It was reported that we held talks with Tuchel while Ten Hag was here. At that time United briefed that they opt not too proceed but there were also reports it was Tuchel who said no due to disagree ment on transfers. Wonder if he is even considered this time.
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If we are talking interim, then I hope it is the PSG 1-3 Manchester United Ole as opposed to the Watford 4-1 Manchester United Ole.
I’ve felt like this for every manager since Moyes. I’d love to see him manage United. A proper, proper manager.
Da feck are you talking about? 80% of Ajax fans loved him and the other 20% reluctantly stated they didn't like his style of play but agreed it was what we needed. He brought much needed professionalism to the club and everyone misses him. Even most of the haters. Alex Kroes is the one almost lynched for letting him go so easily and replacing him with retarted Heitinga.
Is it not too late though? I feel like he is semi-retired and he is pretty old now. I feel like it would just go the way of Jose and people will convince themselves we are cursed rather than we hired a coach towards the end of their time.
Tomorrow's FA Cup game will, I think, be massive in terms of what we do.
If we lose, then there may be a feeling that brining in a caretaker won't give us the "bounce" that is required.
Way too much at stake with 17 PL games to go than to leave it in the hands of a caretaker, where standards could easily slip.
What are the people in charge thinking? I hope by bringing in a caretaker they have a good idea that they will be getting a top tier target over the summer.
If they end up with Glasner or Iraeoa, I would be angry that the club are just being cheap as it wouldn't cost too much to buy them out now.
If we lose, then there may be a feeling that brining in a caretaker won't give us the "bounce" that is required.
Way too much at stake with 17 PL games to go than to leave it in the hands of a caretaker, where standards could easily slip.
What are the people in charge thinking? I hope by bringing in a caretaker they have a good idea that they will be getting a top tier target over the summer.
If they end up with Glasner or Iraeoa, I would be angry that the club are just being cheap as it wouldn't cost too much to buy them out now.
Arsenal needed 2 own goals to beat wolves and needed penalty to score against Everton. City couldn’t break Sunderland’s defense. It’s just never easy to break the low block, the likes of arsenal and city also suffered.
Is Nagelsmann committed to Germany past the summer?
He extended it a year ago so it now ends after Euro 2028
Precisely. I think he would definitely have us way better than we are now, but ultimately fall short of fans expectations because he seems to be past his prime.
Keep in mind that even past his prime, I think he’d get us in Europe consistently.
I couldn’t believe what I was reading.yep, lets get Ange!
I can't believe I'm voting for this as I've never wanted him in previous times we needed a manager despite his reputation, but I think we should turn to conte.
He's a proven winner, wherever he's been (barring spurs). He also doesn't seem to suffer fools. Would complete the job Amorim started and clear out the players not fit for the shirt.
Biggest risk is he always seems to sign older players and he never lasts long. There's also question marks over his playing style, but given the managers available, he's who id want.
He's a proven winner, wherever he's been (barring spurs). He also doesn't seem to suffer fools. Would complete the job Amorim started and clear out the players not fit for the shirt.
Biggest risk is he always seems to sign older players and he never lasts long. There's also question marks over his playing style, but given the managers available, he's who id want.
Think it's plain negligent if we aren't asking his thoughts on managing this club, however when INEOS are so obsessed with PL proven I don't think they will even bother finding out.
Ancelotti is not done.
He was only just at Madrid.
He is with Brazil.
He’s 66, Fergie retired at 71.
O’Neill still has it at 73.
He is class, two to three year contract to end his career in style.
He’s the best coach around that would come. A proper manager.
He was only just at Madrid.
He is with Brazil.
He’s 66, Fergie retired at 71.
O’Neill still has it at 73.
He is class, two to three year contract to end his career in style.
He’s the best coach around that would come. A proper manager.
May have to remove Nagelsmann off list as didn't realise he has extended Germany contract to 2028. Still believe that he's young enough to manage us in the future provided he doesn't go to City or scousers. I also think @HTG makes a very valid point about him maybe not ready for another big club yet.
I hear Fletch speaking the last couple of days and it gets me thinking would outside managers that come in do a better job, that’s not certain.
On the other hand we are in danger to do the same we did with Ole when he was caretaker and we liked him. But managers from the outside like Amorim, Ten Hag, Mourinho and Van Gaal also didn’t do better.
Managers that did great at smaller clubs like Potter and Frank also failed at big clubs. Why would Ireola and Glasner, who both don’t have a great season, do better with us. Same goes for Silva.
Why would Tuchel and Nagelsman do better with us? They did some good jobs in their career but also a lot lesser jobs.
