is a great example, he's nowhere near with a squad that fits his style. It would take 2-3 summers to get a first 11 for possession football, nevermind a squad.
This is a good point. Amorim has the players to have us top 4 in my honest opinion (Zirkzee is shit though), good managers get the best out of their players and have them overachieving consistently. Obviously we need to upgrade players, but none of them should be losing to Everton AFTER they go down to 10 men. At Old Trafford, no less. Mind boggling.
In general, I cannot get over the fact we concede so many goals and constantly look defensively fragile, despite having more defenders on the pitch than the majority of the teams we play. This is a travesty. It's shit football at the best of times, but we just look like we're punching in a dream - absolutely toothless.
Something needs to click for Amorim, if we do not qualify for the Champions League it will have to be curtains. Naturally, I believe he should have been sacked yesterday.
In terms of replacements, I'd fancy De Zerbi. Is doing well with Marseille and I liked his Brighton team. Feel like he's gettable as well.
He'll be almost 70 years old by then
When Afcon comes we'll be fecked then because our most effective players will be gone and one whole side of the pitch, we'll be lucky to be top half by then if we can't cope with more than 2 injuries at a time
You can argue Watkins has been better than both, or maybe you are being sarcastic.
We will be 100% fecked yes.
You’re overlooking my point. Yes Watkins is better than Zirkzee but that’s all they have. Imagine having to play Digne and Matty Cash at Fullback with Tielemans and Onana CM.
We would be on here losing our shite if Amorim had those players whilst we sat 11th in the league. But because it doesn’t fit the narrative that’s he’s just a crap manager.. we revert back to saying we need an overhaul. How many overhauls do we need until we understand if the manager isn’t fit for purpose it doesn’t matter.
He’s only going to get a new set of players to end up getting sacked and then we give the new manager the same excuse.
If you cannot revamp the team whilst also have acceptably results this shouldn’t be the job for you. He’s worse than Ragnick and he was basically a substitute teacher.
Who cares if he falls out in 2/3 years.
Atleast he will have us challenging.
Not like other managers are lasting more and that too without any sucess.
Emery is doing amazingly well for Villa after their poor start early on in the season. He has to be a candidate for this job.
After Jim's 3 year timeline has elapsed of course.
After Jim's 3 year timeline has elapsed of course.
and we're supposed to be moving away from building squads tailored to the needs of the managers 'idea'.