Conte is always a short term solution because he will always fallout with the club, he did everywhere.
Xavi is not experienced at all and didn’t do a remarkable job at Barcelona. He was champion of Spain but they also didn’t want to go on with him.
Ofcourse Luis Enrique or Ancelotti would be really great but they don’t seem realistic.
Maybe Emery or Hoeness could work out.
I don’t want the new next hot manager or someone implemeting something completely different at the club. I really liked Amorim and wanted him to succeed but at the same time it never felt completely right what he was doing at the club.
Maybe Fletch is the way forward, he has been around as a coach, or different roles, for the first team for five years now and learned a lot there. He knows the players and the club and has a lot of support inside the club. Maybe give him some really experienced assistants like Fergie always had. On the other we could lose big today or we could get in the Ole scenario that didn’t help us in the end, although those two years where the most enjoyable since Fergie.
On the other hand we are in danger to do the same we did with Ole when he was caretaker and we liked him. But managers from the outside like Amorim, Ten Hag, Mourinho and Van Gaal also didn’t do better.
Managers that did great at smaller clubs like Potter and Frank also failed at big clubs. Why would Ireola and Glasner, who both don’t have a great season, do better with us. Same goes for Silva.
Why would Tuchel and Nagelsman do better with us? They did some good jobs in their career but also a lot lesser jobs.
Conte is always a short term solution because he will always fallout with the club, he did everywhere.
Xavi is not experienced at all and didn’t do a remarkable job at Barcelona. He was champion of Spain but they also didn’t want to go on with him.
Ofcourse Luis Enrique or Ancelotti would be really great but they don’t seem realistic.
Maybe Emery or Hoeness could work out.
I don’t want the new next hot manager or someone implemeting something completely different at the club. I really liked Amorim and wanted him to succeed but at the same time it never felt completely right what he was doing at the club.
Maybe Fletch is the way forward, he has been around as a coach, or different roles, for the first team for five years now and learned a lot there. He knows the players and the club and has a lot of support inside the club. Maybe give him some really experienced assistants like Fergie always had. On the other we could lose big today or we could get in the Ole scenario that didn’t help us in the end, although those two years where the most enjoyable since Fergie.
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Unfortunately fletcher doesn’t have the experience especially of man management. With the press and of coaching in general. He needs to learn all these things and earn his stripes. Putting Cuhna on the right wing is an example. He was clearly thinking he’d spotted something every other manager has missed in Cuhna’s career. Trying ‘new things’. Not really what is needed. He’s been coaching Lacey he knows what he can do, surely a start for him could and would have been better.
Fletch might be an alright shout to finish the season, and given how the club operates on emotion more than anything, a lot of this hinges on how we fare in the FA cup tie against Brighton today.
Long term though, we need someone who is used to handling the pressures of Europe among a bunch of other things like managing first-team player egos. Maybe he's got it, maybe not, it would certainly be an experiment. I think he's a sharp guy and probably has the capability, but we never know if he's good enough to cut it as a top PL manager. Would make a great story, obviously, and I like how he's carried himself so far.
Compared to him people like Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Ancelotti or Conte have proven track records and stand somewhat of a chance to do well here. I'm not too optimistic myself.
The first and most important thing for Manchester United is that whoever the new coach/manager is he must make the team competitive again. Thats why i voted for Antonio Conte, who if he is backed enough can do it in short terms.. Then the club can turn to a more "proper" coach in a few years..
I wouldn't be surprised if Ineos have never heard of him. Ratcliffe and co bring bungling to a new level
I'm surprised Howe hasn't got more votes.
Glasner, Iraola, Ole, McKenna, Xavi, all with more votes than him.
If we can't get the very best I think he'd be a very solid appointment.
Glasner, Iraola, Ole, McKenna, Xavi, all with more votes than him.
If we can't get the very best I think he'd be a very solid appointment.
Style of play is going to large part in the recruitment, but it really shouldn't. It feels like such a recent phenomenon this idea that it's a virtue for managers to treat formations like tattoos. Completely inflexible either because they've been hired specifically to play a certain way and risk losing their job if they don't, or they're personally wedded to it.
"3 at the back 'til I die" as if they've a St George's flag painted on their beer belly, a shaved head and some numpty nearby playing a trumpet.
So many coaches seem unwilling to evolve, adapt or be flexible. That's led to so many clubs/technical directors to use that 'attribute' as someone they desire when recruiting. Very high on the list of criteria will be "Does his style of football we've arbitrarily decided we want to play with absolutely no evidence it suits the players we have, the young players we want to bring through or be suited to the opponents we face domestically or abroad?"
Too many people are too self-conscious about being found not being completely wedded to a single, rigid style of play.
"3 at the back 'til I die" as if they've a St George's flag painted on their beer belly, a shaved head and some numpty nearby playing a trumpet.
So many coaches seem unwilling to evolve, adapt or be flexible. That's led to so many clubs/technical directors to use that 'attribute' as someone they desire when recruiting. Very high on the list of criteria will be "Does his style of football we've arbitrarily decided we want to play with absolutely no evidence it suits the players we have, the young players we want to bring through or be suited to the opponents we face domestically or abroad?"
Too many people are too self-conscious about being found not being completely wedded to a single, rigid style of play.
Thanks for that, good post. Demonstrates differences between a Ten Hag/Amorim and De Zerbi.
I'm still all aboard the Carlo-in train, and would obviously love Enrique also (failing either of them, if we could magically get Emery but Emery just got Villa into the CL, more or less, and he's going to stick that out another season minimally imo with that board backing him to see if he can take them to the next level...).
Fletcher has handled himself well in the press, I‘m impressed with him. It will be the least of his problems.
Coaching wise he has shown he can make changes and influence a game, and got Šeško firing immediately.
I‘d also rather keep Fletch than bring in Ole to be interim. Let‘s see how today’s game goes.
He'd suffer them here
I voted Howe and would rather he came in now rather than waste time with caretakers. Howe knows the league and has improved players , I reckon he's ready to take on one of the big jobs now.
Didn't Ancelotti say something like he'd never manage Utd as it's too much pressure though?
We'll get a manager who we won't have to pay compensation for.
What‘s the deal with Ancelotti? His record is good obviously, but there are reports he‘s not a good trainer and does not give detailed tactical instructions.
He's also near 70 years old and has a job he'd been after for a while with Brazil I imagine he might see this as his last hurrah before retiring
Who are all these inflexible, rigid coaches so wedded to playing one formation and one style who have been specifically hired to play one way? It seems you are describing Amorim but nobody else comes to mind.
Be surprised if he did. He’s managed Madrid. They’re the only other team that are as big and you have pressure managing.
Ancelotti would be easy to get as he manages an international team. He’s also one of the best most flexible coaches. He’s played so many systems in his career and gets the best out of his players and star players
Gary Neville’s not on the poll?
We can't possibly be aiming that high.
I think there's an argument to be made that stripping it back to basics might work quite well. Our best football post Ferguson came under Ole, who everybody dismissed as a tactician. Then our last two appointments were brought in for their footballing philosophies at Ajax and Sporting, but they're both up there as some of the worst appointments we've made since 2014.
I don't know if Ancelotti would necessarily be my number one pick but he's about as decorated as they come, can handle the pressure of managing huge clubs and has worked under some real lunatics in the past with no fuss. That track record should see him pretty close to the top of the list, and even if he's not as hands on with the coaching, I'm sure he'd have his own staff who do those things for him. It possibly leaves some spots open for people like Fletcher to work under him as well, if the club wants to go in that direction.
That’s how it would have to work, but I have serious reservations about hiring that type of coach.
Our squad sadly doesn’t have the pedigree of a Real Madrid and needs all the help it can get.
Expecting it to
work here is wishful thinking.
Ancelotti honours.
3x CL with Madrid.
2x CL with AC Milan
3x fifa world club cups
4x Worlds best coach
League titles in Spain, France, England, Germany, Italy
Domestic cups in all those countries too.
He’s also 66 not 70.
Can he handle the pressure having managed AC Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid (twice)
Chelsea, Bayern Munich and PSG (amongst others)?
3x CL with Madrid.
2x CL with AC Milan
3x fifa world club cups
4x Worlds best coach
League titles in Spain, France, England, Germany, Italy
Domestic cups in all those countries too.
He’s also 66 not 70.
Can he handle the pressure having managed AC Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid (twice)
Chelsea, Bayern Munich and PSG (amongst others)?
I understood wanting those kinds of coaches when the competition at the top of the league was peak Pep at City and Klopp at Liverpool. I'm not sure it's as important right now with the way the league is going. There's a lot more emphasis on physicality, and the trends are that teams are relying a lot more on marginal gains. Set pieces are really important right now and even long throws have made a comeback when 15 years ago there was a snobbish attitude towards the teams who made them an important part of their game plan.
The Arsenal team top of the league at the moment isn't even spectacular, they're there because they're defensively organised and good at set pieces, for the most part. A stable coach who keeps it simple might stand a better chance than taking a punt on one of the tacticos. Enrique's the only outstanding coach in that regard anyway, and unlikely to be available.